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Northern Ireland461 Posts
On November 22 2013 01:05 L3gendary wrote:
Thanks guys, so basically there's nothing special about windows sensitivity if I'm understanding correctly? 75%-90% of my current speed would be perfect so if were to use the settings in chaos launcher or mcalauncher for BW and then set the value there or say in SC2 set it to around 40%, it's really no different than setting 5/11 in windows? So theres no ideal way to set sensitivity without scaling by whole numbers?
Set windows slider to 6/11, turn mouse acceleration off, disable in game sensitivity and adjust DPI to suit your taste.
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If you're looking for 75-90% of 1150.. kinda out of luck, not gonna get it with 6/11, 5/11 is a little awkward to use though you can use it (skips every fourth count) and 4/11 is way slower (0.5x)
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I would like 75% of 450 or 1150/3. I don't understand why manufacturers have such drastic scaling in dpi settings. Wouldn't it make more sense to allow say 1600/2000/2400 and then allow the user to set 1/2 or 1/4 of that in windows. But some mice have 400/800/1600 or 450/900/1800 which doesn't allow any fine tuning since they are doubles of each other already. I guess it's just easier for them to implement?
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On November 22 2013 01:56 L3gendary wrote:
I would like 75% of 450 or 1150/3. I don't understand why manufacturers have such drastic scaling in dpi settings. Wouldn't it make more sense to allow say 1600/2000/2400 and then allow the user to set 1/2 or 1/4 of that in windows. But some mice have 400/800/1600 or 450/900/1800 which doesn't allow any fine tuning since they are doubles of each other already. I guess it's just easier for them to implement?
The Windows settings that does 75% is 5/11. That one feels a little bit off to me. I don't know if I imagine that. If you draw one pixel wide lines in Paint, you'll see those lines look a bit shitty.
I'd suggest 2300 dpi and 4/11 for an end result that's like 1150 dpi, then just practice to get comfortable with that.
You shouldn't feel bad about the mice not having many options. The laser mice do have those options you want, but they don't actually have better sensors. It's instead basically the same technology as in optical mice (just with a laser as light source), and a lot of software and math on top. The processing they do will introduce some latency compared to your mouse. They need to average your movement over time to be accurate.
It's the same with optical mice that allow very high dpi or a lot of custom dpi steps. The sensor actually only does something fixed and very low like 400 dpi (or 800?). The rest is done in software.
+ Show Spoiler +There's also Philips Twin Eye (PTE). That sensor supposedly uses something completely different to determine movement, not really a camera taking pictures. That sensor does not just use the laser as a light source. It uses physics involving the laser beam itself.
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On November 22 2013 02:31 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 22 2013 01:56 L3gendary wrote:
I would like 75% of 450 or 1150/3. I don't understand why manufacturers have such drastic scaling in dpi settings. Wouldn't it make more sense to allow say 1600/2000/2400 and then allow the user to set 1/2 or 1/4 of that in windows. But some mice have 400/800/1600 or 450/900/1800 which doesn't allow any fine tuning since they are doubles of each other already. I guess it's just easier for them to implement? The Windows settings that does 75% is 5/11. That one feels a little bit off to me. I don't know if I imagine that. If you draw one pixel wide lines in Paint, you'll see those lines look a bit shitty. I'd suggest 2300 dpi and 4/11 for an end result that's like 1150 dpi, then just practice to get comfortable with that. You shouldn't feel bad about the mice not having many options. The laser mice do have those options you want, but they don't actually have better sensors. It's instead basically the same technology as in optical mice (just with a laser as light source), and a lot of software and math on top. The processing they do will introduce some latency compared to your mouse. They need to average your movement over time to be accurate. It's the same with optical mice that allow very high dpi or a lot of custom dpi steps. The sensor actually only does something fixed and very low like 400 dpi (or 800?). The rest is done in software. + Show Spoiler +There's also Philips Twin Eye (PTE). That sensor supposedly uses something completely different to determine movement, not really a camera taking pictures. That sensor does not just use the laser as a light source. It uses physics involving the laser beam itself. Mouse technology tbh hasn't really made much progress in the last decade (skylit would be proud of me :D). PTE is about the biggest development in that time, and it has it's own problems, though perhaps not for strictly rts players. The reason you feel like 5/11 is off is because its an inconsistent step. Every 3 counts the last two are counted as essentially one because windows only will register whole units (funny that), so if you're very sensitive you could feel a small amount of fluctuation in the cursor movement.
