EPTOn January 15 2012 06:35 JayJay_90 wrote:
Oh btw, the 500W power supply is enough right?
Oh btw, the 500W power supply is enough right?
Just about.
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Josh_rakoons
United Kingdom1158 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 15 2012 06:28 Myrmidon wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On January 15 2012 05:47 Medrea wrote: Even if it isnt x8x8 (x16x4 if they are both PCI-e x16 then the back slot should have x16). However if you place a device in the first one, the back one will go down to x4 instead of x8, and then you prob have a problem. I'm not sure at all about this, but is that how it works? I had the impression that for x16/x4 on modern Intel platforms, the x16 is wired directly to the CPU while the x4 is part of the 8 PCIe lanes from the H67/P67/Z68 chipset or similar. x8/x8 is from the 16 lanes from the CPU being split, so either should run at x16 if the other is empty. For AMD the PCIe lanes are all handled by the chipset, but if the configuration is x16/x4, wouldn't the x16 be wired to the first slot and not to both? (so the bottom slot is always x4 regardless of whether or not the top slot is filled) Am I off here? Pretty sure that's how it works. The chipset provides the second PCI-E x16 so it will either run at x4 or x1 (since the bandwidth is shared with the PCI-E x1 slots as well). | ||
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Medrea
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On January 15 2012 06:28 Myrmidon wrote: I'm not sure at all about this, but is that how it works? I had the impression that for x16/x4 on modern Intel platforms, the x16 is wired directly to the CPU while the x4 is part of the 8 PCIe lanes from the H67/P67/Z68 chipset or similar. x8/x8 is from the 16 lanes from the CPU being split, so either should run at x16 if the other is empty. For AMD the PCIe lanes are all handled by the chipset, but if the configuration is x16/x4, wouldn't the x16 be wired to the first slot and not to both? (so the bottom slot is always x4 regardless of whether or not the top slot is filled) Am I off here? I am nearly 100 percent certain but I welcome and encourage you to double check and prove me wrong. Sourcing it is difficult since it isnt exactly a common occurence. However consider Linus Tech Tips video below. + Show Spoiler + He installs the 580 into the "x8" lane to force the 6990 he was testing into x8 mode. Had he just inserted the 6990 in the "x8" lane the card would still run in x16 mode anyway because no device is present in the first lane (thus making the test pointless). Why didnt he put the 6990 in the x8 lane and the 580 in the first lane? It is the same thing, he just didnt have to. The first two slots share the same amount of lanes across both of them. Until there is a device in both slots. On the above motherboard, the 3rd PCI-e lane is a x4 that has been magicked out of an onboard solution. | ||
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Medrea
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I have an x16x4 motherboard with a 5830 and a 5770 installed. How exactly do i find out what mode my display card is running at? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
I don't really understand what you're trying to say with the 6990 and GTX 580 test he did... maybe I'm just bad at English. Linus is using a P8P67 Pro. The third PCI-E x16 slot comes from the chipset, it's not provided by a NF200 or some other chipset. The board has to be configured for x8 x8 for the first two slots to be capable of running x16. This is how it is for most of the newer boards. The older boards (P8P67, UD3) were configured for x16 x4, meaning the second slot is from the chipset and is also sharing bandwidth with the other PCI-E x1 slots. Having your PCI-E x1 slots populated means your second slot would only be capable of running x1. | ||
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Medrea
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Boards that offer x8x8 still have just the x16 lanes but it is spread across two PCI-e slots. A single card in either slot is x16, hence the above application to force x8. Thats why you mentioned to the other guy that he would be fine as long as he had a x8x8 motherboard (he would be running at x16) but otherwise he would be running at x4. I didnt know all x16x4 motherboards use a separate onboard chipset to enable the x4. Is this true across all boards that list x16x4? I dont think so, I thought that was what the color coding was all about. Makes sense though i guess. 20 is an odd number. I guess thats pretty much exactly what Myrmidon was saying. | ||
