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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
October 27 2011 04:22 GMT
#13841
hey guys my dad asked me to help him build a pc for a server.. how does it differ from a gaming pc and what would the parts look like? any help is appreciated^^
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 27 2011 04:44 GMT
#13842
On October 27 2011 13:22 xeo1 wrote:
hey guys my dad asked me to help him build a pc for a server.. how does it differ from a gaming pc and what would the parts look like? any help is appreciated^^


What kind of server? Serving what? One single system? What operating system? Where will it be deployed? Is it intended for mission critical 24/7 enterprise use, home file server use, or something in between?

If the requirements are not steep, then it's just like any other computer. Compared to a gaming computer, it doesn't need a dedicated high-end graphics card, and likewise it doesn't need as much cooling or as large of a power supply, and so on. Everything else would be more or less the same.

For something more serious, you may want Intel Xeon and ECC RAM for reliability (if going x86 and not like a Sun UltraSparc or whatnot). If a lot of CPU processing power is needed, use a dual socket motherboard. If a lot of memory needed, use lots of RAM. If super fast storage is needed, use some enterprise SSDs. And so on.
siro)
Profile Joined January 2006
Australia848 Posts
October 27 2011 04:51 GMT
#13843
On October 27 2011 12:01 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 11:52 siro) wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi,

Looking to potentially upgrade my PC for some BF3 (D3 too) action.

Here are my current specs;
AMD Athlon II X4 630 2.80GHz Processor
Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H Mobo
CoolerMaster 650 PSU
GeForce GTX 260
2x 2GB Patriot RAM
30" Dell Main Display (2560x1600)
27" Dell Secondary (1920x1200)
Windows 7 Home Premium

According to canyourunit, it's the GPU letting me down. Can I simply replace the 260 with either a 550Ti or 560 (Much difference here?) and it will all run smoothly with my other components? Is this as easy as replacing physically then running installation CD? Does Windows have a problem with this?

Few other random questions;
Should I be disabling my secondary monitor to play intensive games? Does it make a difference?
Is the 550/560 not enough to run such a high resolution? Don't want to spend more than $150-200 AUD.. HERE is a link to the cheapest prices I have available.

Any other thoughts on my setup, much appreciated.


It's going to be an improvement but I'm not sure what settings you're expecting to run at that resolution. You definitely won't be able to play most games on max settings smoothly with either card though.

Installing a graphics card is as easy as you said. Remove the old one, put in the new one and plug in the cables, install drivers from the provided CD or download from the website, and you're done.

Removing your second monitor won't make a difference since rendering the desktop isn't intensive at all.


Ok thanks, I'm a bit of a computer novice.

Assuming I did get a card in that price range, can I just run the game on max settings in a non-native resolution? Say 1280x960 for example. Would this not look very good on such a large display?

Conversely would it be better to run 2560x1600 with low-medium in-game graphics?

I'm not sure how it all works tbh.

Is there a particular card that would go supermax on my system or are other components also holding that back? (Built this computer maybe 2 years ago now)

Thanks for the help kind sir.
xeo1
Profile Joined October 2011
United States429 Posts
October 27 2011 05:13 GMT
#13844
On October 27 2011 13:44 Myrmidon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 13:22 xeo1 wrote:
hey guys my dad asked me to help him build a pc for a server.. how does it differ from a gaming pc and what would the parts look like? any help is appreciated^^


What kind of server? Serving what? One single system? What operating system? Where will it be deployed? Is it intended for mission critical 24/7 enterprise use, home file server use, or something in between?

If the requirements are not steep, then it's just like any other computer. Compared to a gaming computer, it doesn't need a dedicated high-end graphics card, and likewise it doesn't need as much cooling or as large of a power supply, and so on. Everything else would be more or less the same.

For something more serious, you may want Intel Xeon and ECC RAM for reliability (if going x86 and not like a Sun UltraSparc or whatnot). If a lot of CPU processing power is needed, use a dual socket motherboard. If a lot of memory needed, use lots of RAM. If super fast storage is needed, use some enterprise SSDs. And so on.


it would be a server for running a website from home. I could use suggestions for the server itself also :o
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 27 2011 05:57 GMT
#13845
On October 27 2011 13:51 siro) wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 12:01 skyR wrote:
On October 27 2011 11:52 siro) wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
Hi,

Looking to potentially upgrade my PC for some BF3 (D3 too) action.

