EPT6800k = ~£105
7700k = ~£120
7850k = ~£135
4670k = ~£172
Prices were silly on the few places you could get them before.
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
6800k = ~£105 7700k = ~£120 7850k = ~£135 4670k = ~£172 Prices were silly on the few places you could get them before. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On January 24 2014 07:48 Brettatron wrote: @MisterFred I use civil 3D for work but our work computers are pathetic pieces of crap that can hardly run the program. I suppose I should also mention some intermittent use of Autocad map 3D and arcGIS. @Myrmidon I actually totally missed a heatsink for some reason I will need one. I think I knew that about the case but I really like how... minimal the Core 1000 is. I really don't care too much and will get a bigger case if it fits everything better. I'd like at least one front USB 3.0 port. You don't have to buy ATX size if you don't want to. Fractal Design has more expensive mATX cases like the Define Mini (ships with two fans and dampening) and Arc Mini R2 (no dampening and ships with three fans). Silverstone PS07 (white version has faster fans) and TJ08 (very similar internal design) are more compact. The way they use fans seems to be pretty smart. Those cases are a lot more expensive, but on the Core 1000 you would have to improve on the stock fan configuration. That's perhaps $15 or more if you have to experiment because it just does not have enough good spots for fans. I'd also be a little worried about dust on the Core 1000 being a bit annoying because of that side panel perforation and possibly crappy air flow. Regarding CPU coolers, the Noctua NH-U12S is a great and safe choice, will always fit in a cramped case. It seems it's not available at memoryexpress.com. The NH-U14S would hit the graphics card on the Z87M-Plus, so don't buy that one. NH-D14 is the smallest of the very large two-tower air coolers and does fit on the Z87M-Plus according to Noctua's compatibility list. I don't really like any of the other choices on the memoryexpress site except the Silverstone HE01. That's a very good cooler, but I don't know if it's compatible with the Z87M-Plus board. It's very likely that it does fit fine, just like the NH-D14. About the rest of the coolers, I researched that Zalman CNPS9900 MAX and it's sadly weak and possibly noisy. Choosing one of the all-in-one water cooling thingies would make the price explode a little. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
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Brettatron
Canada159 Posts
Regarding the Powersupply: any suggestions since the one I chose is "not-super"? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
6°C less on the GPU during mining. great budget case Edit: Well that's not really the case's doing. It's just that I stuck the case fan right on top of the GPU and that really does help, especially since the side panel is removed. The Core 1000 is a great case if you're on a budget and want a cost-efficient solution. It gets the basic job done, but it not a great buy if you're looking for a big case where you can install lots of HDDs or tall heatsinks. It's also quite lacking in the cable management department. Not sure about case flow (since the gains I'm talking about are done without with side panel, so the hot air gets out of the case quite easily), but there are probably way better options as it can only incorporate 3 fans and they're probably not postioned all that well. Still, the strongest argument for this case is its price and it's a damn good argument. PS: Can confim the side panel is a bitch to take off. | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
+ Show Spoiler + Well, it seems to have gone well, at very least everything is still running fine. There are actual temperature gains, though they're minimal. This is unsurprising given that I'm still using the stock cooler. I used MSI Intel Extreme Tuning to stress the CPU and get it to heat up. I'm not going to lie, this program is damn useless. I only used the stress test, which probably isn't even that great a test. I just wanted something to compare temperatures though so it ended up working out. I used Afterburner and Rivatuner to measure temperatures. I did 10 minute stress tests and afterwards I take temperaures off the last 8 minutes of the test. Results: First test, before delid: http://i.imgur.com/fa9z5i4.png Noteworthy is the fact that I took out my case fan for this test and did every test without the case fan and without the side cover. Anyway, somewhat high