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iirc Noctua's is a joint venture and their manufacturing actually occurs in Taiwan.
On December 08 2011 12:10 UniversalSnip wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So SkyR suggested this build for upgrading my comp (thank you SkyR). The other route you can go is upgrade every component: Pentium G840 ($85), H61 ($50), 4gb DDR3 ($20), Radeon HD6670 ($80). Some questions I have - Is there a good way to check if all these components are compatible? Is this is an issue? - I checked my PSU and it's not strong enough to support that video card. I can't find any info that isn't from an amazon review or something on what it would require though. - When I upgrade multiple components in my PC, should I install them all at once or install, boot, install, etc? - I notice the recommended processor is 64 bit, is this an issue? For example is this gonna kill my operating system (XP)?
LGA1155 processor goes into LGA1155 motherboard. All PCI-E x16 graphics cards, regardless of revision (2.0, 2.1) can go into any modern motherboard with a PCI-E x16 slot (basically every consumer motherboard that is available on the market today). Every motherboard that supports LGA1155 is DDR3.
The Radeon HD6670 doesn't require any PCIe connector for additional power. The card itself uses like 40w or less under maximum load. You have a 8500GT so this card shouldn't be a problem as your current card also basically uses no power. If your power supply can't handle an additional 20w in load than I wouldn't even be on your computer right now. If you want to replace it with a higher quality one than you can get an Antec Neo Eco 400C for like $35.
You can't boot without a CPU or RAM so... you need to install all the components at once and than boot. There is no reason why you would do separate installations.
All modern processors are 64bit. Whether the operating system is 64bit or 32bit, it doesn't matter. 32bit operating systems just has a 4gb limit on addressable memory.
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What's a good SSD around 100 to 128GBs? The crucial M4 128gb seems a little steep on price for those ranges but if it's the best one then paying the premium may be the way to go. I enjoy the M4 64GB so far.
This drive would be for my games, I have my OS on the 64gb one and a 1TB storage drive.
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Crucial M4 is probably considered the best choice by many but I think its currently out of stock at various retailers. Another option is the Samsung 830. If you want to give Sandforce a chance than you can do so with Vertex3, Agility 3, or Kingston HyperX. Supposedly their BSOD issue was fixed by Intel.
If you don't care about it being SATA 3Gbps or 6Gbps and just want an SSD. I think the Samsung 470 for $150 is a good deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147161
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On December 08 2011 12:31 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 11:58 Shikyo wrote:
Well it's pretty reasonable to reduce distribution costs if they need to distribute from europe to NA, the prices of thermalright stuff are skyhigh in NA in the first place. If the real price is 18€ below NH-D14 then it makes no sense to distribute to us like that if you need to sell at the same price.
Super Flower doesn't sell anything in the US either and those PSUs are amazing. It's not like it's Thermalright's fault they're not based in US. Just like Super Flower, they're based in Taiwan and usually those companies don't have great distribution in the US, just like with Super Flower. Despite some companies being based in the United States, all the production is done is done outside of the United States so they still need to distribute from foreign soil to some place in the world. Ignoring Intel, AMD, Antec, and Corsair, basically every computer company in the world is based in Korea/China/Japan/Taiwan. SilverStone, Thermalright, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, Lian Li, etc. are all Taiwanese based for instance. Zalman and Scythe are Korean and Japanese respectively. The only major European companies I can think of are Arctic Cooling (Swiss) and Noctua (Austrian) and they have no problems distributing from Europe to NA. Obviously the currency you deal with is a problem (e.g. right now Japanese hate dealing with foreign markets because of the high Yen) but its not an excuse for cancelling widespread distribution if you are actually competitive. If you are as niche as, say, the large number of Japanese video game developers, obviously you are not going to bother with the United States market because you are non-competitive there. They've probably picked cheaper, smaller retailers because larger retailers routinely do full confidence orders on stock. If the confidence was overblown, they make the OEM take the whole stock back at full credit. Either way, this is not a good thing for the manufacturer. Off topic: This is why there is a huge difference between shipped vs sold and anyone using Nokia's or Samsung's shipped figures to prove the amount of phone sales is immediately wrong.
