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Sweet! Thanks for the quick response.
I guess I'll head off and buy those parts then.
Streaming at high quality graphics and 720p+ shouldn't be a problem right?
And what about what Madoga said? Can I buy a cheaper power supply and therefore get a better mainboard or any other useful upgrade?
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Thing is, getting a cheaper good psu is ok, but that one is already pretty cheap and still very decent so ...
and streaming at 720p will be ok, 720+ probably wont be achievable with such a low budget, you'd need an OC'd i5-2500k which doesnt fit in your budget
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For ~7 euro more you have a golden green 450W, which is far superior. And for more than 14 euro less you have an amazon 450W which is about the same quality.
Both of these PSU's are allso more efficient so it will save you even more in the long run too.
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On September 09 2011 08:28 skyR wrote:
Lol it's amusing how no Sandforce based SSD is on that list. I don't disagree but it's hilarious how poor of a reputation Sandforce has.
You mean decrease load times and there's nothing special. You just set to AHCI (which most motherboards should already have on default) and Windows will automatically do its thing. It's just another C drive. You can do things here and there to get more space and to decrease writes but ya.. nothing special.
Ah, yeah that's what I meant. I saw some guide on the NewEgg forums, IIRC, explaining how to do this and that if you used an SSD as a boot drive, and frankly it just confused me more.
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On September 09 2011 08:57 MIKster wrote:Sweet! Thanks for the quick response. I guess I'll head off and buy those parts then. Streaming at high quality graphics and 720p+ shouldn't be a problem right? And what about what Madoga said? Can I buy a cheaper power supply and therefore get a better mainboard or any other useful upgrade?
I agree with Madoga regarding either the Amazon or Golden Green over the CX600 V2. That's just not a good price there, considering there's no need for a 600W unit. Given the price and the earlier suggestion, I was expecting that to be the GS600 (a little better) rather than the CX600 V2.
Also not all those parts in stock I think. Look for items with green bars.
There's not particularly anything worth upgrading for a small price bump though. You could get a motherboard with USB3 support if plan to use USB3 later, maybe.
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On September 09 2011 10:24 LazyMacro wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 08:28 skyR wrote:
Lol it's amusing how no Sandforce based SSD is on that list. I don't disagree but it's hilarious how poor of a reputation Sandforce has.
You mean decrease load times and there's nothing special. You just set to AHCI (which most motherboards should already have on default) and Windows will automatically do its thing. It's just another C drive. You can do things here and there to get more space and to decrease writes but ya.. nothing special. Ah, yeah that's what I meant. I saw some guide on the NewEgg forums, IIRC, explaining how to do this and that if you used an SSD as a boot drive, and frankly it just confused me more.
You mean a guide like this? Is this the most optimal way to set up the SSD/secondary hard drive?
http://www.overclock.net/ssd/664738-how-setup-ssd-boot-drive-secondary.html
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This is going to be kind of brief but here it goes...
are these good parts for a reliable gaming computer? I was looking at some of the reviews (and there are always bad ones) so i want to see if anyone has ever had trouble with any of the parts in it. I want to know whether to get extended warranties, etc.
Thank you!
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On September 09 2011 11:09 galtdunn wrote:This is going to be kind of brief but here it goes... are these good parts for a solid gaming computer? I was looking at some of the reviews (and there are always bad ones) so i want to see if anyone has ever had trouble with any of the parts in it. I want to know whether to get extended warranties, etc. Thank you!
The case, GPU, and HDD didn't make me want to vomit. You won't use 6 cores for gaming, and a Ph2 x6 is a bad CPU. Particularly for the price.
Barebones kits generally suck, but this one is much less horrid than the AMD one you linked.