temperatures were attained here, almost 70°C average. This temperature is, as far as I know, relatively safe. Though it's still high. Room temperature was 21°C. So then we delid. First test after delid: http://i.imgur.com/uiSIptl.png Same test condition as before, though my room is 19-20°C now (I spent the afternoon rebuilding the PC instead of putting everything back together asap). Now we have an average of 66°C, which is a noticeable improvement, though it's not much. One thing to note is that in the first test (pre delid) the CPU fan was running at 2050-2100 RPM whereas in the second test it was done to 1800-1850 RPM. This was noticeably quieter though nothing extravagent. Third test, where I go into BIOS to adjust the fan curve. I adjusted "highest temp" setting went from 70°C to 60°C. Almost no difference whatsoever: http://i.imgur.com/hHDUVK4.png For the fourth and final test, I take the stock intake fan that came with the case and put it on the side vent as an intake*. I noticed when the case was open that this helped GPU temperatures. Anyway, with the side panel back on and the case fan blowing air onto the GPU and CPU, we get the last result: http://i.imgur.com/L5BLD6A.png Which surprised me. 59°C now. That's an 11°C drop; snot bad. Airflow is super important apparently. I'll be ordering that 92mm exhaust fan soon to experiment with more set ups. All in all, was a fun experience. It took a while to actually get the IHS off the die though because I just couldn't bring myself to hit my poor CPU hard enough to actually delid. *With rubber grommets and screws that were supposed to be used for HDDs.. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
If you dropped temps ~7c from just a fan blowing near it.. either your case was ~7c hotter before, or you have direct airflow hitting the stock cooler? The gains from delid really shine too when you're pushing 250w (4c8t 1.45vcore in a higher load) vs 60 on something like stock i5 sin chart measuring power from cpu input (with hardware) showed ~2.4x increase in power load from ~4ghz 1.0v to ~5ghz 1.4v | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
http://imgur.com/W0WI6qt It was about 1/2 to 2/3 the size of that. Yeah the intake fan is positioned so it's blowing almost directly on the stock cooler, though it's a bit off. http://www.fractal-design.com/media/00d9e2ba-f154-4192-9d34-73417f8f0dae That vent on the right is where the fan is blowing air into the case, the intel heatsink is located in about the middle of the i/o panel, if you see what I mean. you think the delid was botched maybe? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Also, the scaling is just much higher when you're not held back by the heatsink size etc, more by trapped heat | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
like, seriously, that's how much i enjoy playing around with the hardware and reading up on it. i almost feel bad not having gotten an overclockable system. almost ;o | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
For normal use like on the top of the CPU, Arctic claims it will stay fine for many years, will never have to be replaced. If that's true, it might also work like that on the die. The original TIM used by Intel can do that, so it might actually be true. There's not really anything to botch about the delid, I feel. You could maybe try to use less MX4 on the die? I wouldn't want to buy CLU for this. If you didn't scratch off the black glue, that will keep temperatures from improving. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
There's not really anything to botch about the delid, I feel. You could maybe try to use less MX4 on the die? I wouldn't want to buy CLU for this. "for this" i kinda agree a little, though i'd really want to do it on any delidded cpu just for the sake of it If it's actually an oc'd cpu though, i'd say 100%. Seems at least half of the gains are from perfect clu application It's good to be confident with delid, that way you can just grab a 4670k and hr-02 macho and throw 1.39 volts without a care in the world for temps being warm | ||
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Incognoto
France10239 Posts
At very least, I'm aware of WHY people delid. To improve the thermal conductivity between the die and the IHS. Intel used to solder them together if I recall correctly, and that transferred lots of heat. Now, since Haswell and IB, they glue the IHS instead. The glue creates a very small gap between the die and the IHS which in turn means that the heat transfer won't be optimal. Getting rid of that gap helps lower temperatures (as more heat is transferred) and using CLU or CLP (I think CLP + aluminium = death?) instead of TIM helps transfer even more heat. | ||