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sawedust
United States506 Posts
I've finished building my computer without a hitch and everything works well! Quite surprised as this was my first time building one from scratch; I always bought a pre-made computer before this. I re-did the cabling after watching a few tutorials (the case is much cleaner now than it used to be) and I'm in the process of overclocking the CPU now. Thanks again! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 15 2012 07:08 Medrea wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Oh i see what you are saying. Boards that list x16x4 have 16 lanes to provide the first slot, and every other slot has 4 lanes provided by a separate and unrelated controller. Boards that offer x8x8 still have just the x16 lanes but it is spread across two PCI-e slots. A single card in either slot is x16, hence the above application to force x8. Thats why you mentioned to the other guy that he would be fine as long as he had a x8x8 motherboard (he would be running at x16) but otherwise he would be running at x4. I didnt know all x16x4 motherboards use a separate onboard chipset to enable the x4. Is this true across all boards that list x16x4? I dont think so, I thought that was what the color coding was all about. Makes sense though i guess. 20 is an odd number. I guess thats pretty much exactly what Myrmidon was saying. The first two slots on boards that are x8 x8 are provided by the CPU. So yes the other guy would be fine installing it in either as both slots will run at x16 with the other slot being empty. x4 slots are provided by the P67 or Z68 chipset. Boards that are x16 x4 means the first slot will always be at x16 (because that's how many the CPU provides) and the second slot will always be x4 or x1 (because it comes from the P67 chipset and shares bandwidth with the other PCI-E x1 slots). ![[image loading]](http://www.intel.com/content/dam/staging/image/Laura/chipset-block-diagrams/P67_block-diagram_450x408.jpg) | ||
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On January 15 2012 07:18 sawedust wrote: Just like to thank everyone here again for their help and guidance! I've finished building my computer without a hitch and everything works well! Quite surprised as this was my first time building one from scratch; I always bought a pre-made computer before this. I re-did the cabling after watching a few tutorials (the case is much cleaner now than it used to be) and I'm in the process of overclocking the CPU now. Thanks again! NP, go forth and rejoice in the thousands and thousands you will save over your lifetime. | ||
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Medrea
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On January 15 2012 07:19 skyR wrote: The first two slots on boards that are x8 x8 are provided by the CPU. So yes the other guy would be fine installing it in either as both slots will run at x16 with the other slot being empty. x4 slots are provided by the P67 or Z68 chipset. Boards that are x16 x4 means the first slot will always be at x16 (because that's how many the CPU provides) and the second slot will always be x4 or x1 (because it comes from the P67 chipset and shares bandwidth with the other PCI-E x1 slots). + Show Spoiler + So AMD is basically just behind here as well because they use a separate controller for every single lane then. Is that right? That seems to be the sentiment I am getting. | ||
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Well I learned something today. x8x8 modes are handled completely different than x16x4. Oh well no big deal. Doesnt affect my bitcoin mining at all since one single x1 lane is enough for as many GPU's as you can fit on the board. This is extremely handy knowledge though. | ||
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Rasun
United States787 Posts
This sight helped me a lot while building my rig. They do a system build guide every 6 months or so and their most recent one was posted in December, going through three levels of performance builds with three different budget ranges. Also they give a complete breakdown of why they made the choices they did and alternatives. Here is the link to their December guide. http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/guides/2011/12/ars-technica-system-guide-december-2011.ars | ||
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jnkw
Canada347 Posts
