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On February 05 2012 16:01 skyR wrote:
Having three monitors side by side is the most common setup for triple monitors. It involves very little to zero head movement. You would be in the center and your keyboard would be in the center as well so I'm not sure why you're saying the keyboard position would be retarded or you won't be centered.
Your current setup of 123 is not how you do a triple monitor setup. A proper setup for three monitors side by side is 213. Unless there's like an invisible wall to your left, I see no reason why you wouldn't do this.
I understand that. The reason I don't think that would work is because of the positioning of the monitors. I wouldn't be able to fit three 22"+ monitors side by side, even with a moderate concave. My keyboard tray determines the best place to sit and, consequently, where my monitors should be placed.
If I imagine the two monitors, II can tell that this four monitor position would be best for my setup. I simply want to know what I can do about mixing and matching two different sets of monitors so it's not jarring. I think the main problem will be having the two monitors "line up" if the resolutions are different, either height or width depending on where I place them.
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On February 05 2012 21:57 Medrea wrote:
Screen tearing is often an issue whenever Vsync is disabled and the framerates are close to 60 FPS on a 60hz monitor.
I am correct in thinking that screen tearing on a 120hz monitor would be nonexistant if playing at 60FPS?
Ya you're right
screen tearing occurs when you have 60+ fps on a 60hz monitor.
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Currently looking at getting a new monitor since my old one broke, and due to being limited by the amount of room on my desk, 21.5" is probably the largest size I could buy. So after a while of hunting around, finally found two monitors that are in-stock and I quite like:
Acer S221HQ
V223HQ.
Anyone have any advice about these monitors, and is there anything important I should know? Don't want to end up wasting £80 - £100, however I am leaning towards the second monitor because im used to widescreen, thanks.
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On February 06 2012 01:10 Durak wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On February 05 2012 16:01 skyR wrote:
Having three monitors side by side is the most common setup for triple monitors. It involves very little to zero head movement. You would be in the center and your keyboard would be in the center as well so I'm not sure why you're saying the keyboard position would be retarded or you won't be centered.
Your current setup of 123 is not how you do a triple monitor setup. A proper setup for three monitors side by side is 213. Unless there's like an invisible wall to your left, I see no reason why you wouldn't do this. I understand that. The reason I don't think that would work is because of the positioning of the monitors. I wouldn't be able to fit three 22"+ monitors side by side, even with a moderate concave. My keyboard tray determines the best place to sit and, consequently, where my monitors should be placed. If I imagine the two monitors, II can tell that this four monitor position would be best for my setup. I simply want to know what I can do about mixing and matching two different sets of monitors so it's not jarring. I think the main problem will be having the two monitors "line up" if the resolutions are different, either height or width depending on where I place them.
I still don't understand. The photo you posted shows adequate space on the left for VESA mounting the second/third monitor. But if you want to do a 2x2 VESA configuration than use the new monitors on the bottom and the old ones on the top.
On February 06 2012 02:07 eXistance wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Currently looking at getting a new monitor since my old one broke, and due to being limited by the amount of room on my desk, 21.5" is probably the largest size I could buy. So after a while of hunting around, finally found two monitors that are in-stock and I quite like: Acer S221HQ V223HQ. Anyone have any advice about these monitors, and is there anything important I should know? Don't want to end up wasting £80 - £100, however I am leaning towards the second monitor because im used to widescreen, thanks.
They're cheap TN monitors, there's nothing to know.
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On February 05 2012 19:21 Siirath wrote:Wow, what an awesome post. This is by far the most concisely useful and practical guide I have seen! I've got a question about VA monitors. The Eizo EV2333WH-BK gets great reviews, and it's listed as a recommendation for graphic monitors. However, the Prad review is over 2 years old, and it gets poor marks for motion performance. But it is VA tech. Show nested quote +- VA is for people who are resistant to, and or are doing tasks that don’t care about, weak motion performance. They still look incredible, better than TN and IPS in my opinion. So I was wondering, since it's in a similar price range, how does the EV2333WH-BK stand up against a monitor such as the U2412M for image quality? And, how bad is the motion performance? I spend maybe 10 hours a week gaming (SC2 mainly), and the rest doing graphics and desktop work. Will I hate myself for getting motion blurred to death?
