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issh
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands96 Posts
March 27 2016 11:28 GMT
#1901
On March 27 2016 10:00 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On March 25 2016 00:07 AbouSV wrote:
Does the 3D option adds to the price of the VG248 and XL2411Z?
If so, are there equivalents without it?


No

--------

Show nested quote +
On March 25 2016 23:00 issh wrote:
Sup guys, im posting this to get some opinions, i bought the benq xl2420t a few years ago (the old version, 2ms ect) it has no lightboost or anything, and the colors are atrocious tbh. Is it worth upgrading to something like the XL2411Z or would you advice me to wait for something better?


Did you calibrate it?


Using tftcentral's profile and recommended settings.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-27 20:36:48
March 27 2016 20:36 GMT
#1902
I don't know how bad the monitor you mentioned is. Those other monitors (like the vg248qe, xl2411z) often have an issue with the gamma curve being weird so that dark colors are not dark enough if you calibrate it for most of the range to be fine. Some people complain about that.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
issh
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands96 Posts
March 28 2016 13:57 GMT
#1903
Hmm, im not sure, but that sounds better than mine, where the colors are more washed out than anything, unfortunately there's no store nearby where i could go to check these monitors out :<
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
March 30 2016 11:59 GMT
#1904
I only play csgo, and want the perfect monitor for it.

ASUS VG248QE G-SYNC or some BenQ model? I need something good to look on, I think both Asus and Benq can deliver blur smoothness, but who delivers the best image quality so I can spot the enemy a tad better? I am also ordering a new graphic card, to make sure its stable fps
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-03-30 15:55:52
March 30 2016 15:29 GMT
#1905
You can't use backlight strobing (aka blur reduction on marketing pictures) with gsync on, you have to choose one or the other. The vg248qe and several benq monitors are very similar for IQ, i think they used the same panel for some.

what CPU and GPU do you plan to use?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
March 30 2016 17:50 GMT
#1906
On March 31 2016 00:29 Cyro wrote:
You can't use backlight strobing (aka blur reduction on marketing pictures) with gsync on, you have to choose one or the other. The vg248qe and several benq monitors are very similar for IQ, i think they used the same panel for some.

what CPU and GPU do you plan to use?


Using Intel Core i5-3570K, not sure about the GPU, does it matter? Thinking GeForce something, probably 950/960.
Some people say that blur reduction is better when you are certain that fps are stable high. Maybe I'll just go for the BenQ one
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
March 30 2016 18:16 GMT
#1907
Not sure how high FPS a 950-960 can sustain but CSGO is pretty easy to run

Gsync gives the most advantage when frametimes are inconsistent, faster than the slowest speed of the monitor but not as fast as the monitor is capable of. That means frametimes between ~32-7ms with most of the better gsync monitors today that have a 1/30'rd of a second to 1/144'th of a second refresh period.

If you can keep every frame faster than 1/144'th of a second, the benefits are minor by comparison but might still be notable. I'd have to use a gsync monitor to say.

Backlight strobing works best with triple buffer vsync (the kind that continually renders new frames into two alternating back buffers and then shows the most recently completed one when the next screen refresh starts) but that's a pain to set up if you can even do it well with that particular game. Otherwise you're probably playing strobing+vsync off.

Strobing is pretty hit and miss, some people notice it a lot and can't stand to play without a CRT or backlight strobing because of how dramatic the difference to motion blur is but others don't notice it much at all. It can also be hit and miss because of the increased eye strain which is a problem for some users
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
March 31 2016 07:22 GMT
#1908
On March 31 2016 03:16 Cyro wrote:
Not sure how high FPS a 950-960 can sustain but CSGO is pretty easy to run

Gsync gives the most advantage when frametimes are inconsistent, faster than the slowest speed of the monitor but not as fast as the monitor is capable of. That means frametimes between ~32-7ms with most of the better gsync monitors today that have a 1/30'rd of a second to 1/144'th of a second refresh period.

If you can keep every frame faster than 1/144'th of a second, the benefits are minor by comparison but might still be notable. I'd have to use a gsync monitor to say.

Backlight strobing works best with triple buffer vsync (the kind that continually renders new frames into two alternating back buffers and then shows the most recently completed one when the next screen refresh starts) but that's a pain to set up if you can even do it well with that particular game. Otherwise you're probably playing strobing+vsync off.

Strobing is pretty hit and miss, some people notice it a lot and can't stand to play without a CRT or backlight strobing because of how dramatic the difference to motion blur is but others don't notice it much at all. It can also be hit and miss because of the increased eye strain which is a problem for some users


So to be safe ,ASUS VG248QE G-SYNC is the safest bet, in case I can't stand strobing from ULMB? With Asus I can switch, but I can't do this with a BenQ xl2411z for example?
Am I getting it right? It's just 80$ more for the Asus monitor.
Nixer
Profile Joined July 2011
2774 Posts
March 31 2016 14:31 GMT
#1909
G-Sync isn't really worth it if you're only planning on playing CS:GO.
Colours are better on the XL2411Z with calibration with ICC and OSD settings compared to the VG248QE.

You're usually better off just choosing the cheaper one of the two however.
Graphics
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-02 00:18:42
April 02 2016 00:18 GMT
#1910
You can always turn backlight strobing on or off, it's just not a magical feature that you'd want to run 24/7
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
{ToT}ColmA
Profile Joined November 2007
Japan3260 Posts
April 04 2016 08:48 GMT
#1911
Hey guys, i ve zero clue about monitors.

this is what i currently use

Main -> FS2434 (EIZO) and some old ASUS VS247H-P Monitor.

