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I'm looking to get a new monitor(along with my new computer). I currently have a dual monitor setup, and would be replacing 1 of them(I sadly don't have room for 3, and my second monitor is just used for IMs and browsers). My current monitors are both ASUS VH242H, which I got about 5 years ago.
My budget is around 500-600 CAD, and I'd likely get a 24(though 27 is possible) inch monitor. My specs are a skylake i5, and a 980 ti(I'm not sure if the other specs matter).
I've been thinking of getting something like BenQ XL2420G, which is right up at the higher end of my budget, but I'm really not sure if it's worth the money. It seems like if I got a similar monitor without gsync, I'd be paying about half the price. I don't really know too much about monitors(only what I read in the initial post), so I'm looking for advice with what monitor to get.
I'll be using the monitor to game and code mostly. I'd love to hear suggestions of what I should get, or if gsync is worth the price bump.
thanks for any help! 
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United Kingdom20299 Posts
Leaning towards TN since sometimes my girlfriend watches me play so greater viewing angles would be nice.
It's IPS that has the good viewing angles
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As my luck with screens continues, my monitor seems to die soon aswell. Is the statement towards the Eizo Foris FG2421-BK still up to date or is there something better already?
The FG2421-BK would cost me about 400€ over here. My arguments for getting it would be the high image-quality, acceptable viewing angles as well as it only being 23.5" as I am not so keen on huge screens for gaming (24" is the absolute max that I find usefull). I know that there are some problems regarding dead/malfunctioning pixels, but I would get it from a vendor where they test the display for a small fee or possily find a vendor where they do it for free.
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I was thinking of making a jump to 4k gaming. Regarding the monitor I am at a lost as to which is good value and reliable, is it realistic to go for 5ms input lag? I suppose for competitive games where that matters I can use my 2nd monitor if needs be. People have complained about tint issues and trying to get 60 Hz to work on the monitor settings because it defaults to 30hz when it is a 60 Hz monitor. Also people have dual monitor issues in the monitor setup and tint issues.
Anyone got any experience or good buy suggestions. Ive done some research and it seems ticking all the boxes can be quite hard.
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On October 16 2015 04:37 Dunmer wrote:
I was thinking of making a jump to 4k gaming. Regarding the monitor I am at a lost as to which is good value and reliable, is it realistic to go for 5ms input lag? I suppose for competitive games where that matters I can use my 2nd monitor if needs be. People have complained about tint issues and trying to get 60 Hz to work on the monitor settings because it defaults to 30hz when it is a 60 Hz monitor. Also people have dual monitor issues in the monitor setup and tint issues.
Anyone got any experience or good buy suggestions. Ive done some research and it seems ticking all the boxes can be quite hard.
I recently made the jump to 4k and did a fair amount of research so I might be able to help answer a few things.
For input lag you need to read reviews because the listed response times have to do with pixel response times which does not necessarily correlate to input lag. I think (assume) Input lag has a lot to do with the scaler used in the panel, so going with a gysnc/freesync monitor will help with that due to having a higher quality scaler in the case of freesync or the gsync module replacing the scaler.
Tint issues would be for TN monitors most likely. I would not buy a 4k TN monitor personally because the rationale for a 4k display for me was having a beautiful image and TN doesn't make the cut in my estimation. PLS/IPS all the way.
Regarding the 30hz-60hz concerns I think that was more of a problem with the earlier generation of 4k display's in which many would split the screen and then use 2 HDMI cables to render the image, the older HDMI standards don't support 4k@60fps either so you need to make sure your GPU has a display port or HDMI 2.0 output.
About dual monitor support. I am currently running dual monitors. One is a 24 Inch PLS 4k Monitor, the other is a 24 Inch PLS 1080P monitor.
The scaling between them is fine and got a lot better with windows 10, dragging apps and windows between monitors re-scales the sizing and the only issues are
1.) When you drag a window between the monitors and leave it in the middle which will cause the window to look huge in my 1080 display. The solution to this is just dragging it back to one of the display's which re-scales it.
