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YipMan
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
All these systems should use 200 MHz FSB. If the CPU is running at the specified multiplier, it's running the proper speed. I think. I've never tried running such a configuration nor really followed people attempting to do an upgrade like this. | ||
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niteReloaded
Croatia5282 Posts
What should he upgrade to get better performance in games? 3year old comp dual core amd procesor 3.0 3 GB ram n vidia ge force 9600 gt 512MB I know this is not the most specific info, but maybe it's already obvious for you? | ||
Womwomwom
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.aspx?AID=10273954&PID=4003003&SID=11h8yj9kv3mo7 | ||
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Ata
Canada356 Posts
On January 14 2012 22:30 MisterFred wrote: Well that was quick. Crucial M4 firmware updated to remove their 5184-hour bug. Actually kind of counts as a reliability plus in my book, fixing it so fast. Crucial SSD firmware page: http://www.crucial.com/support/firmware.aspx?AID=10273954&PID=4003003&SID=11h8yj9kv3mo7 Thx for the update | ||
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Adruien
Turkey3 Posts
What is your budget? around 1000 $ - 1200 $ What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What is your upgrade cycle? Possibly ever year. When do you plan on building it? Today. İ mean this month, i want it to be in my hands. Do you plan on overclocking ? No i don't. Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No not now. Maybe later in the future Where are you buying your parts from? http://www.hepsiburada.com/liste/bilgisayar-bilesenleri/department.aspx?CategoryId=8 http://www.novabilgisayar.com/pc.asp Any help will be appreciated thanks =) | ||
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
SSD: Crucial m4 SSD 128GB CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K CPU cooler: Thermalright HR-02 Macho GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti OC Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced USB 3.0 windowed PSU: be quiet! Straight Power E9 500W RAM: 8 GB DDR3 RAM (whatever is cheapest where I'm gonna buy it) HDD: Western Digital Caviar Green 1 TB At first I thought about getting the ASRock Z68 Pro3 but it doesn't have internal USB 3.0 so I wouldn't be able to connect the front USB ports. The MSI Z68A-G45 (B3) might be a decent alternative but I've heard that MSI boards have relatively poor quality. Any recommendations for a good Z68 board around 100€? | ||
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MisterFred
United States2033 Posts
I'm fairly ignorant about the quality of various overclocking motherboards, but between the two websites there seems to be a wide selection of ASUS, Gigabyte, and MSI motherboards (not Asrock), so you can look back in this thread to what's been recommended for similar budgets. Edit: See discussion below. The power supply is a tenative recommendation only. There may be good units cheaper than the one I list, but I don't know enough to identify possibly inexpensive but still quality PSUs. Get someone else's advice before buying! From novabilgisayar: i5-2500k ($212) Coolermaster Hyper 212 heatsink ($44) (212 gives great performance, but at higher stress levels gets relatively loud. There's also a Thermaltake Jing for $67 on the other website. It should provide similar performance, but be quieter.) From hepsiburada: Motherboard: MSI Z68A-G43 ($110) There are a few boards a few dollars cheaper, this one has USB 3.0 in case you ever want it. http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/msi-z68a-g43-g3-intel-soket-1155-ddr3-2133mhz-oc-atx-anakart/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd132092&categoryId=152 HD 6870 ($170) - this is a reference card. For $15 more, the HIS iceQ would be quieter + have a factory overclock (http://www.guru3d.com/article/his-radeon-6870-iceq-x-turbo-x-review/10) http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/his-ati-hd6870-1gb-256bit-gddr5-directx-11-native-hdmidual-dl-dvidisplay-port-pci-e-21-ekran-karti/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd56493&categoryId=204 Corsair 2x4GB 1333mhz XMS3 ($44) - the other website has similar kingston 1333mhz for $47 http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/corsair-xms3-8gb2x4gb-ddr3-1333mhz-ram/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd132037&categoryId=47 1TB 5400RPM Hard Drive ($97) http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/western-digital-caviar-greenpower-1tb-64mb-sata2-35-sabit-disk-wd10ears/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd847427&categoryId=100221 SSD: 120GB Corsair Force3 ($200) or 60GB Corsair Nova 2 ($102) - the Nova2 is older technology so a tad slower. Still an SSD