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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
And Anandtech did mention that they had a few criticism regarding component selection. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Also, in fact, in boutique computers cost-efficiency is the ONLY thing that matters. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
That's totally besides the point though. When people say a system is good, they're generally meaning that the performance is good, the construction is good, maybe the packaging is good, and the components are good. Price is irrelevant, unless you also want to say it's a good deal. Anyway, this definitely isn't a build you want to copy, part by part, in case that wasn't clear already. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Also what does price have to do with the fact that the SSD and PSU choice are both completely retarded? Even if it's moronically overpriced, that's besides the point already. It could be same price with a rosewill capstone 550 and a corsair force GT 120 and I'd say it's a much better build. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Cost efficiency is the only thing that matters for you. Believe it or not, most people don't give a shit about this, it's probably the least important thing to consider when buying something. No one really cares if they bought last year's model if it works nearly just as well. And building good computers isn't solely based on component selection which was my initial point since you're the one who indirectly implied they don't build good computers in the first place. Ya.. we know component selection isn't the best. Anandtech even mentioned this themselves... yet you go on to argue about how component selection is retarded, totally oblivious to the fact that building a good computer also involves other things such as worksmanship, support, quality control, and so on. | ||
Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Also, in fact, in boutique computers cost-efficiency is the ONLY thing that matters. Other way around. Cheapass computers that tend to get recommended in this thread is where cost efficiency matters. Boutique computers are for people who have so much money to enjoy the finer things in life like $500 Lian Li cases or Corsair warranty services. | ||
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teamamerica
United States958 Posts
Here's my 'what I want out of the computer': + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? 1500 What is your resolution? 2560x1600 What are you using it for? Run most new games out there on high settings. What is your upgrade cycle? 2+ years When do you plan on building it? As soon as possible Do you plan on overclocking? Yes Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No (Unless it's significantly cheaper to get good performance out of 2GPU configuration vs getting one top end card) Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg/Frys Here's the build I was planning on stealing (and the specifications of the person who requested it). I put some questions in bold. On January 06 2012 04:08 skyR wrote: This totals to $896, you can salvage DVD burner and HDD from your old configuration. If not than you can add http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299 which would add $97 to your total making it $993 Intel Core i5 2500k @ $220 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 Will my friend need to overclock it (not a problem) to run games on high? Or get i7? GSkill RipjawsX 2x4GB 1333Mhz @ $32 (w/ promo code EMCJKKE35, ends 1/11) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 Crucial M4 128gb @ $185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442 Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti @ $210 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401 Worth getting the 580/7970 and shelling extra 300? Rather not have 2GPU setup, if that matters. Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Asrock P67 Pro3 @ $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230 Rosewill Capstone 450w @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Worth shelling for corsair? Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $29 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 Need to upgrade this if the computer had a better GPU/overclocked CPU? For monitor, either a Dell U2312HM for 1080p: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=320-2807 or a Dell U2412HM for 1920x1200 (on sale atm): http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=320-2676 , both are $299 at the moment. 120Hz monitor is another option. If you play poker than I'd get two Ultrasharps. Keep in mind Nvidia cards can only support two displays so if you want three displays, you'll want an AMD card, the equivalent to a GTX 560 Ti would be a Radeon HD6950 1GB. Don't need monitor so that gives 300 dollars more toward the computer to work with Any thoughts? | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 07 2012 12:58 Womwomwom wrote: Other way around. Cheapass computers that tend to get recommended in this thread is where cost efficiency matters. Boutique computers are for people who have so much money to enjoy the finer things in life like $500 Lian Li cases or Corsair warranty services. No. You don't seem to realize what cost-efficiency means. http://www.silentrig.com/category/106/sr-pelikoneet Check these out. | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