The motion performance is bad. Anyone will notice ghosting because cPVA panels are slow as shit, especially when shifting from very dark shades to lighter ones. Its an inherent flaw in the technology and there's not much you can do about it. Very well applied overdrive can reduce the ghosting to something very bearable but that's something you have to test out for yourself.
If gaming is a priority, you might want to look at the EV2333's gaming brother: the Eizo Foris FS2331. You don't get the badass stand that EV2333 has but you get a ton of connections as well as better applied overdrive and extremely low input lag. If you can find a retailer that accepts change of mind returns or something similar, I'd buy it and give it a try. In terms of image quality, the Eizo VA monitor will be better than the U2412M due to a semi-glossy coating as well as far better black depth and contrast.
If the U2412M is a similar price to an Eizo monitor, how much can you find an Eizo FS2332 for and how much more is it compared to comparable Dell monitors (like the U2312HM)? If image quality and performance is what you want, its a very good choice because it has good build quality, stupidly robust electronics and software, as well as much lighter antiglare than every other matte IPS monitor. The funny thing is that the FS2332, an IPS monitor, seems to be using a Samsung built panel...shows how much technical difference there is between IPS and PLS.
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Good initiative.
I would like to point out the lack of iiyama monitors on your list. iiyama makes some pretty good monitors, especially the ProLite E2472HD is worth looking at.
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If gaming is a priority, you might want to look at the EV2333's gaming brother: the Eizo Foris FS2331. You don't get the badass stand that EV2333 has but you get a ton of connections as well as better applied overdrive and extremely low input lag. If you can find a retailer that accepts change of mind returns or something similar, I'd buy it and give it a try. In terms of image quality, the Eizo VA monitor will be better than the U2412M due to a semi-glossy coating as well as far better black depth and contrast.
If the U2412M is a similar price to an Eizo monitor, how much can you find an Eizo FS2332 for and how much more is it compared to comparable Dell monitors (like the U2312HM)? If image quality and performance is what you want, its a very good choice because it has good build quality, stupidly robust electronics and software, as well as much lighter antiglare than every other matte IPS monitor. The funny thing is that the FS2332, an IPS monitor, seems to be using a Samsung built panel...shows how much technical difference there is between IPS and PLS.
Thanks for the reply. I guess I'd have to say that my priority would be graphic performance, mainly for digital graphic design. Gaming is secondary for me, but I do really like to emerse myself in games now and then, so it's not completely off the table. Budget is an issue as I'm trying to get together a PC with screen for €1000, maybe €1100. It's quite the balancing act to say the least!
Here are some of the prices for which I can get the screens over here:
EV2333 €269
FS2331 €298
FS2332 €438
U2412M is €236
U2312HM is €175
The FS2331 looks like a great screen from what I've seen in the review on flatpanelshd.com. Is it that much better than the 2412 beyond the black levels?
I guess I'll go visit a store nearby to take a look at some of these monitors.
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If those are the prices, whether or not 100 extra Euros over the U2312HM is worth it is going to depend on whether or not you can "feel" the benefits of deep black depth and high contrast. Its a case where buying blind is probably not the best way to go.
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Thanks for the review Womwomwom. It's very useful since I will be undertaking my first computer build project in the not-to-distant future, and I will be needing a nice monitor.
Does anyone have any thoughts on SAMSUNG P2770FH? If you click on the monitor name, it will take you to the product's page on Newegg.
I used the advanced search options on Newegg to filter out monitors based on response times and other various features. Lists come up with various brands, prices and features. It is overwhelming. As a buyer, we want to make the best purchasing decision, but it is coming to a point when it all just looks and feels the same. On top of it all, the pricing of aforementioned monitors don't seem entirely logical at all either. For example, Samsung S24A450BW is priced more expensively. I don't quite get it.