I might be in the market for an upgrade size wise. The Eizo one is really good, i like the colors and for what i do it is enough, the second monitor does not really matter to me as i just use it to browse..so why would i like a new monitor?

all i ever had was 1080p or lower resolution, i would like to into 1440p so i can have a larger screen and wow interface lol!

is there something out there for like ~300 euro that is a good 1440p monitor?
The only virgins in kpop left are the fans
Foxxan
Profile Joined October 2004
Sweden3427 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-04 14:12:03
April 04 2016 14:11 GMT
#1912
I want a good gaming monitor but i also want it to be decent at other things such as video editing and using programs such as SC2 editor. The color works decent and so on?

Thinking of this at first Acer 24" Predator GN246HL. It isnt super expensive and its an upgrade from my 7-8 years old monitor now which is low resolution+60hz.
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 06 2016 11:26 GMT
#1913
Got my xl2411z, and I'm running it at 144hz in csgo with blur reduction on, and using the blur busters strobe utility, and the first bar is set to about 1.5ms, didn't touch the other.
Rest of the setup, is as I can remember:
- installed monitor driver
- AMA high
- blur reduction ON
- digital vibrance to 100% in nvidia
- a custom ICC
- put "-freq 144" in csgo launcher option

I'm not sure I'm running it optimal, I want as little blur as possible. Have I forgot something?
I have not bothered with:
- forums.blurbusters.com - VT tweaking
- custom resolution as described in this yt video xl2411z advanced settings guide

Should I push my settings further and try grasp the "not bothered with" part?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-06 20:17:04
April 06 2016 18:42 GMT
#1914
I'm not sure I'm running it optimal, I want as little blur as possible. Have I forgot something?


The brightness and the eye tracking motion blur are both directly proportional to strobe length - longer strobe = more brightness, more motion blur.

That first bar (the 1.5ms) should adjust the strobe length and go from about 0.5ms to 4ms, while the second bar (IIRC, have not seen the program for a while) is probably the one that adjusts the timing to change some artifacts and mildly affect input lag.

- digital vibrance to 100% in nvidia


That messes up colors quite a lot :0
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
crappen
Profile Joined April 2010
Norway1546 Posts
April 07 2016 12:44 GMT
#1915
On April 07 2016 03:42 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
I'm not sure I'm running it optimal, I want as little blur as possible. Have I forgot something?


The brightness and the eye tracking motion blur are both directly proportional to strobe length - longer strobe = more brightness, more motion blur.

That first bar (the 1.5ms) should adjust the strobe length and go from about 0.5ms to 4ms, while the second bar (IIRC, have not seen the program for a while) is probably the one that adjusts the timing to change some artifacts and mildly affect input lag.

Show nested quote +
- digital vibrance to 100% in nvidia


That messes up colors quite a lot :0


I find the color quite good now ^^ I put it at 100% cause friberg.. Thought that was a thing to do.

Do you know anything about people using settings at 120hz with 1502 fix? The settings can be seen here in this blurbuster thread. They are making a custom resolution.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
April 07 2016 15:20 GMT
#1916
I find the color quite good now ^^ I put it at 100% cause friberg.. Thought that was a thing to do.


I've seen a few people do it but it's one of those settings that completely ruins any sense of calibration. Not worth it at all IMO.

Do you know anything about people using settings at 120hz with 1502 fix? The settings can be seen here in this blurbuster thread. They are making a custom resolution.


have heard about that stuff but don't know much about it since i don't use that monitor
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Incognoto
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
France10239 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-07 20:00:51
April 07 2016 19:59 GMT
#1917
edit: nvm

so you're using digital something from nvidia to fix colors?
maru lover forever
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20285 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-04-07 21:57:50
April 07 2016 21:57 GMT
#1918
It just blows up all colors. Some people like it for undersaturated stuff like counterstrike
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
DarkNetHunter
Profile Joined October 2012
1224 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-02 18:48:17
May 02 2016 15:42 GMT
#1919
Hi guys,

I am looking to get a new 24" monitor and wondered if anyone has recommendations for a budget option? (around 200€, prefer amazon.de as retailer) I would like to get as much performance out of it as possible at 1080p, for both gaming and viewing shows/movies. I prefer monitors with good response times as I'll be playing CSGO and Smash on whatever I pick.

Desktop considerations:
CPU: Intel® Core™ i5-6600K
GPU: SAPPHIRE NITRO Radeon™ R9 390 8G

Edit: I've been kind of getting feeback elsewhere that shelling out an additional 100€ or so will give me sig. more options, is this true?

One of the monitors I'm considering is the:
BenQ XL2411Z, 24" , but at 277€ I wasn' considering it before in the range I was looking.

Any thoughts on this?

Learn from the mistakes of others. You can't live long enough to make them all yourself.
issh
Profile Joined January 2011
Netherlands96 Posts
Last Edited: 2016-05-02 19:27:46
May 02 2016 19:27 GMT
#1920
I recommend using VibranceGUI if you want the saturation for CS, it only puts the vibrance to 100% ingame, as soon as you tab out it calibrates back to your own settings.

PS: http://vibrancegui.com/
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