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Vestrel
Canada271 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:42 a176 wrote: I never understood why viewing angles were ever considered as a major metric for judging monitors. Because people have multiple monitors and can position them in various ways. If you're just going to stare straight at the monitor than ya it's not a big deal... | ||
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
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IPS.Blue
Germany309 Posts
On February 02 2012 12:01 Womwomwom wrote: ... - Twisted Nematic (TN). The benefits are generally low price and panel speed. The negatives are generally poor colour accuracy (good TN monitors can achieve very good colour accuracy however), vibrancy, as well as poor viewing angles, especially vertical. Extremely good TN panels will still be extremely expensive, reaching up to ~$400 for a 23”. Some TN panels are capable of running at 120hz and will be advertised as such. These monitors are extremely good for gaming and 120hz is a requirement if you want to view 3D content with nVidia 3D Vision and TriDef software. - Inplane Switching (IPS) or Plane to Line Switching (PLS). The benefits are colour accuracy, good viewing angles, and extremely high resolutions in 27”+ monitors. The negatives are generally higher asking price as well as off-angle IPS glow. They used to be slow but now they are more than adequate for gaming, especially if overdrive is applied. The input lag on feature poor IPS monitors, such as the Apple Cinema Displays and HP ZR series of monitors, will generally be extremely low because they’ve got nothing inside them. Side note: Samsung can say what it wants about PLS but for all intents and purposes, its exactly the same thing as IPS with the exact same technical flaws. The only difference is purely cosmetic – the matte anti-glare coating on PLS monitors is significantly thinner than what is on matte IPS monitors - therefore I’ve just lumped the two together. - Vertical Alignment (VA). This technology has the best contrast of all panel technologies and has good viewing angles. However it is also by far the slowest of all panel technologies and often hampered by huge input lag or very slow responsiveness. If you don’t mind high input lag or motion blurring, the image quality on VA monitors are generally fantastic. ... Excellent post. What is your opinion of the LG Electronics 15EL9500 (with all picture enhancement stuff deactivated)? | ||
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NeoSlicerZ
Ireland470 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On February 04 2012 08:41 NeoSlicerZ wrote: Any opinion on the AOC i2353Ph? I'm considering getting one. Did you see the AnandTech review? They don't do the best monitor reviews, but it's a lot better than nothing: http://www.anandtech.com/show/5469/aoc-i2353ph-ips-for-a-nice-low-price By the way, as much as people recommend the U2312HM, it should be noted that the minimum brightness still gives around 115 cd / m^2, which is somewhat unusually high. In any kind of dimmer room lighting, that's probably higher than would be preferred by many. For this scenario, more like 80 cd / m^2 looks about right IMHO, less than that if there's no other lighting or next to none (like to watch a movie or something like that). It really depends though. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On February 04 2012 04:42 a176 wrote: I never understood why viewing angles were ever considered as a major metric for judging monitors. Multiple monitors and gamma shifting. If you don't sit perfectly center, you can probably notice areas of the screen fade and wash out. Vertical viewing angles are generally extremely pathetic in TN panels and it gets dire enough that in the 27" monitors, you will always notice gamma shifting no matter where you sit. Whether you care or not is a different matter. On February 04 2012 01:38 DirgeForNovember wrote: @OP: Great guide! You might want to add the Fujitsu Siemens P27T-6 to the list of 27" 2560x1440 monitors. It's a great monitor, slightly more expensive than the U2711, but cheaper than the Apple Cinema display. I own it, and I'm really, really pleased with it. ^^ Yeah I heard the Fujitsu IPS monitor lineup were great but I've never seen one unfortunately. I think they only operate in Japan and Europe. If someone could elaborate on why they're great and why they're better than the U2711 (like much thinner antiglare coating or something), I could put it in the OP. On February 04 2012 08:31 IPS.Blue wrote: Excellent post. What is your opinion of the LG Electronics 15EL9500 (with all picture enhancement stuff deactivated)? That's that 15" professional OLED TV right? I've seen a Sony OLED TV/monitor/whatever briefly before but not a LG but I don't imagine them being very different: - Incredible contrast, black depth and viewing angles. - Great motion control although still not as good as a CRT if you're that sort of person. The problem with OLED is not so much viewing performance, because they're obviously fantastic, but in robustness. OLEDs have a very limited lifespan, suffer from burn in, and are nearly always precalibrated towards "green" to save the blue OLED from burning out. The first two is terrible for desktop use and the third is can be fixed with some consequences. I don't think OLEDs will take off like LCDs did unless they solve the reliability issues. I think if Sony can dig themselves out of the financial mess they are in right now, their Crystal LED might be more suited for desktop use, which is actually very strenuous on monitors. On February 04 2012 08:41 NeoSlicerZ wrote: Any opinion on the AOC i2353Ph? I'm considering getting one. There shouldn't be any problems with it. Its an eIPS monitor so there isn't too much to worry about. Anandtech seemed to like it so you're probably safe if you buy it from a decent retailer where you can return the monitor if the interesting monitor design results in backlight bleeding or anything else bad. Edit: The overdrive, according to TFT Central, is a little half baked and the input lag is fairly moderate (~18ms). It should be fine for gaming but its not the best out there. | ||
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vince1234
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downmaster
Canada116 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On February 05 2012 07:22 vince1234 wrote: does the input lag and response time of the Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM and Asus ProArt PA238Q affect gaming? No. On February 05 2012 10:19 downmaster wrote: Any opinions on the LG IPS226V? NCIX has them on sale for 164.99 and I wonder if it is a good monitor. Should I wait when I build my full setup in about 2 months or just get it now. If you are in no rush than wait for Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM to go on sale again, it was $185 last week (and $180 the week before). Buying anything else around this price range in Canada is just stupid. | ||
