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Deleted User 137586
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
edit: oh, it seems like motherboards for xeons are pretty expensive edit2: or not, i'm confused, do you, or do you not need a special socket for them, other than intel 1150? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
You don't need a special heat-sink. You don't need a special motherboard, but you might want to look up if the motherboard officially mentions support. I don't know if confirming that it is supported is important in this case. The BIOS needs to come with microcode that gets loaded into the CPU at start up, but those Xeon E3 are really pretty much i5/i7 on the inside. The Xeon CPUs support unbuffered ECC RAM. The price for those memory sticks was not excessive the last time I looked, so that might be interesting to look into. Consumer boards never mention if this will work or not, but it might just be on the CPU, board not involved really. ECC for memory is interesting because cosmic rays can hit atoms and flip bits several times per year. This is not a joke. Google found this quote for example: "IBM estimated in 1996 that one error per month per 256 MiB of ram was expected for a desktop computer." EDIT: That ECC memory idea probably does not work in a normal motherboard. It seems you need one with C222 chipset instead of B85/H81/H87, and those boards are about 200 €. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Also the E3-1230 v3 is extremely attractive price wise compared to an i5-4670. $30 for -100Mhz and +HT? All day baby. E: Oh and I'm 95% sure Xeons' are soldered. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
On January 25 2014 21:35 Noizhende wrote: While searching for parts for my new pc i stumbled upon intel Xeon processors. What do you guys think of getting one of these compared to i5 ? also what motherboard/heatsink would i need? edit: oh, it seems like motherboards for xeons are pretty expensive edit2: or not, i'm confused, do you, or do you not need a special socket for them, other than intel 1150? There are some Xeons that are true server-based CPUs on an entirely different platform & that aren't really applicable for t he casual computer. There are some other Xeons that are basically slightly slow i7s (also usually significantly cheaper than i7s) which fit on standard 1150 motherboards. Or older mobos for older Xeons. By slow i7s, I mean most of these ordinary Xeons are four cores, with hyperthreading, locked (no overclocking), and with a slower base clock than an i7-4770. Getting one of those instead of an i5 is reasonable if you're in a budget-limited situation, don't intend to overclock, and can use the hyperthreading. Otherwise you're better off with an i5, which will get you faster core clock speeds for less money. (Or a lot faster clock speeds for a little more money with overclocking.) You wouldn't need a heatsink other than the stock Intel one (no overclocking). You'd use a cheap B85 mobo, most likely. | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
To follow up on what Ropid said: the XFX Core 450w will work just fine, there's no quality problems with that unit. | ||
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Noizhende
Austria328 Posts
So the question is if i can use the HT, probably not. I'll stick to an i5 4670k then, and get an ASRock Z87 Pro4. Also that bit about the ECC memory is pretty interesting, but i don't do important enough stuff on the pc to make that a good investment :D | ||
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Deleted User 137586
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On January 25 2014 22:25 MisterFred wrote: @ Ghanburighan To follow up on what Ropid said: the XFX Core 450w will work just fine, there's no quality problems with that unit. Thanks! | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
CPU Ram I figure any 1.5 volt ram will do on a budget. GFX HDD: standard 2TB HDD HDD PSU Use this myself and should have enough juice to run this. MOBO Honestly I wasnt sure on the best motherboard for value. Could probably go Micro ATX, and I should note he will want to overclock in the future. Case: This is up to him but can anyone recommend a good mid tower case? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 26 2014 03:16 nosliw wrote: I finished my build of B75 chipset with i5-3550 and I notice the memory is only running at 1333. It was advertised to run at 1600. How do I change? Go into BIOS, look for DDR3-1333MHz or something and change it to 1600MHz. