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On January 22 2014 12:36 nosliw wrote:
oh... I thought extra volt -> more speed. The correct understanding would be more volt more heat and stress on CPU?
You turn up the CPU speed and stabilize it by turning up the voltage. Turning up the voltage without turning up the CPU speed just increases the heat and stress on the CPU for no reason.
On January 22 2014 12:26 icystorage wrote:
okay. sorry for the noob questions.
so is the integrated graphics enough?
What are you running? If it's SC2, then you should probably consider buying an Intel processor. Even though the APU on AMD processor will be enough to run the game at medium settings, you'll still be bottle-necked by the AMD CPU past early-mid game.
On January 22 2014 13:20 DnCL wrote:I'd like your opinion on this: I want something light and small to take notes in class. Tought about a cheap (100$) tablet + silicone foldable keyboard as the solution. I prefer this to a laptop because it's lighter, seems cheaper or comparable, and very small size laptops seem to have annoying keyboards, so I would need an external keyboard anyway. (I have huge fingers) I really just want: - Google Docs or Open Office or equivalent - a screen of at least 7'' - keyboard - What OS should I look for ? Is there some OS on wich I would simply not be able to install either google docs or open office ? - Would these 2 items fill the intended purpose, or there is something I'm missing ? Tablet with port Rollable Keyboard- Is there anything else I'm missing that could make this not work ?
The problem you have here is that, for $100 you won't be getting very good equipment. You can take notes on a tablet with a keyboard sure, but they most likely won't come with a pen if you have to draw something or have the sensitivity for you to make adjustments to your notes (like inserting a word between a sentence and using your finger to point to that place).
It would be extremely frustrating IMO. I'd suggest a Windows Surface Pro because it has a pen and runs full Windows 8.1 but the price is like $700 CAD at the least.
If you can't afford something like that, I would really recommend just using pen and paper. You can copy these notes into your laptop which serves both as a studying tool and a quick reference for when you're reviewing for exams.
On January 22 2014 17:33 DnCL wrote:
@ MisterFred
Thanks for reminding me all the good things about paper notes, but even being aware of them, I still want to make the switch.
So the question stays: Is it possible to do what I want with a tablet ?
Yes, but you will have an extremely hard time doing so (and far more frustrating). You would essentially be spending money to make note taking harder and slower.
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um dota 2, skyrim and call of duty
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@dncl
Can you? Sure. I see people all take notes on tablets with add-on keyboard covers all the time. Unfortunately, this will be an unhelpful post, as I'm not familiar with tablet technology. Good luck.
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@icystorage
Well, I'm not entirely sure how things will go. But basically Dota 2 should run fine (none of the MOBAs seem to have high CPU or GPU requirements). Skyrim will run ok on lower graphics settings, but you won't be as impressed as with a better GPU. You might get occasional dips in FPS due to CPU in heavily populated cities, but that's where you won't really care. Call of Duty: probably the same as skyrim? Don't really know.
But yeah, all three games will be playable on some sort of graphics settings on an APU.
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thanks for responding! 
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Hello, I have a build for my brother that I thought maybe you guys could help me with. I'm looking to get high-ultra settings in BF4 @ 1080p. His budget is ~$700 USD. We don't need a case.
PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2CFwS
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2CFwS/by_merchant/
Benchmarks: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/2CFwS/benchmarks/
CPU: Intel Core i5-3570 3.4GHz Quad-Core Processor ($209.99 @ Newegg)
Motherboard: ASRock Z75 Pro3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($76.99 @ Newegg)
Memory: G.Skill Sniper 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($84.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($59.67 @ Amazon)
Video Card: MSI GeForce GTX 760 2GB Video Card ($249.99 @ Newegg)
Power Supply: EVGA 500W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($44.61 @ B&H)
Total: $711.24
(Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available.)
(Generated by PCPartPicker 2014-01-22 19:24 EST-0500)
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Hey, Chapes, you missed the release of a newer generation of Intel stuff. They release something new every single year like clockwork. Look at parts using the LGA1150 socket. The CPUs are named i5-4xxx and the boards are using Z87/H87/H81/B85 chipset.
