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minitelemaster
Profile Joined May 2011
United States95 Posts
July 08 2016 03:51 GMT
#1941
2414 is considerably cheaper (~$220 from amazon) so I think I'd go that over the newer 2417. Dell is having a sale on refurb 2715 for $265 or so, so now I'm wondering: Is a 27 inch monitor too big for sc2, and gaming in general? Seems like 24 inch is considered the "sweet spot."
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 14:33:19
July 08 2016 14:31 GMT
#1942
If you have the same resolution, you'll get a better pixel density on a 24" monitor than on a 27" monitor, which for many means a sharper, superior image. Some prefer a big image though! In terms of StarCraft, for some players the minimap is a significant concern. If it's farther away from the center of the screen (in inches, not pixels), it can be harder to keep an eye on. I know I used to catch all sorts of shenanigans on the Brood War minimap, but I'm pretty bad at keeping watch on the SC2 minimap. So for catching every blip on the minimap, a small monitor is better for many players. That said, a larger monitor farther away from your face will do the same thing, so consider desk size as well.

For me it's also a reason to not worry about a smaller field of vision on 16:10. I don't worry about managing a battle on screen, but I do worry about missing an incoming drop on the minimap.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-08 18:06:11
July 08 2016 17:53 GMT
#1943
With montior size labeled by diagonal inches it can be difficult to grasp the area difference

Going by a calculator online, those screen areas seem to be about:

242 square inches @92.5ppi (23.8" diagonal)

vs

311.5 square inches @109ppi (27" diagonal)

1.287x bigger by area but that area contains 1.778x more pixels because it's 1440p vs 1080p.

~38% more pixels per square inch

That's a solid improvement but it's partially why i don't want a 27" 1440p monitor. Going from a 24" 1080p to 24" 4k monitor would yield a 300% improvement in pixels per square inch, almost 8 times as much difference.

27-30" 1440p is still in the same boat as 22-24" 1080p but you've maintained or slightly improved your density while moving to a much larger screen.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
BelialSC2
Profile Joined June 2016
38 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-07-10 16:18:46
July 10 2016 16:17 GMT
#1944
Looking for a gloss ips 23" monitor. I like my Dell U2312hm (matte) and want to get additional nice monitors but want to go for a gloss, so I was gonna get the Dell S2340M which I've owned before (among many other 23" good IPS monitors), but a lot of time has passed since I've done research on the subject and amazon notifies me there's a new version of it, the Dell S2317HJ.

Just wondering if I should go for the S2317HJ or is there a much better gloss IPS 23" under $200. I'd really like to spend under 150 but I don't see the S2340M for that since it is so old.

Actually I might bid for a few 2340m's on ebay and try to get it under 150. Unless someone's got a better suggestion.
SkelA
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
Macedonia13081 Posts
August 12 2016 13:20 GMT
#1945
Just bought myself Dell P2414H IPS monitor and i cant stand it on my first day of use. Had an 19 incher so far but on the new monitor my head feels like its gonna explode.

Its not confortable on my eyes... dunno if im not used to it yet or not havent done a proper setup.
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EmKey
Profile Joined December 2002
Korea (South)631 Posts
August 12 2016 17:16 GMT
#1946
why is uncomfortable ? is it b/c of the size or colors/glare ? You will get use to the size with time and colors can be calibrated.
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-08-12 18:36:38
August 12 2016 18:30 GMT
#1947
On August 12 2016 22:20 SkelA wrote:
Just bought myself Dell P2414H IPS monitor and i cant stand it on my first day of use. Had an 19 incher so far but on the new monitor my head feels like its gonna explode.

Its not confortable on my eyes... dunno if im not used to it yet or not havent done a proper setup.


You should adjust stuff like brightness immediately after getting a new monitor as they can be quite wildly wrong. A good brightness setting also depends on the level of light in the room and around the monitor - you don't want too big of a difference between the monitor's brightness level and the rest of the room


Try a config like this one:

Preset Mode= Custom Color

Brightness= 62 (according to preferences and lighting)

Contrast= 75

Red= 99

Green= 97

Blue= 98


from https://pcmonitors.info/reviews/dell-p2414h/

also make sure that the monitor is at least ~2ft (~65cm) away from you.