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 26 2014 03:23 Dunmer wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So my friend has a budget of about £500 and is looking a gaming pc to basically play Skyrim/Bioshock infinite and stuff like rome 2 etc on very high or maxed. I had this list in mine but just double checking everything is good and that I am not skimping out on anything or over doing something. I was thinking of getting the i5-2500k but its quite expensive. CPU Ram I figure any 1.5 volt ram will do on a budget. GFX HDD: standard 2TB HDD HDD PSU Use this myself and should have enough juice to run this. MOBO Honestly I wasnt sure on the best motherboard for value. Could probably go Micro ATX, and I should note he will want to overclock in the future. Case: This is up to him but can anyone recommend a good mid tower case? P67 is really old and probably isn't a good choice unless it's significantly less expensive than Z68 and Z77 boards. If you're buying a 6 series board, you also need to ensure that it supports Ivybridge (core i5 3570k) out of the box. You also need an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. | ||
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nosliw
United States2716 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
On January 26 2014 03:41 skyR wrote: P67 is really old and probably isn't a good choice unless it's significantly less expensive than Z68 and Z77 boards. If you're buying a 6 series board, you also need to ensure that it supports Ivybridge (core i5 3570k) out of the box. You also need an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. Yeah your right I can just use a Z77 for pretty much the same price, found this one that supports ivy-bridge and has all the slots he will ever need. Here CPU and has for an aftermarket cooler, I was thinking of just using the stock cooler until he actually overclocks which wont be for a year or so when he actually needs to do it. Thanks Actually figured I could just get this for the a bit cheaper Haswell CPU and then this Motherboard to fit Mobo | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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wptlzkwjd
Canada1240 Posts
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
First off, expectations. The games you listed (well basically Rome 2: Total War) are VERY demanding. You probably can't run it maxxed reliably with your budget. Even with a near unlimited budget Rome 2 can bring computers to their knees if you demand high graphics settings AND high FPS. That's not to say you can't get close most of the time, of course. Second, the RAM kit you selected is 2x2gb. Just making sure you're aware of that. 4gb will run games fine, but I find 4gb of RAM can occasionally be annoying when trying to quickly switch between multiple RAM-demanding programs. The Haswell & Z87 option you linked is bad. Because the Haswell CPU is locked (can't be overclocked - you can tell by the lack of the K on the name). So if you wanted to overclock, not so good. If you didn't care about overclocking, get a cheaper B85/H81/H87 mobo. PSU, good choice. Case. I haven't been keeping up on them. But for budget bare-bones (yet quite serviceable), you can go with the Bit Fenix Merc Beta. I have the merc alpha and I can assure you it's a box with neither glaring weaknesses nor notable strengths. I suspend my HDD with an elastic to reduce noise though, so it's possible the case might be vulnerable to magnifying HDD vibrations without me knowing it. If you go mATX, I think the fractal design core 1000 is the standard best budget option. For GPU, you might consider something for a few quid more with better fans or even a 7870. I didn't look around the UK for the best deals (not a bad idea, sometimes aria.co.ok or even overclockers.co.uk beat amazon), but: http://www.amazon.co.uk/GeForce-DirectCU-Graphics-Express-Surround/dp/B00D7SC3O8/ref=sr_1_5?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1390684649&sr=1-5&keywords=gtx 660 http://www.amazon.co.uk/MSI-R7870-DDR5-PCI-E-Graphics/dp/B009OUYFBC/ref=sr_1_9?s=computers&ie=UTF8&qid=1390684699&sr=1-9&keywords=AMD 7870 | ||
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Dunmer
United Kingdom568 Posts
I'll just stick to the 3750K and get a Z77 motherboard. Thanks guys | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20341 Posts
E: Oh and I'm 95% sure Xeons' are soldered. I don't think so - not the quad cores at least + Show Spoiler + Haswell die looks like this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/4Ik1YKwl.jpg) The only 22nm CPU's to be soldered look like this: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/y3mBOPwl.jpg) Rumor is it's down to heat density and shape of the die having problems with it - and intel was just unwilling to mass-produce and ship CPU's without IHS's attached when they ran into the issue, etc. Ivy bridge was just a die shrink of sandy; haswell was very very close to it and focused on other changes, so i still have a little hope that the issue will be dealt with for less extreme overclockers All of AMD's designs are square-die too, or much much closer, anyway. Kaveri: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/VHEoK8C.jpg) 4-module-8-thread fx8350: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/CobGFzzl.jpg) | ||
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