So can you explain why freezer 13 pro is 22€ in europe and hyper 212+ is 25€ in europe, while freezer 13 pro is 50$ in US and hyper 212+ is 26$? And why Super Flower gets always amazing reviews and doesn't sell PSUs in US? -_- US isn't the center of the world you know.
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On December 08 2011 13:02 skyR wrote:Crucial M4 is probably considered the best choice by many but I think its currently out of stock at various retailers. Another option is the Samsung 830. If you want to give Sandforce a chance than you can do so with Vertex3, Agility 3, or Kingston HyperX. Supposedly their BSOD issue was fixed by Intel. If you don't care about it being SATA 3Gbps or 6Gbps and just want an SSD. I think the Samsung 470 for $150 is a good deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147161
Thanks for the tip. I think I'll wait until the M4 is back in stock and just purchase that. It seems that Crucial is the popular pick and plus I've really enjoyed my own M4.
On an unrelated but stupid note, When I had first put my computer together a month back, I had forgotten to get a 2.5 disk mounting kit for my tower. So when I installed everything I just put my SSD in the top of my tower where it had hotswap bays and figured later I'd buy the mounting kit.
Well, I have the mounting kit now but my question is if I move the SSD into the tower will it screw up the boot up process? Will I need to go back into the BIOS and reconfigure where my SSD is in order to boot properly or can I just plug it back in and it'll find it automatically? I just wanted some assurance before I messed with it.
Also, if I get a new 128gb SSD, I'd like to plug it into one of my 6gb/s sata ports but I have both of them filled with the bootup SSD and my 1tb storage drive. Would it be ok to just remove my storage drive from the 6gb/s port and set it to a 3gb/s sata port and then plug in the new SSD?
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As far as consumer hardware go, the Untied States IS pretty much the center of the world whether you like it or not. Also, I'm not American either.
Pricing for different areas varies. NEC, for instance, price gouge Australia in the professional market and are well aware of the price differential between the United States and Australia. Anyway, the Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro is like $40 in the States and $36 in Europe (inc. VAT); it appears European companies just use the "inc. VAT" pricing for American markets to price gouge. I wouldn't be surprised if Arctic Cooling can get away with it since thermal paste is synonymous with Arctic Silver 5.
Super Flower probably doesn't sell in the States because companies like PC Power and Cooling, Antec, Coolermaster, and Corsair have taken the market by storm. Another answer would be that half of the power supplies in the US market already use their designs so what's the point of doing a Seasonic?
On December 08 2011 12:51 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 09:38 Womwomwom wrote:
The BenQ XL2410T sucks. Go Samsung for 120hz.
Edit: I won't explain why, read the TFT Central review. It sucks because it's amazing for gaming purposes and it needs a little fine tuning? I don't really see your point.
It ghosts quite badly for a "gaming" monitor:
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+ Show Spoiler [Some other responsiveness results] +
Prad.de, who do extremely intensive monitor reviews as well as calibrate it properly, only gave it a 3 out of 5. Considering Prad.de take into account the usage when reviewing hardware (i.e. they don't dock points away from professional monitors that have huge input lag), this is an extremely poor result.
Having any form of reverse ghosting defeats the point of 120hz. If all you care about is low input lag, the Dell U2312HM has an input lag of 0.6ms-1.1ms which is as close to CRT levels as you can get.
The Samsung 950/750 Series monitors should be much better and cost around the same.
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On December 08 2011 13:12 Shikyo wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 08 2011 12:31 Womwomwom wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 11:58 Shikyo wrote:
Well it's pretty reasonable to reduce distribution costs if they need to distribute from europe to NA, the prices of thermalright stuff are skyhigh in NA in the first place. If the real price is 18€ below NH-D14 then it makes no sense to distribute to us like that if you need to sell at the same price.