If you want to play high settings at 2560x1600, then you're probably going to need dual GPUs or something similarly powerful. On January 07 2012 13:04 Shikyo wrote: No. You don't seem to realize what cost-efficiency means. http://www.silentrig.com/category/106/sr-pelikoneet Check these out. And I wouldn't touch any of those except the ones using the Silverstone cases. The high end GTX580 option is still $2,000 AUD so its still very expensive. In fact I wouldn't be touching any of them since they all use low end Asrock P67/Z68 motherboards; they're good for people on a budget and that's about it. These are hardly boutique computers. Boutique is Puget Systems or Apple level of quality. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On January 07 2012 13:02 teamamerica wrote:+ Show Spoiler + So since my friend is going to be building the computer anyway (and any of the benefits related to buying the PC prebuilt don't matter), I was wondering if you could recommend any specific build. I was looking through this thread and saw a build I was thinking of stealing and recommending to my friend. Any thoughts on if it'll work and run new games on high? Here's my 'what I want out of the computer': + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? 1500 What is your resolution? 2560x1600 What are you using it for? Run most new games out there on high settings. What is your upgrade cycle? 2+ years When do you plan on building it? As soon as possible Do you plan on overclocking? Yes Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No (Unless it's significantly cheaper to get good performance out of 2GPU configuration vs getting one top end card) Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg/Frys Here's the build I was planning on stealing (and the specifications of the person who requested it). I put some questions in bold. On January 06 2012 04:08 skyR wrote: This totals to $896, you can salvage DVD burner and HDD from your old configuration. If not than you can add http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136236 and http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822145299 which would add $97 to your total making it $993 Intel Core i5 2500k @ $220 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115072 Will my friend need to overclock it (not a problem) to run games on high? Or get i7? GSkill RipjawsX 2x4GB 1333Mhz @ $32 (w/ promo code EMCJKKE35, ends 1/11) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231426 Crucial M4 128gb @ $185 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148442 Gigabyte GTX 560 Ti @ $210 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125401 Worth getting the 580/7970 and shelling extra 300? Rather not have 2GPU setup, if that matters. Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233 Asrock P67 Pro3 @ $100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157230 Rosewill Capstone 450w @ $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182066 Worth shelling for corsair? Coolermaster Hyper 212+ @ $29 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 Need to upgrade this if the computer had a better GPU/overclocked CPU? For monitor, either a Dell U2312HM for 1080p: http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&l=en&s=bsd&cs=04&sku=320-2807 or a Dell U2412HM for 1920x1200 (on sale atm): http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/productdetail.aspx?c=us&cs=04&l=en&sku=320-2676 , both are $299 at the moment. 120Hz monitor is another option. If you play poker than I'd get two Ultrasharps. Keep in mind Nvidia cards can only support two displays so if you want three displays, you'll want an AMD card, the equivalent to a GTX 560 Ti would be a Radeon HD6950 1GB. Don't need monitor so that gives 300 dollars more toward the computer to work with Any thoughts? If you play games at 2560x1600 than yes it's very much worth investing in a Radeon HD7970 which should be available to purchase in a few days. An core i7 is only going to be beneficial if you intend to stream or do professional work such as encoding, editing, etc. Capstone is the best ~500w unit available right now. Corsair doesn't really offer anything that beats it or similar to it in the ~500w range. The closest being would be the Corsair AX650 which is also a very good unit. It's up to you whether you want a Corsair product that offers a seven year warranty (as opposed to five of the Rosewill) and fully modular (means all cables are detachable, as opposed to the Rosewill being not modular at all). It is recommended you overclock since that's what K suffix processors such as the core i5 2500k are for, they're meant to be overclocked since they have an unlocked multiplier. The Coolermaster Hyper 212+ is only for the processor. You don't need something better for thermal performance. You can pay more for better acoustics or just brand / post-sale support. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On January 07 2012 13:07 Womwomwom wrote: You might want to wait a few days to see how much the HD7970s are at launch. Considering Sapphire can factory overclock those things to 1300mhz, I'm convinced they can pretty much beat every dual GPU setup on the market right now. If you want to play high settings at 2560x1600, then you're probably going to need dual GPUs or something similarly powerful. And I wouldn't touch any of those except the ones using the Silverstone cases. The high end GTX580 option is still $2,000 AUD so its still very expensive. In fact I wouldn't be touching any of them since they all use low end Asrock P67/Z68 motherboards; they're good for people on a budget and that's about it. These are hardly boutique computers. Boutique is Puget Systems or Apple level of quality. Those computers are better and cheaper than Puget Systems... Also, Boutique = also cyberpowerpc and ibuypower. US Boutiques just are terrible, which is why I once said that if I was there it'd be a gold mine to start selling prebuilt computers over there. Oh and by the way Apple has nothing to do with anything wut Oh and also I couldn't care less if YOU enjoy throwing your money away. Doesn't make the builds bad. Oh and you can't just use currency exchange. First of all Finland is the costiest country in Europe or so, second there's a 23% tax, so reduce 23% off the price and then compare Oh and by the way, you said that last computer of theirs costs a lot, right? It's 1595€ and the components bought seperately are a total of 1541€. You really think that's costly, still? | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
They're cheaper. They're perhaps more powerful. Do they offer the same amount of post-sale support? Definitely not. Not even close. Heck, its hilarious that a BOUTIQUE computer store dares to use Asrock motherboards in their high end hardware. We can agree to disagree but people don't give a shit about price/performance so long it does so and so well. They care about: 1) does it work? 2) if its broken, then what happens? If I cared about raw performance, I'd have thrown out my i5-750 + HD5850 long ago but it still runs everything, including Battlefield 3, fine. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
By the way they also have an option to customize your own PC and again it's going to be only 30-50€ above what the components would be seperately | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Well, they're not going to drive to your door, but they're going to fix your problems if you mail the computer to them o_o There's also good phone/email support so I'm not sure what kind of support you need? I want the problems fixed within a week. Perhaps they can do that in Finland but good luck getting quick RMA elsewhere. You're typically waiting for 2 weeks to a month. To bring about Dell Ultrasharps again, they will cross-ship hardware within ~2-5 days. This means they will send you a replacement first then expect you to ship the faulty hardware back to them.. If its a strange problem, like you blew your U2410 with a calibrator, they'll drive to your door the next day with a technician and replacement. This is what we call good post-sale service and this type of service isn't exactly uncommon...Logitech has similarly good warranty services (they are known to replace out of warranty hardware for free) for their hardware even if they won't drive to your house. I brought up Apple because they are pretty much boutique computers - they're rebuilt, they're expensive, they've got premium post-sale service, and they use decent components in their hardware. And people love them, even if they are pretty expensive, because they actually do just work and they've got the manpower to help you if it doesn't work - its got nothing to do with SHEEPLE since non-Fortune 500 businesses are starting to outsource more and more tech support to Apple. And if you have serious problems, just smallchat the Apple Store staff into giving you a replacement or something. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Performance per dollar is the last thing people consider. The brand recognition, whether it'll do what they want it to do, and post-sale support are the first things that come to people's minds. You just can't seem to admit that you're wrong. | ||
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GiygaS
Canada1043 Posts
Today I realized my computer is really crappy for what I thought it was. Was playing witcher 2 today at lowest settings and it's running at like 15 fps. Is Witcher 2 just a taxing game or is it my comp? What is the weakest part of my computer? Windows 7 i7 Q720 @ 1.60 GHZ 6 GB RAM NVIDIA GeForce GT 330M | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Your GT 330M has performance somewhere in the range of 70% as good as the HD 6570 (desktop model) in the charts here: http://www.techspot.com/review/405-the-witcher-2-performance/page7.html | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
![[image loading]](http://www.techpowerup.com/img/12-01-06/45a.jpg) All of these cards are rebrands. Although whats not on the list is interesting. I half expected 7770 to be there. | ||
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