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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On December 08 2011 04:53 skyR wrote: Thermalright is no where close to Noctua in postsale support. Noctua offers a 6 year warranty - what does Thermalright offer? Oh right... their heatsinks aren't widely available and this information which should be easily available to find is somewhere hidden on their website. Noctua offers lifetime support, you get a free mounting bracket that is universal for all their heatsinks that were basically released in the last five years. Thermalright requires you to pay for a mounting bracket that isn't even universal. Their heatsinks are widely available in Europe. Though you're correct that a 6 year warranty is really nice and they probably do have the better post-sale support. but is it worth the 35-40% increase in price? | ||
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skyR
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
http://www2.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=52673&agid=669 39.5% | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
If I remember correctly, all Corsair midrange and high end power supplies come in duffle bags. Noctua's gear has similarly good presentation. Edit: Even then, 40% isn't actually that much since they're only really like 10-20 Euros different in price. The mounting system is likely easier than Thermalright's stuff, they give you a full tube of their NT-H1 stuff instead of a half tube, a bunch of extremely easy to understand literature, a bunch of fan splitters and speed reduction adapters, and good warranty service. You don't even need a proof of purchase for them to send you a bracket, you just need a picture of the cooler and some form of identification. Its a losing battle for Thermalright to be honest. | ||
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Munk-E
United States672 Posts
THINGS TO NOTE: 1. This is for gaming 2. I have a budget of $630, and If i get say an i3 2100, I still wouldn't have enough for a 6950, and while i might be able to get a 560ti, I decided to get this and Crossfire later. 3. I do plan to get an aftermarket cooler, and eventually another 6870. My main concerns are 1. Is powercoler a reputable brand for video cards? I've never really heard of them, and there are a couple bad reviews, but it seems like a very good deal. 2. Is that PSU enough for crossfired 6870s and an overclocked CPU? Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter) Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Patriot G Series Sector 5 Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($24.99 @ Newegg) Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.95 @ Office Depot) Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: OCZ 600W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US) Total: $623.89 (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.) (Generated 2011-12-07 21:01 EST-0500) (P.S. I know the HDD isn't that price, but I know someone who will sell me one at a similar price, so it's just a placeholder.) Thanks! | ||
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Medrea
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
Corsair uses the same packaging as Seasonic, the two bags you get probably adds $20 to the price though I'm not complaining. Noctua's packaging isn't as fancy but their cardboard definitely feels like quality in comparison to what you get with others. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Thermalright can easily compete with looks alone, Noctua just is overpriced. And silver arrow doesn't even need speed reduction because it's silent. On December 08 2011 11:12 skyR wrote: That's unfortunate for Europeans. Corsair uses the same packaging as Seasonic, the two bags you get probably adds $20 to the price though I'm not complaining. Noctua's packaging isn't as fancy but their cardboard definitely feels like quality in comparison to what you get with others. In europe noctua is normal priced, in US thermalright just is overpriced edit: okay I realize this was confusing, I mean noctua is overpriced in general but its prices are similiar in both eu and us, whereas thermalright is priced more reasonably than noctua but it is overpriced in comparison to its european price in the US Am I the only person who loves this kind of packaging: ![[image loading]](http://www.overclockersclub.com/vimages/thermalright_silverarrow/1.jpg) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On December 08 2011 11:08 Munk-E wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi! I'm trying to purchase parts for my first gaming PC, and I would appreciate advice and criticisms on my current plan, THINGS TO NOTE: 1. This is for gaming 2. I have a budget of $630, and If i get say an i3 2100, I still wouldn't have enough for a 6950, and while i might be able to get a 560ti, I decided to get this and Crossfire later. 3. I do plan to get an aftermarket cooler, and eventually another 6870. My main concerns are 1. Is powercoler a reputable brand for video cards? I've never really heard of them, and there are a couple bad reviews, but it seems like a very good deal. 2. Is that PSU enough for crossfired 6870s and an overclocked CPU? Part list permalink / Part price breakdown by merchant CPU: Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor ($179.99 @ Microcenter) Motherboard: ASRock Z68 Extreme3 Gen3 ATX LGA1155 Motherboard ($114.99 @ Newegg) Memory: Patriot G Series Sector 5 Edition 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1333 Memory ($24.99 @ Newegg) Hard Drive: Seagate Barracuda 1TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($68.95 @ Office Depot) Video Card: PowerColor Radeon HD 6870 1GB Video Card ($139.99 @ Newegg) Case: Cooler Master HAF 912 ATX Mid Tower Case ($49.99 @ Newegg) Power Supply: OCZ 600W ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply ($44.99 @ NCIX US) Total: $623.89 (Prices include shipping and discounts when available.) (Generated 2011-12-07 21:01 EST-0500) (P.S. I know the HDD isn't that price, but I know someone who will sell me one at a similar price, so it's just a placeholder.) Thanks! pcpartpicker includes mail in rebates in your total. So are you fully aware of this and you want to include mail in rebates in your total or...? If you want to factor in money you don't own than the XFX Core Edition 650 for $50 is a much better choice for $5 more. Higher quality, longer warranty, and provides significantly more power: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=59616 HAF 912 can be had at NCIX for same price without doing a stupid mail in rebate. Just get a single 4gb stick for $17 and add another 4gb in later. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 08 2011 11:15 Shikyo wrote: @womwomwom Thermalright can easily compete with looks alone, Noctua just is overpriced. And silver arrow doesn't even need speed reduction because it's silent. In europe noctua is normal priced, in US thermalright just is overpriced Am I the only person who loves this kind of packaging: + Show Spoiler + I love banker's boxes and variations of them. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