Super Flower doesn't sell anything in the US either and those PSUs are amazing. It's not like it's Thermalright's fault they're not based in US. Just like Super Flower, they're based in Taiwan and usually those companies don't have great distribution in the US, just like with Super Flower. Despite some companies being based in the United States, all the production is done is done outside of the United States so they still need to distribute from foreign soil to some place in the world. Ignoring Intel, AMD, Antec, and Corsair, basically every computer company in the world is based in Korea/China/Japan/Taiwan. SilverStone, Thermalright, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, Lian Li, etc. are all Taiwanese based for instance. Zalman and Scythe are Korean and Japanese respectively. The only major European companies I can think of are Arctic Cooling (Swiss) and Noctua (Austrian) and they have no problems distributing from Europe to NA. Obviously the currency you deal with is a problem (e.g. right now Japanese hate dealing with foreign markets because of the high Yen) but its not an excuse for cancelling widespread distribution if you are actually competitive. If you are as niche as, say, the large number of Japanese video game developers, obviously you are not going to bother with the United States market because you are non-competitive there. They've probably picked cheaper, smaller retailers because larger retailers routinely do full confidence orders on stock. If the confidence was overblown, they make the OEM take the whole stock back at full credit. Either way, this is not a good thing for the manufacturer. Off topic: This is why there is a huge difference between shipped vs sold and anyone using Nokia's or Samsung's shipped figures to prove the amount of phone sales is immediately wrong. So can you explain why freezer 13 pro is 22€ in europe and hyper 212+ is 25€ in europe, while freezer 13 pro is 50$ in US and hyper 212+ is 26$? And why Super Flower gets always amazing reviews and doesn't sell PSUs in US? -_- US isn't the center of the world you know.
US is the center of the world for almost everything unfortunately.
Superflower is an OEM. They don't need to sell their own branded products to be profitable. Thermalright on the other hand isn't an OEM, if they are than I'm not sure who uses their heatsink designs.
Superflower was available in the US a long time ago. They probably weren't too successful in this market so they decided to pull out since its idiotic competing at a disadvantage. Not having an office in the states puts you at a disadvantage in postsale support. Not being able to spend money on advertising puts you at a disadvantage in selling your products.
On December 08 2011 13:19 SleepTech wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 08 2011 13:02 skyR wrote:Crucial M4 is probably considered the best choice by many but I think its currently out of stock at various retailers. Another option is the Samsung 830. If you want to give Sandforce a chance than you can do so with Vertex3, Agility 3, or Kingston HyperX. Supposedly their BSOD issue was fixed by Intel. If you don't care about it being SATA 3Gbps or 6Gbps and just want an SSD. I think the Samsung 470 for $150 is a good deal: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147161 Thanks for the tip. I think I'll wait until the M4 is back in stock and just purchase that. It seems that Crucial is the popular pick and plus I've really enjoyed my own M4. On an unrelated but stupid note, When I had first put my computer together a month back, I had forgotten to get a 2.5 disk mounting kit for my tower. So when I installed everything I just put my SSD in the top of my tower where it had hotswap bays and figured later I'd buy the mounting kit. Well, I have the mounting kit now but my question is if I move the SSD into the tower will it screw up the boot up process? Will I need to go back into the BIOS and reconfigure where my SSD is in order to boot properly or can I just plug it back in and it'll find it automatically? I just wanted some assurance before I messed with it. Also, if I get a new 128gb SSD, I'd like to plug it into one of my 6gb/s sata ports but I have both of them filled with the bootup SSD and my 1tb storage drive. Would it be ok to just remove my storage drive from the 6gb/s port and set it to a 3gb/s sata port and then plug in the new SSD?
Yes, you can just move your 1TB HDD over to a 3Gbps port and use the 6Gbps for the new M4.
Setting boot device priority is trivial so ... if it doesn't boot into Windows automatically than you'll need to go into BIOS. If it does than you don't.