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Hello Ropid, thank you for the quick reply. Can't believe I didn't even notice a new generation was released. I guess I'll go with the i5-4570 instead. Also, is there are motherboard you recommend? Do the MSI B85-G41 PC Mate or ASRock B85M Pro4 seem like a reasonable choice? Thanks.
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I would choose the ASRock, but I mostly simply looked at the pictures of the boards. I may also be biased because I once had an ASRock board which worked well, did not have issues in normal use.
What seems to be a real difference is the networking being by Intel on that B85M Pro4 board instead of Realtek on the B85-G41. The audio chip also seems to be better.
I also like that it's mATX instead of ATX. This opens up the options regarding case choice a little. You can look at both ATX and mATX cases, which might be neat to save a bit of money.
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On January 22 2014 13:49 Cyro wrote:Can't brain atm but i just closed this 5 minutes ago: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313398better RAM also $18 cheaper (but shipping cost is a thing) You can't actually higher than ~1600mhz clock speed on them without z87, but hey - it's literally like cheaper than any of the 1600 kits lol
Thanks, but with shipping and tax, comes to $88.68 which isn't really better when I can pick up everything from Canada Computers.
Wish I had gotten home sooner, would have been able to see this and swing by in time to grab a white one. Although, I was actually looking at the Nvidia version, and not listed at NCIX. Other than the branding, it has a window instead of the mesh on the side. Thanks though.
As for my video card concerns, what are your thoughts?
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United Kingdom20345 Posts
for performance, 660 vs 760 - 20% more cores, 33% more memory bandwidth (@same memory clocks) on the 760 so if you really have to pay ~36% more for a similar aftermarket 760, it's obviously worse performance per dollar, but higher performance. 760 has GPU boost 2.0, so i'd expect it to clock a bit higher too on the cores (unless you're an experienced overclocker then you can probably bypass that somehow..) but that's probably not a massive deal - it's doubtful that it would pay for itself in perf/$
Both cards will support shadowplay etc - which recently got updated to allow for a range of recording options from ~480p30 to 1080p60, with a bitrate slider for ~10-50mbits - there seems to be some other rate control involved behind the scenes, so it's more like ~4mbit to ~55mbit, and sweet spot is ~720p60@10mbit imo (or 20.. or 1080p60@50mbit if you have sick internet and too much time :D)
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Thanx for your opinions, helps out.
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SSD
Considering buying this as it's a 48 hour deal for 71$. Good product? Good value?
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United States9452 Posts
It's another one of those second-gen SandForce drives that had so many problems a couple years back. Performance is fine on client workloads (at 120 GB capacity, sequential writes won't be great on uncompressible data). Anyhow, a 120 GB SSD for $71 is a good value unless it's an ancient model (it's not) or it's not working.
Lately, you hear much fewer complaints, but that could easily be the fact that people are mostly buying other SSDs these days. I'm not sure what the firmware story is on non-Intel SandForce drives these days, but I think it's fine, though the bigger part may just be people not buying the SandForce SSDs so much anymore, as mentioned just above.
Personally I'd rather spend a little extra on Crucial M500:
http://www.amazon.com/Crucial-2-5-Inch-adapter-Internal-CT120M500SSD1/dp/B00BQ4F9ZA
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Hey guys. Yall helped me build a PC 3 years ago and I'm looking to build a new one. Not planning on recycling much, except the CD/DVD drive, the OS, the monitors and peripherals and the capture card (avermedia live gamer HD).
What is your budget?
Non-issue.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Whatever tickles my fancy, ranging from BF4 to hearthstone. Always max settings
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Autocad Civil 3D. Streaming PS3 and PC games.
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Don't need
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I prefer Nvidia because... brand loyalty? Eff if I know.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Memory Express. Willing to go with NCIX if better.
So a little more. I am looking to buy an excessive system because lol expendable income. Not... overly excessive that you are paying so much more for tiny gain, but more top end than I might necessarily need. I've picked a few parts pretty... preliminary. The price has come to about $1450, before looking for price matches. List as follows.