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+ Show Spoiler +1. What's your grip style?
I use a variation of claw grip. It's a long story, but due to a medical condition I have shifted my grip to the right, meaning I use my middle finger to left click, and ring finger to right click.
2. What's your sensitivity?
low, medium, or high (distance/360º rotation)
I feel like I'm a low-sensitivity user, my motions tend to be done with my wrist and fingers, not my whole arm.
3. What's your maximum budget?
$100
4. Do you want additional buttons?
I do. I currently use an MX518. I'd like a new mouse specifically because the side buttons have broken and all my efforts to fix them have failed. I would prefer to not have too many though; those mice for MMO's with like 20 buttons are overkill.
5. What games do you play?
Mostly relatively slow-paced games, such as Red Orchestra, War Thunder, and Men of War. I do also play TF2.
6. Do you mind angle snapping?
I do not.
7. Other relevant information:
I use a cloth mousepad, prefer wired over wireless, or at least the option to use it while its plugged in. I also really like the weight of the MX518. The weight of the mouse helps keep me precise, I feel.
Thanks in advance TL. I read through some of the guides to mouse technology and it blows my mind. Way more complicated than I ever would have guessed.
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Logitech G400s? Same shape as the MX518, but with upgraded internals.
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I currently use a logitech g500, but I feel like the mouse is way too big and causes my hand to hurt. I've been researching the zowie mico, and it seems great for the size and price, but the max dpi is 1600. With my g500, I use the max dpi setting which is supposedly 5600 dpi, with windows sensitivity on 6 and sc2 sens 51%. The 1600 dpi seems kind of slow... will there be a way I can keep the same speed with the mico while maintaining the 1:1 mouse movement ratio I have now?
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With my g500, I use the max dpi setting which is supposedly 5600 dpi, with windows sensitivity on 6 and sc2 sens 51%.
..Do you have "enhance pointer precision" on? What's your screen resolution?
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On November 25 2013 22:19 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +With my g500, I use the max dpi setting which is supposedly 5600 dpi, with windows sensitivity on 6 and sc2 sens 51%. ..Do you have "enhance pointer precision" on? What's your screen resolution?
No, and my screen resolution is 1680 x 1050. Maybe I'm not at max dpi though.. is there a way to check exactly what it's on? Sorry I am a mouse noob -_-
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You can measure how far you have to move the mouse to cross your screen, if it's 1 inch then you're on 1680dpi. Half an inch, 3360dpi. There's probably some software for the mouse or something though that tells you
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I'm sick of waiting for the Zowie EC1 evo in black to come back into stock. Going to order a 2013 Deathadder tonight, from the reviews I have seen I can't really go wrong.
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Hi, I'm looking for some opinions from people with the G400s. I used a MX500 for literally 10 years before it finally broke, then a MX18 for ~3 years, and recently bought a G400. It only lasted 6 months though so I'm a little wary of just buying another G400s.
I love the design since I've been using basically the same mouse for 14 years but it really seems like they are getting cheaper with each model. I'm a little concerned about the finish on the G400s too since it looks weird in pictures.
So, anyone with a G400s that can tell me how it compares to MX518 or G400 as far as feel? Also, is the wire any sturdier than the G400?
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On November 26 2013 00:51 Shottaz wrote:
I'm sick of waiting for the Zowie EC1 evo in black to come back into stock. Going to order a 2013 Deathadder tonight, from the reviews I have seen I can't really go wrong.