Changing settings for color, brightness etc will usually look really weird for a little while. That doesn't mean that it's bad, it will usually start to feel normal after a short adjustment period
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
September 08 2016 14:21 GMT
#1948
https://www.massdrop.com/buy/lg-24gm77-b-full-hd-led-gaming-monitor?mode=guest_open

just wanted to alert you guys there's a sale
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GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
October 17 2016 05:53 GMT
#1949
Where's the low-end sweet spot for 23"ish monitors? I'm leaning toward 1080 to keep it under $200. I have a 1070 so I could do 2k if it was a deal or something. Also any "Best in class" I should look at?

Not a competitive gamer so not too worried about refresh rates though I would like bells and whistles/ good black and color.

Would also like to keep g2g around 5ms
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
FiWiFaKi
Profile Blog Joined February 2009
Canada9859 Posts
October 18 2016 06:10 GMT
#1950
On October 17 2016 14:53 GreenHorizons wrote:
Where's the low-end sweet spot for 23"ish monitors? I'm leaning toward 1080 to keep it under $200. I have a 1070 so I could do 2k if it was a deal or something. Also any "Best in class" I should look at?

Not a competitive gamer so not too worried about refresh rates though I would like bells and whistles/ good black and color.

Would also like to keep g2g around 5ms


I don't know what is 2k, probably doesn't exist for monitors, but why can't we go with the metric system logic and be smart, and call it by the first name

240p - LQ
360p - MQ
480p - SD Standard Definition
720p - HD
1080p - Full HD
1440p - Quad HD
2160p - Ultra HD - 4K - 4K UHD
4320p - 8k - 8K UHD

1070 is quick, you could easily do a 1440p, especially if you're doing a single monitor setup. I think like 90% of 1080p monitors out there have 5ms gtg or lower, so that's not an issue.

What you want an IPS panel, which generally have nice reproduction, at the cost of lower refresh rates, which is kind of a bummer since a 1070 could definitely take advantage of a 144Hz, but getting that in a price range you'd be happy with probably isn't the easiest anyway.

My recommendation is to get a 1080p IPS panel with a 60Hz refresh rate. I've been really happy with BenQ and Asus monitors, less so with LG. For productivity I think 2x 1080p panels are way better than one 27" 1440p, so I wouldn't bother looking too much at that, if you want more premium and your wallet allows, consider a 2nd monitor. I think cheap TN's are not great monitors, but at a higher end they get better, so if you're wanting 144Hz, check those out, not sure if they are out of your reach though.

Colors or kinda subjective, so I'd recommend going to your nearest BestBuy and just looking at the color there, watch a clip, see how much the fast switching bothers you with IPS (imo it shouldn't at all, but I'm a person who thinks $2000 headphones have next to no difference compared to my $250).

My recommendation would be: VP239H-P
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beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-20 07:23:31
October 18 2016 22:42 GMT
#1951
What's a good 24"/1080p/60 Hz/non-gloss IPS monitor?

I'm currently looking at the Dell U2417H but was maybe trying to see if I could get something comparable for a little cheaper.
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-16 18:11:58
November 16 2016 17:57 GMT
#1952
ok its christmas soon, i need a new monitor, no more delays and waiting.

I have done some research, but everyone seems to have a different opinion.
My priorities in order:

144/120hz freesync - IPS - no PWM - no 1080p over 24"- 24"


So i came up with

Eizo FS2735
Asus MG279Q

the 2nd one costs half of the first one.
Anyone have any better recommendations or an opinion on those 2?
They both have no PWM and blue light filter thingy, both are over 24" because no decent 24" exists, both IPS both 144 freesync, asus has worse freesync range.
Both might have backlight issues.

Thats my research.


Im also open to comparable TN monitors, to be honest im not an expert and i only read that IPS delivers better image quality
like this one maybe, it has over 1080p at 24":
AOC AG241QX
GreenHorizons
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States24130 Posts
November 16 2016 22:35 GMT
#1953
On November 17 2016 02:57 LaNague wrote:
ok its christmas soon, i need a new monitor, no more delays and waiting.