Here are my current specs;
AMD Athlon II X4 630 2.80GHz Processor
Gigabyte GA-MA785G-UD3H Mobo
CoolerMaster 650 PSU
GeForce GTX 260
2x 2GB Patriot RAM
30" Dell Main Display (2560x1600)
27" Dell Secondary (1920x1200)
Windows 7 Home Premium

According to canyourunit, it's the GPU letting me down. Can I simply replace the 260 with either a 550Ti or 560 (Much difference here?) and it will all run smoothly with my other components? Is this as easy as replacing physically then running installation CD? Does Windows have a problem with this?

Few other random questions;
Should I be disabling my secondary monitor to play intensive games? Does it make a difference?
Is the 550/560 not enough to run such a high resolution? Don't want to spend more than $150-200 AUD.. HERE is a link to the cheapest prices I have available.

Any other thoughts on my setup, much appreciated.


It's going to be an improvement but I'm not sure what settings you're expecting to run at that resolution. You definitely won't be able to play most games on max settings smoothly with either card though.

Installing a graphics card is as easy as you said. Remove the old one, put in the new one and plug in the cables, install drivers from the provided CD or download from the website, and you're done.

Removing your second monitor won't make a difference since rendering the desktop isn't intensive at all.


Ok thanks, I'm a bit of a computer novice.

Assuming I did get a card in that price range, can I just run the game on max settings in a non-native resolution? Say 1280x960 for example. Would this not look very good on such a large display?

Conversely would it be better to run 2560x1600 with low-medium in-game graphics?

I'm not sure how it all works tbh.

Is there a particular card that would go supermax on my system or are other components also holding that back? (Built this computer maybe 2 years ago now)

Thanks for the help kind sir.


In general I'd say to run native resolution and turn down settings, but experimenting is not a bad idea. Most graphics settings are related to the graphics card mostly. The CPU may hold you back in some games, but the old graphics card really is an issue at that kind of resolution.

Even a ~240 AUD GTX 560 Ti is just roughly twice as fast as the GTX 260, so performance is not going to be amazing.


On October 27 2011 14:13 xeo1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 13:44 Myrmidon wrote:
On October 27 2011 13:22 xeo1 wrote:
hey guys my dad asked me to help him build a pc for a server.. how does it differ from a gaming pc and what would the parts look like? any help is appreciated^^


What kind of server? Serving what? One single system? What operating system? Where will it be deployed? Is it intended for mission critical 24/7 enterprise use, home file server use, or something in between?

If the requirements are not steep, then it's just like any other computer. Compared to a gaming computer, it doesn't need a dedicated high-end graphics card, and likewise it doesn't need as much cooling or as large of a power supply, and so on. Everything else would be more or less the same.

For something more serious, you may want Intel Xeon and ECC RAM for reliability (if going x86 and not like a Sun UltraSparc or whatnot). If a lot of CPU processing power is needed, use a dual socket motherboard. If a lot of memory needed, use lots of RAM. If super fast storage is needed, use some enterprise SSDs. And so on.


it would be a server for running a website from home. I could use suggestions for the server itself also :o


Is the world going to explode if the server goes down for half a minute? I'm assuming super-duper reliability is not absolutely critical if you're operating it from home.

I'm not sure what you mean by suggestions for the server. The server is the hardware you're getting, right (which is more or less any typical computer build, but it doesn't need a graphics card)? Maybe I'll interpret that as a question about the software?

Again, what OS? For something like this I'd probably use some Linux distro (Red Hat I guess), but you may have other ideas. There are plenty of configuration guides for beginners. Then again, it's not like I run any servers or set them up.