http://www.overclockersclub.com/reviews/phanteks_ph_tc14pe/4.htm Testing errors? Anyway I wouldn't mind if it was better than NH-D14, it's absolutely gorgeous: ![[image loading]](http://www.silentrig.com/tuotekuvat/258x258/SR.jpg) | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
Obviously they're not having too much luck since the Archon is too tall to fit in most chassis, most people associate large coolers with the D14 and not the Silver Arrow, and they've been forced to adopt cheaper resellers and not giants like Newegg. Noctua offers fan speed adapters because they're not PWM fans, unlike Thermalright's TY140s. The TY140s are great fans but there is an actual reasons for it beyond "lol Noctua overpriced their fans suck so they need to add fan speed controllers". Edit: Can't believe companies are still using wire clips for fans  | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
If noctua NH-D14 looked like that.. >_> | ||
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skyR
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
The major computer store in the USA, the largest and most competitive market in the world for anything, doesn't stock their hardware. The reason for this, when people asked their customer support, is that they wanted to reduce distribution costs. That sounds like a company having trouble competing in a market with actual serious competition. If they were actually competitive, they wouldn't need to undercut Noctua by 40% and thus decrease their profit margins. Edit: The European Union, in terms of the amount of disposable income spent on useless shit like electronic goods, is not remotely comparable to the United States. Competition is so bloodthirsty in the States that people believe Black Friday is called that because it indicates the time of the year at which retailers begin to turn a profit. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
Super Flower doesn't sell anything in the US either and those PSUs are amazing. It's not like it's Thermalright's fault they're not based in US. Just like Super Flower, they're based in Taiwan and usually those companies don't have great distribution in the US, just like with Super Flower. | ||
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UniversalSnip
9871 Posts
The other route you can go is upgrade every component: Pentium G840 ($85), H61 ($50), 4gb DDR3 ($20), Radeon HD6670 ($80). Some questions I have - Is there a good way to check if all these components are compatible? Is this is an issue? - I checked my PSU and it's not strong enough to support that video card. I can't find any info that isn't from an amazon review or something on what it would require though. - When I upgrade multiple components in my PC, should I install them all at once or install, boot, install, etc? - I notice the recommended processor is 64 bit, is this an issue? For example is this gonna kill my operating system (XP)? | ||
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Womwomwom
5930 Posts
On December 08 2011 11:58 Shikyo wrote: Well it's pretty reasonable to reduce distribution costs if they need to distribute from europe to NA, the prices of thermalright stuff are skyhigh in NA in the first place. If the real price is 18€ below NH-D14 then it makes no sense to distribute to us like that if you need to sell at the same price. Super Flower doesn't sell anything in the US either and those PSUs are amazing. It's not like it's Thermalright's fault they're not based in US. Just like Super Flower, they're based in Taiwan and usually those companies don't have great distribution in the US, just like with Super Flower. Despite some companies being based in the United States, all the production is done is done outside of the United States so they still need to distribute from foreign soil to some place in the world. Ignoring Intel, AMD, Antec, and Corsair, basically every computer company in the world is based in Korea/China/Japan/Taiwan. SilverStone, Thermalright, Thermaltake, Coolermaster, Lian Li, etc. are all Taiwanese based for instance. Zalman and Scythe are Korean and Japanese respectively. The only major European companies I can think of are Arctic Cooling (Swiss) and Noctua (Austrian) and they have no problems distributing from Europe to NA. Obviously the currency you deal with is a problem (e.g. right now Japanese hate dealing with foreign markets because of the high Yen) but its not an excuse for cancelling widespread distribution if you are actually competitive. If you are as niche as, say, the large number of Japanese video game developers, obviously you are not going to bother with the United States market because you are non-competitive there. They've probably picked cheaper, smaller retailers because larger retailers routinely do full confidence orders on stock. If the confidence was overblown, they make the OEM take the whole stock back at full credit. Either way, this is not a good thing for the manufacturer. Off topic: This is why there is a huge difference between shipped vs sold and anyone using Nokia's or Samsung's shipped figures to prove the amount of phone sales is immediately wrong. | ||
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youngminii
Australia7514 Posts
On December 08 2011 09:38 Womwomwom wrote: The BenQ XL2410T sucks. Go Samsung for 120hz. Edit: I won't explain why, read the TFT Central review. It sucks because it's amazing for gaming purposes and it needs a little fine tuning? I don't really see your point. | ||
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