I have done some research, but everyone seems to have a different opinion.
My priorities in order:

144/120hz freesync - IPS - no PWM - no 1080p over 24"- 24"


So i came up with

Eizo FS2735
Asus MG279Q

the 2nd one costs half of the first one.
Anyone have any better recommendations or an opinion on those 2?
They both have no PWM and blue light filter thingy, both are over 24" because no decent 24" exists, both IPS both 144 freesync, asus has worse freesync range.
Both might have backlight issues.

Thats my research.


Im also open to comparable TN monitors, to be honest im not an expert and i only read that IPS delivers better image quality
like this one maybe, it has over 1080p at 24":
AOC AG241QX



IPS vs TN is mostly a viewing angle thing (at least that's consistent across price ranges). TN's have to be basically right in front of you to keep accurate color, whereas IPS has like 178° vertical and horizontal viewing angle.

So if it's a main monitor, that you won't have people trying to watch over your shoulder/showing people stuff on it regularly TN might be worth the savings (usually much cheaper when looking at 144). Also if you're doing stuff where it's important that color replication is critical IPS is a better choice.

Also when you get over 24" it's possible that the far edges of the screen get slightly color distorted as depending on how far away you are the viewing angle may exceed it's range.

I'm no expert though, just also shopping for a monitor
"People like to look at history and think 'If that was me back then, I would have...' We're living through history, and the truth is, whatever you are doing now is probably what you would have done then" "Scratch a Liberal..."
LaNague
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
Germany9118 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-11-19 14:01:14
November 19 2016 14:00 GMT
#1954
yeah my i bought asus mg279q and it has 2 grey spots in the middle of the freaking screen "passed QC".
Almost looks like dirt, its grey smush and not a dead pixel.


Ill return it later and buy a new one, its out of stock right now. Good thing i bought it from amazon.
beefhamburger
Profile Joined December 2007
United States3962 Posts
November 22 2016 02:41 GMT
#1955
Anyone have any experience with the Asus MG248Q? It's on sale for $210 USD (after mail-in rebate).
Kellidan
Profile Joined October 2012
France12 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-01-31 10:16:14
January 24 2017 10:03 GMT
#1956
Hey ! Can you advise me a monitor for sc2 and general gaming ? I was looking for XL2411Z, my budget is around 250 dollars.

Thanks !

Edit : nobody can help me ??
tammyal050
Profile Joined May 2017
1 Post
Last Edited: 2017-05-24 11:37:26
May 24 2017 11:37 GMT
#1957
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mantequilla
Profile Blog Joined June 2012
Turkey781 Posts
August 09 2017 13:47 GMT
#1958
I'm a stranger to how fast monitor technology develops. Can a monitor produced three years ago still be considered good?

I'm looking for a 23-25'' 1080p monitor with good picture quality for casual AAA gaming. Specifically I was looking at Dell UltraSharp U2414H 23.8". Reviews generally say its very good but it's 3 years old. Should I look for a more recent monitor?
Age of Mythology forever!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20341 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 17:34:04
August 09 2017 21:57 GMT
#1959
I don't think there have been many significant advancements in monitors for a while - some new stuff, higher refresh rates+resolutions and some newer panel types but usually with highly inflated pricetags to match. Many of the most bought monitors are 3-4 years old being sold for the same price they initially showed up at
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Amui
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Canada10567 Posts
Last Edited: 2017-08-10 07:03:51
August 10 2017 07:01 GMT
#1960
On August 09 2017 22:47 mantequilla wrote:
I'm a stranger to how fast monitor technology develops. Can a monitor produced three years ago still be considered good?

I'm looking for a 23-25'' 1080p monitor with good picture quality for casual AAA gaming. Specifically I was looking at Dell UltraSharp U2414H 23.8". Reviews generally say its very good but it's 3 years old. Should I look for a more recent monitor?

I have 2 of them. Pretty solid, look absolutely amazing, overclock to 72Hz and all the ones still being sold *SHOULD* be firmware/hardware version 3, which means that unlike both of mine, they will actually resume from sleep without a hard power cycle half the time.

I'm unsure of whether the 2417h has any of the issues or if it can overclock, but the monitors are definitely holding up well. Unless you specifically want high refresh rates, the super thin bezel and color calibration makes it pretty great for day to day use.

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