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On December 08 2011 12:51 skyR wrote:iirc Noctua's is a joint venture and their manufacturing actually occurs in Taiwan. Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 12:10 UniversalSnip wrote:+ Show Spoiler +So SkyR suggested this build for upgrading my comp (thank you SkyR). The other route you can go is upgrade every component: Pentium G840 ($85), H61 ($50), 4gb DDR3 ($20), Radeon HD6670 ($80). Some questions I have - Is there a good way to check if all these components are compatible? Is this is an issue? - I checked my PSU and it's not strong enough to support that video card. I can't find any info that isn't from an amazon review or something on what it would require though. - When I upgrade multiple components in my PC, should I install them all at once or install, boot, install, etc? - I notice the recommended processor is 64 bit, is this an issue? For example is this gonna kill my operating system (XP)? LGA1155 processor goes into LGA1155 motherboard. All PCI-E x16 graphics cards, regardless of revision (2.0, 2.1) can go into any modern motherboard with a PCI-E x16 slot (basically every consumer motherboard that is available on the market today). Every motherboard that supports LGA1155 is DDR3. The Radeon HD6670 doesn't require any PCIe connector for additional power. The card itself uses like 40w or less under maximum load. You have a 8500GT so this card shouldn't be a problem as your current card also basically uses no power. If your power supply can't handle an additional 20w in load than I wouldn't even be on your computer right now. If you want to replace it with a higher quality one than you can get an Antec Neo Eco 400C for like $35. You can't boot without a CPU or RAM so... you need to install all the components at once and than boot. There is no reason why you would do separate installations. All modern processors are 64bit. Whether the operating system is 64bit or 32bit, it doesn't matter. 32bit operating systems just has a 4gb limit on addressable memory.
Thank you very much!
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I finally have enough money to get a new PC, so with that said, I plan on keeping my old monitor (SyncMaster 193t) and probably my old power supply (something that has 650w). Now, what I would like to be able is to run Skyrim, Battlefield, Deus Ex and such on max settings without my rig being too expencive, and also, if it is a good idea to use my old power supply?
A bit later on I plan on getting a 23'' screen or something similar, what monitor would go well with a new rig? And also, if possible, could it be around 1000 euros, +-200 or so.
Thanks in advance!
And the format I forgot to fill in:
What is your budget?
1000 euros aprox.
What is your resolution?
1280x1024 but I plan on getting a sexy widescreen in a month or two (recommendations would be cool).
What are you using it for?
Games, streaming, photoshop.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I'd say 2-3 years, maybe more.
When do you plan on building it?
I'd like to have it before new years eve.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Not by my self, maybe if I find someone able to do it, but most likely not.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
In the long run, yes, or even right now if its manageable with the 1k euro budget.
Where are you buying your parts from?
No idea at all, probably from where I can find in Europe.
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Looking to build a new computer... Here are the answers to the standard questions.
Thanks!
What is your budget?
$500-800, depending on diminishing returns at various levels in there.
What is your resolution?
Recommend me a good display for under $150 (separate from the above budget).
What are you using it for?
SC2, streaming, photoshop
What is your upgrade cycle?
Not looking to upgrade again for 3 years.
When do you plan on building it?
I want to finish it by mid-January, and will start buying parts now if there are some ridic deals or something.
Do you plan on overclocking?
Probably not.
Do you need an Operating System?
No
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I doubt it will be cost effective at my budget, but if it is, that's fine.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Pretty much Newegg exclusively, although I have access to a wholesale supplier that can give slight discounts over Newegg at times.
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On December 08 2011 13:36 Womwomwom wrote:+ Show Spoiler +As far as consumer hardware go, the Untied States IS pretty much the center of the world whether you like it or not. Also, I'm not American either. Pricing for different areas varies. NEC, for instance, price gouge Australia in the professional market and are well aware of the price differential between the United States and Australia. Anyway, the Arctic Cooling Freezer 13 Pro is like $40 in the States and $36 in Europe (inc. VAT); it appears European companies just use the "inc. VAT" pricing for American markets to price gouge. I wouldn't be surprised if Arctic Cooling can get away with it since thermal paste is synonymous with Arctic Silver 5. Super Flower probably doesn't sell in the States because companies like PC Power and Cooling, Antec, Coolermaster, and Corsair have taken the market by storm. Another answer would be that half of the power supplies in the US market already use their designs so what's the point of doing a Seasonic? On December 08 2011 12:51 youngminii wrote:Show nested quote +On December 08 2011 09:38 Womwomwom wrote:
The BenQ XL2410T sucks. Go Samsung for 120hz.