Some people seem disappointed with the Deathadder 2013 compared to the previous version. Its sensor does some sort of smoothing for movements to be able to provide the higher DPI. You can still get the older sensor in some places if you choose the Deathadder "black edition".
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Indeed it is a worry for the Rival too, it's a shame that hardware companies are willing to sacrifice performance on their flagship parts for useless marketing fluff. 3k or even 2k dpi is excessive - for a triple screen 2560x1440 setup - we don't need 6.4k.
Who wants to cross their entire screen in 0.3 inches of movement? It's terrible for accuracy, it's terrible for wrist health. My best accuracy is around an entire order of magnitude (0.1x) that sens, i can see why people might want to use two or even three times my sens - but not more.
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Wait, so providing I dont need silly DPI I should just get the older DA?
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On November 26 2013 04:31 Ropid wrote:Show nested quote +On November 26 2013 00:51 Shottaz wrote:
I'm sick of waiting for the Zowie EC1 evo in black to come back into stock. Going to order a 2013 Deathadder tonight, from the reviews I have seen I can't really go wrong. Some people seem disappointed with the Deathadder 2013 compared to the previous version. Its sensor does some sort of smoothing for movements to be able to provide the higher DPI. You can still get the older sensor in some places if you choose the Deathadder "black edition".
Have they ironed out the jitters in their (forced?) synapse drivers?
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Hmm I've been thinking about getting a zowie mico. Right now I've had the previous model DA for a while, and it feels really comfortable and works quite well.
The only issues are that 1) I have rather small hands and since the DA is a medium/large(?) palm grip mouse, sometimes I wonder whether my hand is a ltitle too small (it still feels comfortable though); and 2) I think my natural grip as far as gaming is more of a claw/fingertip kind of a grip, so when I game with the deathadder, things feel a bit off. On the other hand, the palmed grip just feels really really nice. I've been using it for a couple of years and it's great, but I've never been able to shake the feeling that I'm a little imprecise with the mouse, and it feels just slightly "off" when I'm playing games, like the control isn't as tight as it was with the small/claw grip cheapo mouse I had before.
Would it be worth getting the zowie mico? Also, would gaming with a claw/fingertip grip on a smaller mouse like that put more strain on my wrist and render me more prone to injuring myself? :X Thanks!!
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So I've narrowed my choice of mice down to 2 mice
1) Zowie FK
+Love the shape, the Sensei/Kinzu shape is amazing and this improves on it
+It's a Zowie so you know it's good
+Great sensor
+only 85g, I have wrist problems so I need a very light mouse
-Costs a lot
-Can't buy online in Canada unless through Ebay
-1150 dpi step only and it's not native. I play at 800.
2) Roccat Savu
+Perfect Sensor
+800 dpi step which is what I use
+Shape looks great
+Inexpensive
+good built quality
+can buy it in Canada which means I can return it + get warranty
-90g which is a bit heavy
-It seems to have a really high back
-Roccat not as proven as Zowie
Thoughts?
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On November 26 2013 03:05 adriftt wrote:
Hi, I'm looking for some opinions from people with the G400s. I used a MX500 for literally 10 years before it finally broke, then a MX18 for ~3 years, and recently bought a G400. It only lasted 6 months though so I'm a little wary of just buying another G400s.
I love the design since I've been using basically the same mouse for 14 years but it really seems like they are getting cheaper with each model. I'm a little concerned about the finish on the G400s too since it looks weird in pictures.
So, anyone with a G400s that can tell me how it compares to MX518 or G400 as far as feel? Also, is the wire any sturdier than the G400?
They all feel the same since Logitech has used the same shell in god knows when. The shell looks glossy but its a little bit coarse so you get a bit of grip. I personally think it feels and looks better than the MX518 (I never got a G400 because of angle snapping or whatever the issue were with them).
But I can certainly say that the cable is a bit of a worry still. It does inspire a lot of confidence pulling it out of the box as it seems to be pretty thin (quick guess would be 18 AWG) and seems more fragile than my old Microsoft optical mouse.
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