though. http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/corsair-force3-120gb-sata3-ssd-cssd-f120gb3-bk/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd130950&categoryId=60000010 http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/corsair-nova2-60gb-sata2-ssd/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd131784&categoryId=60000010 If you don't want an SSD, you can eliminate the storage options above and go for a 7200RPM HDD at 500gb ($97) or 1TB(120) from either vendor. Seasonic S12II 520W ($73) - See above http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/seasonic-s12-ii-520w-80plus-bronze-12cm-fanli-power-supply-sea-s12ii-520/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd190001&categoryId=1012 CoolerMaster Haf 912 ($79) http://www.hepsiburada.com/Liste/cooler-master-haf-912-3-x-12cm-fan-mid-tower-pro-bilgisayar-kasasi-cm-rc-912-kkn1/productDetails.aspx?productId=bd132098&categoryId=1013 (Tenative) Total: $852 with the 1TB 7200rpm hard drive. $1029 with the 1TB 5400 Hard Drive & 120GB SSD Add $38 if you get the quieter heat sink and graphics card. Edit: As usual, I forgot to include a DVD burner, so pick one from whatever site & add $20-25 to the tentative price totals. Actual total might be a bit smaller if someone else helps you pick out a more cost-effective mobo or psu. You can cut costs by not overclocking. You could also get a cheaper (or more expensive) graphics card, but I assumed those 3 were simply your main games, this one seems to be good performance for the price (more than enough for the games you listed, enough for 'high' if not ultra settings for basically any modern game). Also, while an SSD provides only minor benefit to most games, it should prove an advantage in WoW (new textures that come within your field of vision load faster), so I recommend one that can fit OS+WoW - I have no idea how big WoW is. Given the games you play, I recommend overclocking since better CPU performance would add more than spending on, say, a video card. If you don't over clock you can get an i5-2300 from the second website for $173 or an i5-2400 from the first website for $187. I didn't look much through non-overclocking motherboards, but a basic no-frills one would be a Msi H61M-P21 for $54. Not overclocking would save you ~135, but since there aren't any cheap H67 boards there, you'd also lose SATA3 (somewhat slower SSD speeds if you got the Corsair Force) and probably USB 3.0 support. Hope this helps. And if other posters have suggestions, they might have better suggestions for a motherboard or power supply (I also dunno if I'm not reading specials - there's some 15% graphic on everything on hepsiburada's site, dunno if they calculated that in already). Oh, also note this is just the tower, with no headphones, mouse, keyboard, wireless adapter, monitor, etc. | ||
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Shiwoo
United States25 Posts
Any ideas? Is there anything wrong with using a GPU in the second slot instead of the first? Thanks guys! You guys always seem to have answers google doesn't! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 15 2012 01:36 JayJay_90 wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey TL, I'm planning on buying a new PC next month. I've selected a lot of the components already but need some help especially with the motherboard. SSD: Crucial m4 SSD 128GB CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K CPU cooler: Thermalright HR-02 Macho GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti OC Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced USB 3.0 windowed PSU: be quiet! Straight Power E9 500W RAM: 8 GB DDR3 RAM (whatever is cheapest where I'm gonna buy it) HDD: Western Digital Caviar Green 1 TB At first I thought about getting the ASRock Z68 Pro3 but it doesn't have internal USB 3.0 so I wouldn't be able to connect the front USB ports. The MSI Z68A-G45 (B3) might be a decent alternative but I've heard that MSI boards have relatively poor quality. Any recommendations for a good Z68 board around 100€? G45 is probably your best option if you want an inexpensive Z68 with a USB3 header. On January 15 2012 05:14 Shiwoo wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hey guys. I have a weird question. Me and my friend have been trying to build his computer and for some reason the computer will only boot when the GPU is in the PCIex16_2 instead of the PCIex16_1. When the GPU is plugged into the 1st slot, we get 5 beeps: 1 long one, 3 short and then 1 short. We have already tried using the GPU in my computer and using my GPU in his computer (1st slot) and we have gotten it to boot. Any ideas? Is there anything wrong with using a GPU in the second slot instead of the first? Thanks guys! You guys always seem to have answers google doesn't! specs? If the board is 8x 8x than there's nothing really wrong with running the GPU in the second slot. | ||
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Medrea
