http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/mystreams.php

You normally get to that page by yourself by looking around "site settings" in the top left of the page where you see your user name.

cLutZ

United States19574 Posts

September 13 2013 22:26 GMT

#7682

On September 13 2013 14:53 Ropid wrote:
I bet that's the same crashes I had. I also have a GTX 560 Ti. There were serious problems with 320.xx drivers. 326.80 also seemed suspicious. 314.22 works fine.

For anyone with issues and this (or any Nvidia Geforce) card, this seems to have worked miracles.

Sporadic44

United States533 Posts

September 13 2013 22:40 GMT

#7683

I'm helping my friend build a new rig and had a few questions regarding its components and how it all fits together. Here's what we have so far.

Build

He's using it mostly for gaming. CPU, are we paying too much for that? Would it be better to go with a cheaper I7 over the I5? Is the power supply sufficient? And is the video card overkill for the CPU's capability. Is there anything about this build thats incompatible?

Any type of input on this build would be greatly appreciated. Thanks in advance.

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

September 13 2013 22:53 GMT

#7684

On September 14 2013 07:40 Sporadic44 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

You may want to use the other thread: http://www.teamliquid.net/forum/viewmessage.php?topic_id=426532

In short, the build is pretty bad.

Why get the 3rd generation core processors when 4th generation is all around better for $10 more or in some cases, the same price. An i7 is more expensive than an i5 so do you mean the i3 over the i5 or something else entirely?

What's with a $200 mATX motherboard when your case isn't even mATX? There are significantly less expensive ATX motherboards that would probably be more than fine for your friend's overclocking.

32GB SSD is worthless.

You're missing a heatsink for overclocking.

Memory is expensive. Newegg has tons of memory sales right now, you can get 2400MHz for like $63.

Power supply is sufficient.

scott31337

United States2979 Posts

September 13 2013 22:54 GMT

#7685

Don't get a 32MB SSD-it's way too small. 60Gb would be the MINIMUM I would even think about starting with, and every one of my machines have them. -Edit SkyR sums it up better.

Olferen

United States39 Posts

September 14 2013 01:16 GMT

#7686

@Ropid

Are you suggesting a motherboard like this will help with overclocking?

http://www.gigabyte.com/products/product-page.aspx?pid=4489#sp

I also found this:

http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-Z87X-UD4H-Desktop-Motherboard-LGA-1150/dp/B00CU4L508/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1379121596&sr=8-5&keywords=z87

along with this

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-4570-Quad-Core-Processor-BX80646I54570/dp/B00CO8TA4I/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1379121774&sr=8-1&keywords=Core i5-4570

I have a stupid question, but does the heatsink come with the processor or do I have to buy it myself?

Cyro

United Kingdom20321 Posts

September 14 2013 01:27 GMT

#7687

z87x-d3h is goto board for haswell overclocking IMO, and a stock heatsink comes with the processor, but it will overheat with stress tests on stock settings and run hot for a lot of other stuff, for OC you're pretty much looking to get something a lot better, and you're heat limited a lot with haswell

Ropid

Germany3557 Posts

September 14 2013 04:57 GMT

#7688

@Olferen:

An overview:

H87/B85/H81 chipset boards can't do overclocking. You pair those boards with i5-4670 or i5-4570 or lower. You buy 1600MHz RAM.

Z87 board, you pair with i5-4670k. You can use RAM with faster speeds (it doesn't do much, so don't pay a lot more).

The power use of the CPU increases with the voltage. You will increase voltage to get the CPU stable when overclocking. The parts on the motherboard that work on supplying the CPU power will get hotter.

On the new Intel CPUs with normal cooling, you don't add a lot of voltage when overclocking, so you don't have to worry much about a cheaper board having problems.

When comparing those two boards you are looking at, I would try that Z87-HD3 if you don't need the extra features on the Z87X-UD4H. If you search around and wait a bit, you might stumble upon an attractive deal for that Z87X-D3H with similar price to the normal Z87-HD3 price.

Olferen

United States39 Posts

September 14 2013 06:06 GMT

#7689

So just to clarify.

This processor:
http://www.amazon.com/Intel-i5-4670K-Quad-Core-Desktop-Processor/dp/B00CO8TBOW/ref=pd_bxgy_pc_text_y

Pairs well with this MOBO:
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-GA-Z87X-UD4H-Desktop-Motherboard-LGA-1150/dp/B00CU4L508/ref=sr_1_5?ie=UTF8&qid=1379121596&sr=8-5&keywords=z87&tag=tealiq-20

It allows for overclocking and good room for upgrades later in the future?