Edit: I won't explain why, read the TFT Central review. It sucks because it's amazing for gaming purposes and it needs a little fine tuning? I don't really see your point. It ghosts quite badly for a "gaming" monitor: + Show Spoiler +Prad.de, who do extremely intensive monitor reviews as well as calibrate it properly, only gave it a 3 out of 5. Considering Prad.de take into account the usage when reviewing hardware (i.e. they don't dock points away from professional monitors that have huge input lag), this is an extremely poor result. Having any form of reverse ghosting defeats the point of 120hz. If all you care about is low input lag, the Dell U2312HM has an input lag of 0.6ms-1.1ms which is as close to CRT levels as you can get. The Samsung 950/750 Series monitors should be much better and cost around the same.
So based on this seems like the Samsung 2233RZ is a clear winner. It also is priced fairly well I believe. Although, do they make CRT's in 16:10 or 16 ?
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Yes, the Sony FW900 is in 16:10. I ditched my two for an Apple Cinema Display because I was sick of the pitfalls of CRTs. I don't regret it one bit.
Keep in mind the Samsung 2233RZ can't display 1080P and is restrictive outside responsiveness and lowish input lag.
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I'm not even sure if I'd call ~15ms input lag (for the 2233RZ) as lowish for monitors though, more like average or possibly even below average among displays that aren't TVs or professional-geared monitors. Something in that range is probably not an issue for most people though.
edit: well maybe the proper thing to say is that most computer monitors have "lowish" input lag.
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On December 09 2011 08:49 Womwomwom wrote:
Yes, the Sony FW900 is in 16:10. I ditched my two for an Apple Cinema Display because I was sick of the pitfalls of CRTs. I don't regret it one bit.
Keep in mind the Samsung 2233RZ can't display 1080P and is restrictive outside responsiveness and lowish input lag.
Well that and people seem to be having a hard time displaying over 1440X900 on it.
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What wattage PSU would i need to crossfire HD 6950's with a i5 2500K? The reason why i am using HD 6950's is due to the fact that i have a ASUS z68 LX mobo and it does not support sli.
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On December 09 2011 10:20 iG_XxVeZZxX wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What wattage PSU would i need to crossfire HD 6950's with a i5 2500K? The reason why i am using HD 6950's is due to the fact that i have a ASUS z68 LX mobo and it does not support sli.
A quality ~650w unit such as Seasonic S12II 620, Antec High Current Gamer 620, Antec Neo Eco 620, Earthwatts 650, Corsair TX650V2, or XFX Core Edition 650.
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Okay Thanks, I was originally going to get a 750w gold 80+ PSU to have that extra buffer zone especially since i will be overclocking but if a 650W will provide the same performance then i will probably go with the 650
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I bought a Asus p8z68 LX motherboard with an i5 2500k and a GTX 560Ti.
Is this going to be working well?
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On December 09 2011 11:33 TooN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I bought a Asus p8z68 LX motherboard with an i5 2500k and a GTX 560Ti.
Is this going to be working well?
As in it'll work? Yes. As in if it was a good choice of a motherboard? No.
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On December 09 2011 11:39 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On December 09 2011 11:33 TooN wrote:+ Show Spoiler +I bought a Asus p8z68 LX motherboard with an i5 2500k and a GTX 560Ti.
Is this going to be working well? As in it'll work? Yes. As in if it was a good choice of a motherboard? No.
Damn, can you recommend me a good motherboard 
and why that wouldn't be a good choice (spec wise)
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