2.) Some apps and interfaces can look really small when you first start out. This is improving all the time however. After a while I stopped noticing it and due to having really great pixel density and sitting close-ish to my screen these apps were never unreadable or unusable.
TL;DR
I would aim for:
PLS/IPS
Good Reviews/Freesync/Gsync
That you can connect it via Display port or HDMI 2.0
The size of the display matches your needs in terms of viewing distances.
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United Kingdom20299 Posts
I was thinking of making a jump to 4k gaming. Regarding the monitor I am at a lost as to which is good value and reliable, is it realistic to go for 5ms input lag?
You're confusing "response time" and "input lag" which are two different things. Response time refers to the time that it takes pixels to change color, usually the listed value is for grey to grey transitions.
Input lag is the total sum of time between giving an input like a mouse movement and having it shown on screen. Pixel response time contributes to that but it is only one thing in a huge chain of events that make up input lag. It also creates blurring/ghosting on moving objects.
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Any 60hz screen, even one with infinitely fast pixel transitions and zero lag from scaling and such will add at least 16.67ms of max input lag because the screen only refreshes every 16.67ms. Technically on average you'll have to wait half a refresh (8.34ms) but you could wait 0.1ms or 16.6ms before having the input start to be refreshed on screen, depending on which point the screen refresh was at when the new frame with the input data is ready to be shown
That's a large part of the reason why realistically targettable input lag is ~20-25ms for 144hz and 10ms higher for 60hz (~1.45x laggier on 60hz) on optimized systems, and also why a system with a 60hz screen will have a notably wider variance of input lag than someone with a significantly higher refresh rate monitor.
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okay so this is really wierd. I have a 24 inch LG monitor that I really like, 24M47H-P
Every time flash player switches video (like in a playlist or from an ad to a video), or I go in/out of Fullscreen, a setting in the monitor is flipped called "Black Level" to HIGH. this will not happen if flash is running in the background, only if its up in the browser or full screen.
"Black Level" has HIGH and LOW. High is just ungodly grey for all the blacks, and looks totally flushed. I would prefer it always on low, but like i said any time flash does a video switch or goes from full screen, it turns the monitor to HIGH "black level"
now, in settings, its still says low. But if I go in manually and set it to high, then back to low, it fixes it. So basically, I do this like 500 times a night.
How is this even possible? and yes, it took me like a week to determine exactly what was WRONG with my monitor, why it was so bright, and why it seemed to keep going back to being bright. out of like 30 totally redundant and unnecessary menu settings, i'm quite proud that I found it at all.
otherwise i love the monitor and would like to keep it. any words of wisdom? thanks!
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United Kingdom20299 Posts
Is that a hardware setting on your monitor? If it is, i don't see how flash could interact with it.. maybe the monitor seeing your screen being a certain way/color and triggering the setting automatically?
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On October 16 2015 15:54 Cyro wrote:
Is that a hardware setting on your monitor? If it is, i don't see how flash could interact with it.. maybe the monitor seeing your screen being a certain way/color and triggering the setting automatically?
Yeah that seems to be what's happening. That is what confused me too. I can literally toggle this "black level" by going into fullscreen flash (twitch or youtube) ... then the only way to get it off is to use the menu buttons. So crazy. Maybe it has something to do with that moment that the screen is black in the transition, I don't know.
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Hey guys...I was just wondering if I would be able to use 2 flat screen TV's as dual monitors instead of buying two monitors.
The reason why I am asking is my GF is looking at monitors around the 32-34" range and the price is actually around $200 higher per monitor than it would be for a 1080i/p TV
Anyone know if this is possible or if it would be a good/bad idea? She's just got 1 GTX 970 graphics card btw.
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United Kingdom20299 Posts
You could, but 32-34" 1080p is very awful pixel density, will look terrible if it's 2 feet away and not 8 feet away like everyone designs TV's for.