Cyro

United Kingdom20321 Posts

September 14 2013 06:09 GMT

#7690

Yea, but there's no reason to buy the ud4h over the z87x-d3h.. and the picture of the mobo on that site is a d3h or ud3h, not a ud4h. Be careful because there were some glitches on amazon recently with the ud4h, displaying ud4h specs, title etc, where people got shipped other motherboards

Olferen

United States39 Posts

September 14 2013 06:15 GMT

#7691

So, this motherboard:
http://www.amazon.com/Gigabyte-1150-HDMI-Motherboard-GA-Z87X-D3H/dp/B00CU4L4NQ/ref=dp_return_1?ie=UTF8&n=541966&s=pc

Is better than my previous choice? May I ask why?

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

September 14 2013 06:22 GMT

#7692

It's not better than the UD4H but it saves you money because you probably don't understand what you're paying for with the UD4H and thus you don't need it.

Olferen

United States39 Posts

September 14 2013 06:31 GMT

#7693

I know I don't understand, that's why I'm asking. I'm wondering if investing a little more money will increase the longevity.

Craton

United States17264 Posts

September 14 2013 06:47 GMT

#7694

Unlikely.

Cyro

United Kingdom20321 Posts

September 14 2013 09:11 GMT

#7695

My RAM (2x4gb @1.55v) is reading as over 30 watts usage in linpack pulling 200gflops, is this normal?

edit: I've only seen it at like 15 before and it's 10 idle, that's why it freaked me out a little, but then again, linpack makes my CPU pull 115 watts at 1.1vcore so it's understandable it hits RAM a bit pushing that many gflops, and also it seems to be an excellent quick RAM stress test, i've never passed a 6144MB run with avx2 linpack and then discovered instability elsewhere in terms of RAM timings, so i was just etc changing a timing and throwing it in linpack for a few minutes, but 30w @1.55v, ouch. Surely that's gotta hurt with higher voltage RAM? People run like 1.8v on haswell to enable higher clocks at good timings with many RAM IC's, but what kind of power load can they take? 50+w on ddr3 scares me, hell 30w seems pretty dangerous with no heatspreaders or active cooling of any kind on these little things

Avx1 linpack pulls ~18w which is a figure i'm much more comfortable with (so it scales pretty much linearly, gflops to power usage) but this feels super super dangerous particularly to RAM overclockers. I'm really glad i was at 1.55v and not 1.65, people told me higher was fine on samsung and not to worry about heat because RAM only got hot at higher voltages, but pulling 1.7x as much power (over 33w peak, over 30 average) as the test standards that people were using for ivy bridge (avx1 IBT) is really scary

Ropid

Germany3557 Posts

September 14 2013 10:10 GMT

#7696

Here's what my Z77 board's sensors record about the various parts of the VRM: http://i.imgur.com/glgfL9p.png

RAM voltage is set to 1.520V, speed is 1866MHz. It's 5W when doing things on the desktop, about 7W to 9W while IBT is doing its thing.

Those max 11W actually happened when running a memory benchmark:

http://i.imgur.com/j7tIwnm.png

Cyro

United Kingdom20321 Posts

September 14 2013 10:15 GMT

#7697

You sure that's the RAM VRM? I have a reading specifically for "Total DRAM Power"

It reads 22w when running Maxxmem on 2400mhz 1.55vdimm which is believable to me, but i'm no RAM expert

Samsungs seem pretty good though, i'm down to 2400 10-11-13-36 on only 1.55v (i hear giga board adds a little extra..) and scores pretty awesome at those timings and frequencies

Ropid

Germany3557 Posts

September 14 2013 10:22 GMT

#7698

Here's the highest I can get that reading: http://i.imgur.com/GKLMABS.png

I'm pretty sure that's the correct area to look at for my board. I don't know what Haswell does for RAM. Does the RAM get its power from the integrated stuff inside the CPU and that's where you get your reading from? On Z77 those sensors in my screenshots are from the board and in the various areas of the VRM.

Cyro

United Kingdom20321 Posts

September 14 2013 10:27 GMT

#7699

Does the RAM get its power from the integrated stuff inside the CPU

No, mobo provides VRIN and ram voltage seperately, i'm not sure what else. VRIN goes to vcore, ring, analog and digital io, system agent, maybe one or two other things i'm forgetting

It does seem to be the RAM vr, but why's it reporting 7 watts for me when i have a reading specifically for DRAM power that's reporting 20? 7 watts seems too low, 20 is high but believable i think, i'm not sure what's right for 2400mhz @1.55-1.57v

Ropid

Germany3557 Posts

September 14 2013 10:33 GMT

#7700

Well, I have never seen people talk about the memory's power use, so this is something completely new to me. In what program do you have that power reading for memory?

I just changed the voltages from within Windows with the suspicious overclocking program from the board's manufacturer.

1.52V is max 12.156W with those four memtest instances.
1.57V is max 13.344W.
1.65V is max 14.000W.

Can't find a way to change memory speed from within Windows.