Here's what I have so far (all prices in Canadian dollars): + Show Spoiler + Case Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced Black ATX Mid Tower Case (RC-692-KKN2) [$89.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112&item_id=027983 Mobo ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 Socket 1155 Intel Z68 Chipset Dual Channel DDR3 2133(OC)/1866(OC)/1600/1333/1066 7.1 CH HD Audio Gigabit LAN 2x SATAIII 6.0 GB/s 4x SATAII 3.0 Gb/s 2x USB 3.0 ATX [$129.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=042019 CPU Leaving the option of OC'ing open Intel Core i5-2500K Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.30Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 32nm (Retail Boxed) (BX80623I52500K) [$219.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&item_id=035530 GPU Sapphire (11188-05-20G) AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon HD 6950 Chipset(800MHz) 2GB GDDR5 Memory(5000MHz) Dual DVI /HDMI/Display Port PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card [$284.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_558&item_id=042026 RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series DDR3 1600MHz (PC3-12800) 8GB (2x4GB) Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL) [$44.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_311_312_612&item_id=035786 SSD I can live with just an SSD for now, since HDD prices are through the roof Crucial (CT128M4SSD2) 128GB SSD m4 2.5" SATA 3 6Gb/s Solid State Drive Read: 415MB/s , Write: 175MB/s [$184.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_179&item_id=039183 PSU Might be slightly overkill, but I'm leaving a bit of headroom in case I want to go Crossfire OCZ ZT-series 650W Fully Modular 80-Plus Bronze Power Supply (OCZ-ZT650W) [$75.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_443&item_id=043055 CPU Fan Not sure if I really need this Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Direct Heat Pipe CPU Cooler R2, Intel 2011/1366/1156/1155/775 and AMD FM1/AM3+/AM3/AM2+/AM2 (RR-212E-20PK-R2) [$34.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_129&item_id=044952 Misc + Show Spoiler + DVD Drive LG GH24LS70 Black SATA Lightscribe DVD-Writer 24xDVD+R/-R 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 16xDVD+R DL 12xDVD-R DL 48x CD-R 32xCD-RW (Retail) [$24.99] http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&item_id=044783 Total incl. tax: $1232.73 Any feedback would be much appreciated. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 15 2012 14:09 jnkw wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Currently considering building a somewhat decent desktop to last me a few years of SC2 + possibly streaming, D3, Dota 2, etc. and looking for some feedback. I'm not the most knowledgeable person about hardware so I may not have chosen the optimal build, but here goes... Here's what I have so far (all prices in Canadian dollars): + Show Spoiler + Case Cooler Master CM 690 II Advanced Black ATX Mid Tower Case (RC-692-KKN2) [$89.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=6_112&item_id=027983 Mobo ASRock Z68 Pro3 Gen3 Socket 1155 Intel Z68 Chipset Dual Channel DDR3 2133(OC)/1866(OC)/1600/1333/1066 7.1 CH HD Audio Gigabit LAN 2x SATAIII 6.0 GB/s 4x SATAII 3.0 Gb/s 2x USB 3.0 ATX [$129.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=26_722&item_id=042019 CPU Leaving the option of OC'ing open Intel Core i5-2500K Quad-Core Socket LGA1155, 3.30Ghz, 6MB L3 Cache, 32nm (Retail Boxed) (BX80623I52500K) [$219.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=4_65&item_id=035530 GPU Sapphire (11188-05-20G) AMD Radeon HD 6950 2GB GDDR5 ATI Radeon HD 6950 Chipset(800MHz) 2GB GDDR5 Memory(5000MHz) Dual DVI /HDMI/Display Port PCI-Express 2.0 Graphics Card [$284.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_557_558&item_id=042026 RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series DDR3 1600MHz (PC3-12800) 8GB (2x4GB) Dual Channel Kit (F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL) [$44.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=24_311_312_612&item_id=035786 SSD I can live with just an SSD for now, since HDD prices are through the roof Crucial (CT128M4SSD2) 128GB SSD m4 2.5" SATA 3 6Gb/s Solid State Drive Read: 415MB/s , Write: 175MB/s [$184.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=15_179&item_id=039183 PSU Might be slightly overkill, but I'm leaving a bit of headroom in case I want to go Crossfire OCZ ZT-series 650W Fully Modular 80-Plus Bronze Power Supply (OCZ-ZT650W) [$75.