Intel Core I7-4770k................. $359.99
Asus Z87M-PLUS.................. $139.99
Kingston HyperX Genesis 8GB DDR3-1600MHz CL9 dual channel kit (2x4GB) w/ Intel XMP.... $89.99
Samsung 840 EVO series SSD 500GB........ $379.99
ASUS GTX 770 2GB.............. $364.99
Fractal Design Core 1000 Case..... $39.99
Corsair CX series CX500M modular Power Supply..... $69.99
Where I can see myself cutting away some fat: The SSD. 500 GB might be a bit excessive. I keep movies and music on an external media drive so I think I could probably get away with 256 GB?
Any suggestions/changes?
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@Brettatron
Big question: what are you using Civil 3D for? Is this going to be a computer you use to make money? Civil 3D fulfills some hobbyist desires?
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United States9452 Posts
Also, which aftermarket heatsink? Also note Core 1000 is relatively narrow and doesn't support most of the popular tower cooler options.
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@MisterFred
I use civil 3D for work but our work computers are pathetic pieces of crap that can hardly run the program.
I suppose I should also mention some intermittent use of Autocad map 3D and arcGIS.
@Myrmidon
I actually totally missed a heatsink for some reason I will need one. I think I knew that about the case but I really like how... minimal the Core 1000 is. I really don't care too much and will get a bigger case if it fits everything better. I'd like at least one front USB 3.0 port.
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+ Show Spoiler +On January 24 2014 06:56 Brettatron wrote:
Hey guys. Yall helped me build a PC 3 years ago and I'm looking to build a new one. Not planning on recycling much, except the CD/DVD drive, the OS, the monitors and peripherals and the capture card (avermedia live gamer HD).
What is your budget?
Non-issue.
What is your monitor's native resolution?
1920x1080
What games do you intend to play on this computer? What settings?
Whatever tickles my fancy, ranging from BF4 to hearthstone. Always max settings
What do you intend to use the computer for besides gaming?
Autocad Civil 3D. Streaming PS3 and PC games.
Do you intend to overclock?
Yes
Do you intend to do SLI / Crossfire?
No
Do you need an operating system?
No
Do you need a monitor or any other peripherals and is this part of your budget?
Don't need
If you have any requirements or brand preferences, please specify.
I prefer Nvidia because... brand loyalty? Eff if I know.
What country will you be buying your parts in?
Canada
If you have any retailer preferences, please specify.
Memory Express. Willing to go with NCIX if better.
So a little more. I am looking to buy an excessive system because lol expendable income. Not... overly excessive that you are paying so much more for tiny gain, but more top end than I might necessarily need. I've picked a few parts pretty... preliminary. The price has come to about $1450, before looking for price matches. List as follows.
Intel Core I7-4770k................. $359.99
Asus Z87M-PLUS.................. $139.99
Kingston HyperX Genesis 8GB DDR3-1600MHz CL9 dual channel kit (2x4GB) w/ Intel XMP.... $89.99
Samsung 840 EVO series SSD 500GB........ $379.99
ASUS GTX 770 2GB.............. $364.99
Fractal Design Core 1000 Case..... $39.99
Corsair CX series CX500M modular Power Supply..... $69.99
Where I can see myself cutting away some fat: The SSD. 500 GB might be a bit excessive. I keep movies and music on an external media drive so I think I could probably get away with 256 GB?
Any suggestions/changes?
If you don't have a budget, might as well pick one of these and customize it to your liking:
pc.ncix.com/ncixpc_new/ncixpclist.cfm?categoryid=1003
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@Brettatron
Hmm. Well building a dedicated workstation can be very, very different from building a gaming machine. Though not necessarily so. If you deal with really challenging Autocad work than you could go the full Xeon-ECC RAM-workstation GPU route.
Also, if you are planning to use GPU-compute, I think AMD is better at that this time round. Not sure though.
But it looks like that's not really want you want to do - that workstation programs just need to run decent on a primarily gaming computer. If so, you seem to be on the right track. I would note that you'd probably prefer something than the not-super PSU you currently have selected. Maybe an Antec High Current Gamer 520w, a Seasonic G-series 450w. Something like that. I'm not too up on the Canadian market, unfortunately.
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