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Regulate140
Canada108 Posts
On February 03 2012 12:18 CaptainBoner wrote: Hey, my old monitor stopped working so I'm forced to use a tv until I get a new one. I'd like it to be under $200 and i've narrowed my choices down to about 3 monitors, could you guys help me decide which to get? ASUS VS Series VS247H-P Black 23.6" 2ms http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-174&SortField=1&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo ASUS VS Series VS238H-P Black 23" 2ms http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=24-236-175&SortField=1&SummaryType=0&Pagesize=10&PurchaseMark=&SelectedRating=-1&VideoOnlyMark=False&VendorMark=&IsFeedbackTab=true&Page=2#scrollFullInfo ASUS VH242H Black 23.6" 5ms http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236052 Thanks for any help. I don't know much about monitors so if you think that there are better choices please let me know. I would recommend ASUS VS238H-P, I picked one up last cyber monday and I gotta say if you're looking for a fair priced gaming monitor you really can't go wrong. 23 inch is perfect size, great response time, colours are amazing... i can't imagine gaming on anything else. I like the clean look of it too, nothing distracting on it. | ||
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/fpPaE.png) The reason I copy-pasted them ontop of themselves is because I'm thinking of getting two more. The white monitor requires a significant turn of my head so it seems much smarter (ergonomic, functional, and aesthetic) to have them above. First, I'm wondering what size of monitor I should get. My Samsungs' are 22" and 16:10 (1680x1050). Should I get two 24" monitors and put them below in a sort of pyramid shape? Will the different resolution (1920x1200) look stupid regardless? I don't really know. Once I figure that out I can look at the details of the monitors and how I'm going to mount them. I can build a shelf or wall mount them pretty easily so they're at the right height. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
But honestly, I'd just sell your two monitors and purchase three U2412HM or whatever 1920x1200 monitor you had in mind and put them side by side. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
TN panels tend to have crap for picture quality on shifted vertical viewing angles, so you'd probably want to avoid them if you were to put them up there. | ||
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Durak
Canada3684 Posts
On February 05 2012 11:29 skyR wrote: If it were me with that setup and wanted two more monitors. If I were purchasing two more 1680x1050 monitors, I'd put the third on the left (assuming you sit at the center of your keyboard (infront of the left screen in the photo) and one on top. But honestly, I'd just sell your two monitors and purchase three U2412HM or whatever 1920x1200 monitor you had in mind and put them side by side. Three side by side doesn't seem as good because of the keyboard position. I currently look down slightly at the monitors so looking up and down is a small movement. Having three 23" monitors side by side would require a ton of head turning and I wouldn't even be centered. On February 05 2012 12:13 Myrmidon wrote: What model Samsungs are they? Before you start getting more monitors to place that high up, test out the viewing angles on the current monitors. Move one temporarily as high as you would have them in a 2x2 array, to get a feel for (1) how it would be to actually look upwards like that and (2) see how the monitor performs. TN panels tend to have crap for picture quality on shifted vertical viewing angles, so you'd probably want to avoid them if you were to put them up there. I gave the model in my first post. The viewing angle is pretty terrible. I don't think buying another two of the same monitor would be a good idea regardless. I'm looking for suggestions for another monitor that I could put above or below these two that would look good. I don't know what size/resolution would be best to get to go with these two. I'm actually thinking the best configuration would be: 12 12 with the 2s being my current Samsung monitors. The reason is that 2 would be my least-looked-at monitor where I just have my music playlist and clock or whatever on, and therefore the viewing angle wouldn't really matter. Edit: Yeah, the only downside I can think of for that configuration would be having the two sets of monitors at the same vertical height. It would be kinda weird having the x1200 height next to the x1050 too. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Your current setup of 123 is not how you do a triple monitor setup. A proper setup for three monitors side by side is 213. Unless there's like an invisible wall to your left, I see no reason why you wouldn't do this. | ||
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Siirath
Netherlands13 Posts
I've got a question about VA monitors. The Eizo EV2333WH-BK gets great reviews, and it's listed as a recommendation for graphic monitors. However, the Prad review is over 2 years old, and it gets poor marks for motion performance. But it is VA tech. - VA is for people who are resistant to, and or are doing tasks that don’t care about, weak motion performance. They still look incredible, better than TN and IPS in my opinion. So I was wondering, since it's in a similar price range, how does the EV2333WH-BK stand up against a monitor such as the U2412M for image quality? And, how bad is the motion performance? I spend maybe 10 hours a week gaming (SC2 mainly), and the rest doing graphics and desktop work. Will I hate myself for getting motion blurred to death? | ||
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Xapti
Canada2473 Posts
22" CRTs (in fact even 20" or smaller can do it I think) can do 2048x1536 pixels (≈3 Mpx), but 22" LCDs won't go past around 1920x1080 (≈2 Mpx) That's one of the biggest factors I weigh with regards to monitors, but I guess other factors help CRT as well. I guess a related issue is also cost, something I don't think you mentioned (well it's mentioned to favor LCD, which while at least somewhat accurate, is only comparing new monitors). While a high-end 22" CRT could have been $1000–2000+ at one point, they are $0–50 now, while a 22" LCD would be maybe $110–400. I bet it's also probably possible to make an LCD with higher pixel density (especially with alternative/new LCD tech, or even non-LCD tech like OLED if you want to count that as LCD), but you'd probably pay a body part for it (if the are even in production at all — methinks the demand may not be there). Oh and one more con you can add to CRT is that it sometimes isn't a flat screen. Oftentimes (in fact probably all of the newer ones) it is a flat screen, but there's still the issue that exists, to which is non-existent for LCD. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
I am correct in thinking that screen tearing on a 120hz monitor would be nonexistant if playing at 60FPS? | ||
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