Anyway, how much traffic and the kind of traffic (i.e. is it serving lots of different media content), will dictate the specs needed for the machine. Also figure out if you need to upgrade your Internet service plan. What's your upload speed? (hopefully enough)
Cronosc2
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany108 Posts
October 27 2011 07:13 GMT
#13846
On October 27 2011 07:52 MisterFred wrote:
Should work fine. The only thing I'd think to note is that it only has 2 ram slots, so if for some bizarre reason you were thinking of doing 4x2gb ram in the future, that wouldn't work.

so i should take 1 4gb stick ? :D:D
NRG
Profile Joined August 2010
United States26 Posts
October 27 2011 09:15 GMT
#13847
I would like to thank everyone who helped me build my PC ^^;; It was a long and painful process of OMG OMG WHY DOESN'T IT WORK...Oh I didn't plug something in...OMG IT WORKS. I can not thank you guys enough for this. You guys are the best community online and i'm happy to be apart of it.
MacroVsMicro-LoL name
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
October 27 2011 12:31 GMT
#13848
On October 27 2011 14:13 xeo1 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 13:44 Myrmidon wrote:
On October 27 2011 13:22 xeo1 wrote:
hey guys my dad asked me to help him build a pc for a server.. how does it differ from a gaming pc and what would the parts look like? any help is appreciated^^


What kind of server? Serving what? One single system? What operating system? Where will it be deployed? Is it intended for mission critical 24/7 enterprise use, home file server use, or something in between?

If the requirements are not steep, then it's just like any other computer. Compared to a gaming computer, it doesn't need a dedicated high-end graphics card, and likewise it doesn't need as much cooling or as large of a power supply, and so on. Everything else would be more or less the same.

For something more serious, you may want Intel Xeon and ECC RAM for reliability (if going x86 and not like a Sun UltraSparc or whatnot). If a lot of CPU processing power is needed, use a dual socket motherboard. If a lot of memory needed, use lots of RAM. If super fast storage is needed, use some enterprise SSDs. And so on.


it would be a server for running a website from home. I could use suggestions for the server itself also :o


Assuming it's for a relatively low-traffic website (less than a few thousand visitors per day), you can pretty much use any machine to do the trick. Grab a cheap second-hand computer, it'll do fine. Personally, I use a netbook as my home server, since it's very small and uses very little power.

If you want to use a Windows system for your server, hardware requirements go up a bit. I would just go for a Linux machine.
Such flammable little insects!
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 13:39:31
October 27 2011 13:35 GMT
#13849
Can anyone help me install my geforce 560? I just switched it with the other one. After booting my PC, the screen remains black and nothing happens!

PS: http://img214.imageshack.us/img214/227/111027153725.jpg I still got two of those is this the reason why nothing happens to work?
Rannasha
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
Netherlands2398 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 13:41:36
October 27 2011 13:40 GMT
#13850
On October 27 2011 22:35 CaM27 wrote:
Can anyone help me install my geforce 560? I just switched it with the other one. After booting my PC, the screen remains black and nothing happens!


Is the card properly mounted into the slot? Are all the relevant power cables connected? Is the fan on the graphics card spinning up? How about other hardware (CPU-fan, harddisks, etc...)?

edit: responding to your edit. Those cables are to connect your card to the powersupply. Plug the white end in one of the existing power cables coming out of the PSU and the black end into the relevant slot on the graphics card. If you have 2, you'll probably need to do this twice
Such flammable little insects!
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 27 2011 13:40 GMT
#13851
Reseat the graphics card, make sure the monitor is plugged into the card (and not the motherboard), and double check that both PCI Express 6-pin auxiliary power connectors from the power supply are plugged securely into the graphics card (through adapters is okay).
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 13:52:18
October 27 2011 13:49 GMT
#13852
On October 27 2011 22:40 Rannasha wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 22:35 CaM27 wrote:
Can anyone help me install my geforce 560? I just switched it with the other one. After booting my PC, the screen remains black and nothing happens!


Is the card properly mounted into the slot? Are all the relevant power cables connected? Is the fan on the graphics card spinning up? How about other hardware (CPU-fan, harddisks, etc...)?

edit: responding to your edit. Those cables are to connect your card to the powersupply. Plug the white end in one of the existing power cables coming out of the PSU and the black end into the relevant slot on the graphics card. If you have 2, you'll probably need to do this twice


The card is properly mounted in the slot. It even made a noise with the clips. I have one cable connected between the monitor and the gfx. I did connect them to my gfx but now i got no idea where to put this white end!