TV's have very different priorities to PC monitors - you'd have to look model to model and find one that has been tested and does not have excessive input lag (that does NOT mean low "response time", input lag is something else). Even then it's something that i think might be good to use for a secondary but not a primary monitor
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On October 20 2015 07:49 Cyro wrote:
You could, but 32-34" 1080p is very awful pixel density, will look terrible if it's 2 feet away and not 8 feet away like everyone designs TV's for.
TV's have very different priorities to PC monitors - you'd have to look model to model and find one that has been tested and does not have excessive input lag (that does NOT mean low "response time", input lag is something else). Even then it's something that i think might be good to use for a secondary but not a primary monitor
Dang...alright thanks for the info. I appreciate it.
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United Kingdom20299 Posts
Probably the reason for price gap is very low focus on ~32-34" 1080p desktop displays, the normal pixel density displays are all around ~22-27" for 1080p. Many of the cheap 1080p displays are ~22".
I think it's worth spending a bit above the worst for monitors to get a decent panel and stand at least, having used several monitors from low-high end. They can also last a long time, my secondary monitor has seen daily use for about 10-12 years
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Do you guys think there is any point in going beyond 1080p for monitors?
I have some money to spare to upgrade some of my hardware. I currently have one 1920x1080 21inch monitor and a tiny side monitor that is square and around 18 inch. I am considering getting rid of my square monitor, get a new (good) monitor, and use my current 1080p monitor vertically as a secondary monitor.
No, I don't really need those crazy tri-monitor setups for gaming or anything like that. I am mostly interested in using them for work.
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What's your budget and are you going to use it for gaming?
Personally if you're into it, a nice 1080p144 monitor is nice. There may be arguments for getting a nice 1440p panel though.. not sure? Depends on what you want. I would consider Korean monitors
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On October 26 2015 05:44 Incognoto wrote:
What's your budget and are you going to use it for gaming?
Personally if you're into it, a nice 1080p144 monitor is nice. There may be arguments for getting a nice 1440p panel though.. not sure? Depends on what you want. I would consider Korean monitors
Anything around 200-400 is probably acceptable for me. Although honestly I usually think about what I want / what are out there in conjunction with budget instead of setting a budget from the get-go: if there is something out there that is good, I will consider getting it.
I've been using a Thunderbolt monitor at work lately - it's 27 inch, 1440p, and simply a pleasure to use for work purposes. I don't use mac at home so I obviously don't want that kind of monitor in particular, but I am thinking of getting something similar (maybe not 27 inch, but at least bigger than 21).
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Resolution > refresh rate for text based usage so if you are going to be working on it a lot buy the best high res monitor in your budget.
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Russian Federation26 Posts
I am about to buy Benq XL2420G. Does g-sync functions well with sc2?
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United Kingdom20299 Posts
On November 09 2015 03:40 Candino wrote:
I am about to buy Benq XL2420G. Does g-sync functions well with sc2?
I have heard that it's excellent for sc2 because the game engine is very bad and unsmooth but i have not seen it myself yet
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I have a weird problem with my new monitor. There are some greyish lines visible on my monitor, I wasn’t able to photograph them, but they look kind of like this:
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/z6UOgpj.png)
They form rows slightly diagonal across the screen in multiple positions. Also the pixels there seem to react slower when scrolling etc.. I assume something is wrong with my screen, but I would like to know if there is a special term for it.
Also, if this truly is a defective, I also would consider warning people about the Eizo fg2421 at this point. Would been the third one in a row to send back because of some defect.(Others head dead pixels in the fucking centre of the screen… how about quality control? The actual one also features a dead sub-pixel. What the hell happened to Eizo? It used to be expensive, but you get what you pay for. I should not have to send 3 400€ monitors back, just to (hopefully) finally receive one that doesn’t have any fault. Am I supposed to order a bunch so I can check them all out and keep the good one? Shame on you Eizo…
EDIT: So I am not sure, but it might be so called "cross hatching", so the coating seems fucked up. Since I couldn't find anything about that in their warranty-section, I assume it is not covered. Lucky me can still return it though. Still extremely disappointed... I fucking love this screen. Size is perfect, image quality and everything else is just lovely, but why can't I get one non-faulty model 
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