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:30 skyR wrote: + Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 01:36 JayJay_90 wrote:Hey TL, I'm planning on buying a new PC next month. I've selected a lot of the components already but need some help especially with the motherboard. SSD: Crucial m4 SSD 128GB CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K CPU cooler: Thermalright HR-02 Macho GPU: Gigabyte GeForce GTX 560 Ti OC Case: Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced USB 3.0 windowed PSU: be quiet! Straight Power E9 500W RAM: 8 GB DDR3 RAM (whatever is cheapest where I'm gonna buy it) HDD: Western Digital Caviar Green 1 TB At first I thought about getting the ASRock Z68 Pro3 but it doesn't have internal USB 3.0 so I wouldn't be able to connect the front USB ports. The MSI Z68A-G45 (B3) might be a decent alternative but I've heard that MSI boards have relatively poor quality. Any recommendations for a good Z68 board around 100€? G45 is probably your best option if you want an inexpensive Z68 with a USB3 header. What about its build quality? Afaik it doesn't use all solid capacitors, although I don't know how important that really is. Would you recommend to spend a bit more and get board for ~150€? Or perhabs get a P67 board if it's cheaper? | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:49 JayJay_90 wrote: What about its build quality? Afaik it doesn't use all solid capacitors, although I don't know how important that really is. Would you recommend to spend a bit more and get board for ~150€? Or perhabs get a P67 board if it's cheaper? Build quality is only significant (once past the point of blowing up obviously) if you are into significant overclocks, like for competitions and the like. if you are just trying to get your money's worth out of the i5-2500k and dont want to sacrifice its lifespan, a p67 is fine if you dont care for integrated graphics support. Mine is an ASRock Pro 3 SE which is $90 USD and should be available in your area. They tend to sell out though. Every board uses good japanese caps where it counts. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Its not that we are suggesting you shortchange on the motherboard, its that these more expensive motherboards come with quirks people very rarely need or want. And people buy them because they think it will make there sweet rig faster. | ||
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
Btw, I do plan on overclocking the CPU, but not some ridiculous oc. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On January 15 2012 06:10 JayJay_90 wrote: So I should basically buy whatever P67 board by one of the well known brands for 80-110€?^^ Btw, I do plan on overclocking the CPU, but not some ridiculous oc. Well yeah I would hope you are planning to OC at least a little bit since thats what you paid extra to do be able to do! Just dont get an H67 or H61 board, they dont let you OC (well) which would be a waste here. Everything else is just price. Every once in awhile you get an errant turd of a motherboard but I dont think you can do that right now. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On January 15 2012 05:47 Medrea wrote: Even if it isnt x8x8 (x16x4 if they are both PCI-e x16 then the back slot should have x16). However if you place a device in the first one, the back one will go down to x4 instead of x8, and then you prob have a problem. I'm not sure at all about this, but is that how it works? I had the impression that for x16/x4 on modern Intel platforms, the x16 is wired directly to the CPU while the x4 is part of the 8 PCIe lanes from the H67/P67/Z68 chipset or similar. x8/x8 is from the 16 lanes from the CPU being split, so either should run at x16 if the other is empty. For AMD the PCIe lanes are all handled by the chipset, but if the configuration is x16/x4, wouldn't the x16 be wired to the first slot and not to both? (so the bottom slot is always x4 regardless of whether or not the top slot is filled) Am I off here? As for mobos, what you would prefer to see are solid capacitors for the VRMs near the CPU (since that's a critical application that actually handles a lot of power) and then possibly near the bottom of the board if you're using graphics cards that exhaust significant heat into the case, since that area can get hot I guess. MOSFET / choke / controller quality on the VRMs are also quite relevant if overclocking significantly. To be honest, I'd guess that most motherboards could stand to use decent-quality electrolytic capacitors in most non-critical areas, and this would save a little bit of money with no realistic detriments in terms of reliability. All the mid-end models and up use all solid capacitors everywhere, but this probably has more to do with marketing than what's actually needed. | ||
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JayJay_90
Germany1632 Posts
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