Uploading a picture now, maybe it will be easire for helping me, i m a reall disaster!
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
October 27 2011 13:53 GMT
#13853
http://img153.imageshack.us/img153/3538/p1020803x.jpg - Hope this helps for fixing my prob
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 27 2011 14:04 GMT
#13854
Unless my eyes are playing tricks on me, it looks like the adapters that are plugged into the graphics card on one side, are not connected to anything on the other side. The point is to have wires from the power supply connected through those 6-pin jacks on the graphics card, such that electricity may flow. Otherwise it's not going to work. You're looking for those 6-pin connectors on the power supply, and also those 4-pin molex to plug into the adapters.

Take a close picture of the label on the power supply. It looks like it's the unit that came with the box, which means you probably need to replace it with something that can actually handle the new graphics card. It probably doesn't have the electrical capability to power it safely, and it doesn't look like it has enough connectors either.

A modern unit of 380W or more (of an honest brand that can deliver what it claims) should be sufficient. If you need to purchase one, let us know what the options are.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
October 27 2011 14:10 GMT
#13855
I bought this computer today (prebuild one) and bought a new graphic card in same time.

It's an i7 - 8gb ddr3
Thought everything would be ok with this new card as the seller didn't mention it wouldn't or anything.
So yeah i guess i got screwed.
Please tell me what i should purchase

Here is the picture

http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/4180/p1020807dx.jpg
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
October 27 2011 14:13 GMT
#13856
Yeah it's not enough. Also the case is not very ideal for cooling such a graphics card, though it should still run okay. A graphics card with a case-exhausting heatsink/fan would have been a better choice.

Prices and availability of decent power supplies ranges wildly, so it's hard to give recommendations without knowing what the options are.
CaM27
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Belgium392 Posts
October 27 2011 14:17 GMT
#13857
Do you think i could resent this gfx with warranty?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-10-27 14:40:10
October 27 2011 14:32 GMT
#13858
Wait, if you want to host a website from home, can't you just pay someone like $200 per year to do it for you? Don't understand the rationale behind buying your own desktop and then fiddling around with it just to host a low traffic (I think?) website.

On October 27 2011 23:17 CaM27 wrote:
Do you think i could resent this gfx with warranty?


Probably but you'll probably end up paying that obligatory restocking fee. Warranty generally covers hardware that is DOA/damaged and not incompatible configurations or user error (in this case, a really bad PSU). I wouldn't lie to the computer store/manufacturer either since you're simply going to waste time and money.
Puph
Profile Joined June 2011
Canada635 Posts
October 27 2011 14:35 GMT
#13859
On October 27 2011 16:13 Cronosc2 wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 07:52 MisterFred wrote:
Should work fine. The only thing I'd think to note is that it only has 2 ram slots, so if for some bizarre reason you were thinking of doing 4x2gb ram in the future, that wouldn't work.

so i should take 1 4gb stick ? :D:D


2x2gb is a bit outdated. Get a 1x4gb or 2x4gb. i'd go with 2x4gb, dirt cheap and will last you that much longer. May i suggest Mushkin or G.Skill? Won't cost you more than 60 bucks for enough ram to last you the rest of the decade lol
Intel Dual Core 4400 @ ~2.00GHz / 2046MB RAM / 256 MB ATI Radeon x1300PRO
Cronosc2
Profile Joined August 2011
Germany108 Posts
October 27 2011 15:26 GMT
#13860
On October 27 2011 23:35 Puph wrote:
Show nested quote +
On October 27 2011 16:13 Cronosc2 wrote:
On October 27 2011 07:52 MisterFred wrote:
Should work fine. The only thing I'd think to note is that it only has 2 ram slots, so if for some bizarre reason you were thinking of doing 4x2gb ram in the future, that wouldn't work.

so i should take 1 4gb stick ? :D:D


2x2gb is a bit outdated. Get a 1x4gb or 2x4gb. i'd go with 2x4gb, dirt cheap and will last you that much longer. May i suggest Mushkin or G.Skill? Won't cost you more than 60 bucks for enough ram to last you the rest of the decade lol


so which way to go ?
this http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44319&agid=1192
or
http://www1.hardwareversand.de/articledetail.jsp?aid=44321&agid=1193
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