Your advice is appreciated. 
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1ms is a lie, its a 27" TN monitor, and its not height adjustable. The P2770FH is not recommended because you *will* notice gamma shift on that thing, especially since you cannot adjust the height to be perfectly inline with your head. I think TN technology only ever gets to 28" max because any larger and consumers will undoubtly notice how shitty the vertical viewing angles are.
The Samsung S24A450BW is probably your run of the mill TN monitor. I've mentioned everything in the OP so I don't know why you picked those two monitors. If you don't want to read the whole topic, just read anything not in spoiler tags. It has monitor recommendations so just pick one in your price range. Keep in mind Dell monitors are best bought straight off Dell...you're guaranteed warranty as well as free delivery.
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On February 08 2012 22:12 Womwomwom wrote:
1ms is a lie, its a 27" TN monitor, and its not height adjustable. The P2770FH is not recommended because you *will* notice gamma shift on that thing, especially since you cannot adjust the height to be perfectly inline with your head. I think TN technology only ever gets to 28" max because any larger and consumers will undoubtly notice how shitty the vertical viewing angles are.
Listen to this man... at work I have a 24" TN monitor (some Lenonovo ThinkVision) and any time I adjust my sitting position, I have to adjust its height (thank GOD it has excellent ergonomics) or the vertical gamma shift is AWFUL.
Even so, it looks like crap and in this overly-lit office with huge windows that are not well blocked by blinds. What I think I'm eyeballing here is heavy AG, low brightness, and really poor contrast ratio, making it look even worse given the surrounding conditions.
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Fantastic guide, Womwomwom. I tend to have more trouble choosing displays than I do in building entire machines /shrug.
I have just recently entered the market once more, looking to upgrade from my Samsung Syncmaster 226CW. Before I stumbled upon this, I was looking at the BenQ XL2410/XL2420; not so much now. The search for an amazing monitor should be easier with this. Thanks!
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Ok, I have question about new monitors since I will probably be in the market for one but nothing definite yet. I have seen on several sites and even on here that Dell Ultrasharp seems to be a good quality monitor, and highly recommended. What exactly makes this monitor better/worth the extra price compared to a lot of others? Mostly using the ultrasharp as an example, but my question is: Say you have several 23" monitors, all 1920x1080 resolution, with the same 1000:1 contrast ratio, 60Hz, but prices ranging from $150-$300, what makes the more expensive ones worth it? Most specs on monitors only include resolution, size, response time, refresh rate, and contrast ratio. But as the OP says, response time and contrast ratio usually aren't what they say they are.
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If you read the OP, you would have been able to answer your own question -_- More expensive ones are using IPS panels which offer better viewing angles and colour accuracy. Dell Ultrasharps are specifically worth it because they have a fully adjustable stand and amazing post-sale support. Easily / quickly being able to exchange a monitor with excessive backlight bleeding is well worth the extra $10 or so. And it's not like Dell Ultrasharps are even expensive anymore... U2312HM can be had for under $200.
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Oh this is really nice, I want a new monitor but have been too lazy. Thanks for this guide!
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Are there any good 1080p 22" or 24" monitors for under $100?
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Lol no. You can't even find shitty ones for under $100 unless it's a sale.
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On February 16 2012 16:13 skyR wrote:
Lol no. You can't even find shitty ones for under $100 unless it's a sale.
Lol damn! Was hoping for a miracle, guess buying a 7950 and not having the budget to buy 2 or 3 monitors for eyefinity is pretty silly.
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I love it when people spend so much on a desktop that they can't afford anything but the worst peripherals.
60hz TN monitors start to get decent around the $170 price point. Anything below is generally completely awful or old (hence awful).
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On February 16 2012 16:29 Womwomwom wrote:
I love it when people spend so much on a desktop that they can't afford anything but the worst peripherals.
60hz TN monitors start to get decent around the $170 price point. Anything below is generally completely awful or old (hence awful).
Love dat regret :D
Oh well, just have to live with my old 2 screens.
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