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=33_443&item_id=043055 CPU Fan Not sure if I really need this Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO Direct Heat Pipe CPU Cooler R2, Intel 2011/1366/1156/1155/775 and AMD FM1/AM3+/AM3/AM2+/AM2 (RR-212E-20PK-R2) [$34.99] http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=8_129&item_id=044952 Misc + Show Spoiler + DVD Drive LG GH24LS70 Black SATA Lightscribe DVD-Writer 24xDVD+R/-R 8xDVD+RW/6xDVD-RW 16xDVD+R DL 12xDVD-R DL 48x CD-R 32xCD-RW (Retail) [$24.99] http://canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&item_id=044783 Total incl. tax: $1232.73 Any feedback would be much appreciated. Are you limited to buying from Canada Computers or are you open to buying from NCIX? Pricing at Canada Computers is pretty bad. An aftermarket hetasink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO is recommended for overclocking. Only you will know whether 128gb will suffice... The Asrock Z68 Pro3 is not capable of CrossfireX. If you want Crossfire, you'll want a different board - an inexpensive option would be a MSI P67 G43 or G45. | ||
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jnkw
Canada347 Posts
On January 15 2012 14:24 skyR wrote: Are you limited to buying from Canada Computers or are you open to buying from NCIX? Pricing at Canada Computers is pretty bad. An aftermarket hetasink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO is recommended for overclocking. Only you will know whether 128gb will suffice... The Asrock Z68 Pro3 is not capable of CrossfireX. If you want Crossfire, you'll want a different board - an inexpensive option would be a MSI P67 G43 or G45. I can buy from NCIX too, I think. If possible, though, I need to try and buy everything from one or the other due to transportation issues where I'm currently living. Thanks for the feedback. I'll have a look at the alternative boards you suggested. | ||
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skyR
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jnkw
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+ Show Spoiler + Case Zalman Z9 Plus ATX Mid Tower Case Black 3X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5INT No PS W/ Fan Controller & Temp Display [$60.37] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57910&vpn=Z9 Plus&manufacture=ZALMAN TECH&promoid=1065 Mobo MSI P67A-G43 (B3) P67 ATX LGA1155 DDR3 2PCI-E16 3PCI-E 2PCI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3 Motherboard [$126.87] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=59095&vpn=P67A-G43 (B3)&manufacture=MSI/MicroStar CPU Intel Core i5 2500K Quad Core Unlocked Processor LGA1155 3.3GHZ Sandy Bridge 6MB [$239.98] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&vpn=BX80623I52500K&manufacture=Intel GPU AMD Radeon HD 6950 - 800 Mhz Core 1024 MB DDR5 Dual Mini-DisplayPort - HD-695X-Z [$276.76] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=4730304&vpn=HD695XZDFC&manufacture=XFX TECHNOLOGY RAM Kingston HyperX KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 XMP Dual Channel Memory Kit [$43.49] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=57869&vpn=KHX1600C9D3K2/8GX&manufacture=Kingston&promoid=1065 SSD Crucial M4 SSD Micron C400 128GB 2.5IN Solid State Disk Flash Drive SATA3 6Gbps [$199.99] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=60445&vpn=CT128M4SSD2&manufacture=CRUCIAL TECHNOLOGY&promoid=1065 PSU OCZ ModXStream Pro 700W ATX 20/24PIN SLI Ready Modular Cables 135mm Fan 80PLUS Power Supply [$99.99] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=35456&vpn=OCZ700MXSP&manufacture=OCZ Technology&promoid=1065 CPU Fan Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus Direct Touch 4 Heatpipe Heatsink AM2 AM3 LGA1366 LGA1155 LGA1156 120MM [$30.66] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=41337&vpn=RR-B10-212P-G1&manufacture=COOLERMASTER Optical Drive Samsung SH-222AL 22X DVD Writer SATA Lightscribe OEM [$24.72] http://ncix.com/products/?sku=64204&vpn=SH-222AL/BEBE&manufacture=Samsung Total incl. tax: $1246.20 All of the parts are regular price, though, (the Canada Computers build above is based on sale prices) so if they do go on sale it'll probably wind up costing less than if I got them at Canada Computers. Edit: Just saw your post about price matching. You're right, forgot about that. Thanks! | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
I'm not a big fan of the Zalman case but if you like it than you like it. Kingston HyperX runs at 1.65v so you don't want that kit. Recommended memory voltage for Sandybridge is 1.5v. You can get GSkill RipjawsX or Mushkin Silverline for $40 or less. OCZ ModXStream Pro isn't really that good. There are much better options for $90: Seasonic S12II, PC Power & Cooling Silencer MK III, Antec High Current Gamer, Corsair TX, XFX Core Edition, OCZ ZS, and so on. The 6950 is overpriced but I think you know that. Not a big fan of the case but meh. | ||
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