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Germany3557 Posts
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Cyro
United Kingdom20326 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/Cw4o72D.jpg) Both CLP and CLU react (they have galium in them) but there's nothing to worry about with die to ihs application Aaah just turned off smooth scrolling on firefox and so much better, no more of that annoying lag on scrolling! | ||
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IMKR
United States378 Posts
so i need to get a copy to my thumb drive. whats a good guide that you guys know for sure works? ( i would like to burn it to a disc but my laptop doesnt have a optical drive) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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I've tried to compile a PC according to one of the suggested lists in the OP, but I'd love to hear whether it's still good value (and also whether I can cut down the price considering what I use it for). Intent: - playing games: Sc2 (I'm used to playing on low, but I do quite a few customs and team games too), Europa Universalis, Civ 5, minecraft, elder scrolls games. - watching streams and movies, preferably on several 1080p screens at once. Wouldn't mind going up to 3 screens. - compiling code (generally don't have access to a network to do it on, so cpu intensive) - Working with a ton of different windows open, including chrome windows per project, each with 20-30 tabs, running flash. Complication: - I'm currently in Estonia, so I don't know of a cheap way to buy components. I thought scan.co.uk is the cheapest, so I used it to compile the list: Components: - CPU: Intel Core i5 4670K, S 1150, Haswell, Quad Core, 3.4GHz, 3.8GHz Turbo, 1200MHz GPU, 34x Ratio, 84W link - Motherboard: Gigabyte GA-Z87-D3HP, Intel Z87, S 1150, DDR3, SATA 6Gb/s, SATA RAID, PCIe 3.0, D-Sub, DVI/ HDMI, ATX link - GPU: 3GB MSI Radeon Radeon R9 280X Gaming 3G, 28nm, 6000MHz GDDR5, GPU 1000MHz, Boost 1050MHz, 2048 Streams, HDMI/ mDP/ DVI link - Primary HDD: 250GB Samsung 840 EVO Basic SSD SATA 6Gb/s 7mm Slim 3-core MEX Controller Read 540MB/s, Write 520MB/s, 512MB, 97K IOPS link - Secondary HDD: Western Blue 500 GB link - Power: 450W XFX Pro Core Edition P1-450S-X2B9, 85% Eff', 80 PLUS Bronze, SLI/CrossFire, EPS 12V, Fan, ATX v2.31, PSU link - Case: Fractal Design Arc Mini micro-ATX Mini Tower Case Black with USB 3.0 w/o PSU (Std ATX) link - Fan: Thermalright TRUE Spirit 140mm BW Fan with 6x Copper Heat Pipes for socket 1366/1155/775 and AM2/AM3 link - RAM: 8GB (2x4GB) Corsair DDR3 Vengeance Low Profile Cerulean Blue, PC3-17066 (2133), Non-ECC, CAS 11-11-11-27, XMP, 1.5V link Thank you in advance! | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
The CPU cooler might be too high for the case. The CPU cooler is specified as 170mm height (I think), and the documents for the case say it can fit 165mm at most. You could get this cooler instead: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalright-hr-02-macho-cpu-cooler-with-140mm-silent-fan-for-775-1155-1156-1366-amd-am2-am3 Or you could choose this mATX case that can fit the True Spirit 140 cooler: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/silverstone-tj08b-e-temjin-evolution-black-micro-atx-advanced-mini-tower-case-aluminium-steel-with-u A 140mm sized cooler will get very close to the graphics card on an mATX board. From the pictures I could find, the graphics card you chose does not have any strange parts on its back that might get in the way, so it should fit. If you feel the HR-02 Macho might be too large, here's two strong coolers that are smaller, 120mm width: http://www.scan.co.uk/products/scythe-mugen-4-high-performance-cpu-cooler-scmg-4000 http://www.scan.co.uk/products/thermalright-macho-120-rev-a-heatsink-and-fan-cooler-intel-775-1150-1155-1156-1366-2011-amd-am2-am2p Alternatively, you could search for an ATX sized case and keep the parts to originally chose. Keep in mind that room for a 170mm height cooler is special. The PSU you chose has a single PCI-E power connector for the graphics card, which needs two. The graphics card will ship with an adapter to turn two 4-pin Molex from the PSU into a PCI-E power connector. The PSU itself is providing enough power for your CPU and GPU, so that's fine. I don't know about the quality of this particular PSU. | ||
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