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pcpatchers
Profile Joined August 2013
Australia10 Posts
September 20 2013 11:00 GMT
#7721
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Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20338 Posts
September 20 2013 11:22 GMT
#7722
On September 20 2013 09:25 Gihi wrote:
Thanks for the advice and offer. I'll probably have to take you up on that ^^ I've just finished putting it together and I have yet to see if it boots & install W7 tomorrow.


Dropbox link doesn't work (:
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Gihi
Profile Joined September 2011
384 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 12:30:22
September 20 2013 12:28 GMT
#7723
On September 20 2013 20:22 Cyro wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 20 2013 09:25 Gihi wrote:
Thanks for the advice and offer. I'll probably have to take you up on that ^^ I've just finished putting it together and I have yet to see if it boots & install W7 tomorrow.


Dropbox link doesn't work (:

Weird, I checked to make sure last night. Here's a working link.
A pretty tight fit if u ask me, I have to take the heatsink fan off to install my ram this evening(Using 1600 MHz atm because of a late delivery).

I'm running prime95 as I type this. I used the default overclock settings from my motherboard for now, it's running at 4.3 GHz.
I had around 20-25 degrees while installing drivers etc, it's been running the default prime95 test for 10 minutes now.
Haven't had a core go over 63 degrees. I already tried going to 4.7 before I had an OS installed, it idled at 40 degrees in the bios(Which puts strain on your CPU I think).

Is it safe to go to 4.5 default and run a test?
I'll have it run 24 hours overnight if I figure what clock speed I can get to without cranking up the voltages too much.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20338 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-20 13:00:37
September 20 2013 13:00 GMT
#7724
Don't run auto overclock or p95, wanna talk? Nice build
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 18:58:47
September 21 2013 18:53 GMT
#7725
Any suggestions for a good pci-e (or other plug I guess if applicable, usb, etc.) wifi adapter?

I just got Google Fiber (live in KC, one of the test cities) and my internet speed is being severely limited by my old pci-e wifi card that only has b/g protocol. It says it's 54Mbps max but the tech with his laptop got way faster speeds then I am getting. I'm getting ~2MB/s.
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 19:11:40
September 21 2013 19:11 GMT
#7726
I use one of these. PCI-e x1, 35/10Mb down/up.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166073
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MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
September 21 2013 19:21 GMT
#7727
If you really want to get the full benefit of your Google Fiber, don't use wireless. Plug that right into your motherboard's ethernet port.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17294 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 19:22:42
September 21 2013 19:22 GMT
#7728
Please don't. You lose a lot of security features not using a router.
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
September 21 2013 19:30 GMT
#7729
It's the same connection to the same router... just with a cable instead of wireless.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-21 19:34:37
September 21 2013 19:31 GMT
#7730
On September 22 2013 04:21 MisterFred wrote:
If you really want to get the full benefit of your Google Fiber, don't use wireless. Plug that right into your motherboard's ethernet port.


This isn't an option in my current situation. Well actually, I might only need a 30 ft cord heh. Will consider it...
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
September 21 2013 20:38 GMT
#7731
On September 22 2013 04:11 Craton wrote:
I use one of these. PCI-e x1, 35/10Mb down/up.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833166073


Interesting - wouldn't hurt to have something in-case my wireless bridge (802.11g) goes down (god forbid).
With no power comes no responsibility?
hacklebeast
Profile Blog Joined April 2010
United States5090 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 00:26:40
September 22 2013 00:23 GMT
#7732
There are times when the on-screen visual for my mouse courser breaks. It looks like it was divided by 8 vertical lines and then rearranged in the wrong order. This happens with both the standard icon, and specialty icons in games (such ad dota). When I got to type something, rather than showing the stylized I, there is nothing. How do I fix this? I tried taking a screen shot of it, but the screen shot takes out the mouse.

Edit: I just noticed it occurs only on one of my monitors.
Protoss: Best, Paralyze, Jangbi, Nal_Ra || Terran: Oov, Boxer, Fantasy, Hiya|| Zerg: Yellow, Zero
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
September 22 2013 00:35 GMT
#7733
You should look into your graphics card and its driver for this problem. Try updating drivers. If you are overclocking your graphics card, tweak your overclock settings.

+ Show Spoiler [Reasoning] +
To make sure the mouse pointer does not feel laggy if the PC does something that slows it down, the mouse pointer is drawn separately on top of whatever is happening on the screen by the graphics card. That's also why it's not showing up in screenshots.

For some reason the icon that's loaded into the graphics card is getting corrupted for you. I had that happen when I overclocked my graphics card, and I had that happen with broken graphics card drivers.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Jonoman92
Profile Blog Joined September 2006
United States9110 Posts
September 22 2013 04:17 GMT
#7734
Regarding my earlier post, I'm considering getting this. It's a bit more than some other options, but has good reviews and says it its max speed is 450Mbps rather than 300. Worth it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124477
Gihi
Profile Joined September 2011
384 Posts
September 22 2013 10:11 GMT
#7735
On September 22 2013 13:17 Jonoman92 wrote:
Regarding my earlier post, I'm considering getting this. It's a bit more than some other options, but has good reviews and says it its max speed is 450Mbps rather than 300. Worth it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124477

It's 450 if u put it right next to your modem/router. Consider how far u'll be from it, if I were u I'd take some time to run a cable through the plinths/baseboards.
sc2pal
Profile Joined February 2011
Poland624 Posts
September 22 2013 12:33 GMT
#7736
Hey I have a problem with twitch chat, whenever i get onto some chat and type something in, I get this message:
Sorry, we were unable to connect to chat. Reconnecting in X seconds.
I cleared cache, tried firefox and chrome and looked in google for answers, does anybody have a solution?
Conti
Profile Joined November 2010
Germany2516 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 14:44:39
September 22 2013 14:44 GMT
#7737
Not sure if I put this here or create a new thread:

I want to buy a Nexus 4 on ebay. Will there be an immediate price drop once the Nexus 5 will be announced (which is rumored to be soon)? Or will there only be one once the Nexus 5 is actually available? I have no idea how these things work.

In other words, should I wait with buying a Nexus 4, if so, how long?
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
September 22 2013 15:47 GMT
#7738
On September 22 2013 13:17 Jonoman92 wrote:
Regarding my earlier post, I'm considering getting this. It's a bit more than some other options, but has good reviews and says it its max speed is 450Mbps rather than 300. Worth it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124477

Hey, there's something suspicious about that claim. It's using USB 2.0 to connect to your computer. USB2 simply won't be able to do this! It can only theoretically do 35MB/s = 280mbps. But I don't know how that fits together with WLAN. You already noticed that your current 54mbps WLAN doesn't really do those 54mbps, so who knows.

That PCIe 2.0 x1 card that was suggested to you, that PCIe connection can transmit 500MB/s = 4000mbps to the rest of the PC.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 20:26:19
September 22 2013 16:29 GMT
#7739
On September 23 2013 00:47 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 22 2013 13:17 Jonoman92 wrote:
Regarding my earlier post, I'm considering getting this. It's a bit more than some other options, but has good reviews and says it its max speed is 450Mbps rather than 300. Worth it?

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16833124477

Hey, there's something suspicious about that claim. It's using USB 2.0 to connect to your computer. USB2 simply won't be able to do this! It can only theoretically do 35MB/s = 280mbps. But I don't know how that fits together with WLAN. You already noticed that your current 54mbps WLAN doesn't really do those 54mbps, so who knows.

That PCIe 2.0 x1 card that was suggested to you, that PCIe connection can transmit 500MB/s = 4000mbps to the rest of the PC.

The 54 Mbps link rate means that it sends effectively 54 * 10^6 payload bits / second over the air during a packet transmission. The issue is that it's not transmitting at that rate nonstop because the system needs to back off the air after every transmission to receive the acknowledgment and allow others a chance to start transmitting, and there are some other overheads and frame spacings that need to be accommodated, never mind if anyone else is actually transmitting on the same channel (if they're close enough, it need not even be on your own network to affect you). If there is a packet that doesn't get received, communications needs to go the other way, somebody else is using that frequency and not you, etc., all these things take up transmission time and mean that you're not seeing the middle of a packet transmission for you (at 54 Mbps).

In practice you get say 3.5 MB/s or so with largish packet sizes. It's less with realistic data that includes some shorter packets too. That's because the overheads are largely constant after each packet no matter what its length was. More short packets and you get a lower percentage of time in actual transmissions and a higher percentage spent during acknowledgments, backing off, etc. Likewise, even if close enough (pretty close) to use the 450 Mbps link rate and not have errors, you're not going to get close to 56.25 MB/s. In other words, USB2 isn't necessarily a bottleneck or at least not much of one.

USB2's signalling rate is 480 Mbps; that 35 MB/s quoted is around what you can effectively get of actual data transfer rate.


If the device quotes a max speed of 450 Mbps, that means it can do 3 spatial streams on 802.11n. If the device on the other end also supports 3 or more spatial streams, then that's a slight advantage over the other device (at max 300 Mbps, that means it can only do 2 spatial streams). Yes, it's an advantage even if you're far enough away that you can't even get the max 450 Mbps link rate—best-case scenario, you'd be looking at connecting at say 270 Mbps rather than 180 Mbps or something like that.

Note that your router needs to support 802.11n and also 3 spatial streams (it needs to cite support for at least 450 Mbps) to get the advantage.

Also, in practice, I'd be more worried about getting something with drivers that aren't bad and decent customer reviews than counting spatial streams or anything else like that. Also, unless you like moving your box around to get better reception, something where you can position the antennas easily may be better. Having antennas close to the ground and also blocked by a metal box aren't great ideas, you know.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-09-22 19:02:46
September 22 2013 19:02 GMT
#7740
@Myrmidon

Holy crap that post explained so much wifi marketing bull that I knew intuitively - but I never understood where the numbers came from. Thank you very much.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
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