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Ok, so I'm trying to figure out a build for my computer, but I'm relatively new to the whole thing. I figured I could post my requirements for a build and then tweak it if necessary. Also, I just found out that there's a 25% discount on Alienware refurbs right now (yeah, I know not the greatest thing) and wanted to see if I could get something for a similar price from them with comparable performance (highly doubtful). My new job and lack of car in the city makes things difficult, but I'm pretty sure I can bus it to a nearby Fry's or *shudder* Best Buy. I wouldn't mind just ordering a ton of stuff from NewEgg though and building it that way. Anywho, onto the requirements:
Budget: ~$1500 but flexible. I'd prefer not to spend more than that, but I don't mind pushing it to $1600
Resolution: 1920 x 1080 (Probably going to end up watching some HD movies on it as well once I get a solid monitor)
Uses: Gaming, streaming (720 at least), some photoshop/graphic design work, and some software development
Upgrade Cycle: ~2 years
When I plan on building it: within the next few weeks to a month
Overclocking: No big urge to unless I need it to make Deus Ex look sexy
OS: Already got it
Second GPU: Yes please
Where I can get parts: Fry's/any electronics stores in San Francisco but preferably online
Thanks in advance to anyone who helps out. There's a good chance I'll just use what I find here, but I'm open to tweaking stuff. Keep in mind that I don't have a monitor yet, so if you know of any great deals other than Newegg for them, feel free to throw those in here.
EDIT: I'm also debating getting a 60-80 gb SSD for my OS/games and using a 1 or 2 TB drive for everything else
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On September 09 2011 11:09 galtdunn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is going to be kind of brief but here it goes... are these good parts for a reliable gaming computer? I was looking at some of the reviews (and there are always bad ones) so i want to see if anyone has ever had trouble with any of the parts in it. I want to know whether to get extended warranties, etc. Thank you!
Why pay for extended Best Buy I mean Newegg when the manufacturer's warranty is longer ... ? Unless you want to deal with Newegg instead of the manufacturer for whatever reason than I guess that's fine if you want to waste money.
Why pay a premium for memory for a negligible gain when you can pay a premium for a better GPU that will offer a more noticeable gain?
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.html
http://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3
http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377
Why pay for a Phenom II X6 when its performance is five years old and Bulldozer is almost here? If you're an AMD fanboy, why not just wait patiently for Bulldozer? If you're not than Intel is the obvious choice for a gaming configuration.
On September 09 2011 11:13 Antedelerium wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, so I'm trying to figure out a build for my computer, but I'm relatively new to the whole thing. I figured I could post my requirements for a build and then tweak it if necessary. Also, I just found out that there's a 25% discount on Alienware refurbs right now (yeah, I know not the greatest thing) and wanted to see if I could get something for a similar price from them with comparable performance (highly doubtful). My new job and lack of car in the city makes things difficult, but I'm pretty sure I can bus it to a nearby Fry's or *shudder* Best Buy. I wouldn't mind just ordering a ton of stuff from NewEgg though and building it that way. Anywho, onto the requirements:
Budget: ~$1500 but flexible. I'd prefer not to spend more than that, but I don't mind pushing it to $1600
Resolution: 1920 x 1080 (Probably going to end up watching some HD movies on it as well once I get a solid monitor)
Uses: Gaming, streaming (720 at least), some photoshop/graphic design work, and some software development
Upgrade Cycle: ~2 years
When I plan on building it: within the next few weeks to a month
Overclocking: No big urge to unless I need it to make Deus Ex look sexy
OS: Already got it
Second GPU: Yes please
Where I can get parts: Fry's/any electronics stores in San Francisco but preferably online
Thanks in advance to anyone who helps out. There's a good chance I'll just use what I find here, but I'm open to tweaking stuff. Keep in mind that I don't have a monitor yet, so if you know of any great deals other than Newegg for them, feel free to throw those in here.
EDIT: I'm also debating getting a 60-80 gb SSD for my OS/games and using a 1 or 2 TB drive for everything else
Why are you doing CrossfireX / SLI if you are debating whether you should overclock or not? I don't understand the philosophy behind this. If you're going to do a multi-GPU configuration than you should overclock. A single GPU is more than powerful enough to play current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at 1080p though.
Your budget definitely allows for a 120gb SSD.
Any custom built is going to blow Alienware out the water.
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On September 09 2011 11:10 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:09 galtdunn wrote:This is going to be kind of brief but here it goes... are these good parts for a solid gaming computer? I was looking at some of the reviews (and there are always bad ones) so i want to see if anyone has ever had trouble with any of the parts in it. I want to know whether to get extended warranties, etc. Thank you! The case, GPU, and HDD didn't make me want to vomit. You won't use 6 cores for gaming, and a Ph2 x6 is a bad CPU. Particularly for the price. Barebones kits generally suck, but this one is much less horrid than the AMD one you linked.
Thanks for the quick response!
Um, could you explain a little bit about why it's better? I'm a n00b with computers.
I understand that you don't need 6 cores, but is there anything else?
Or maybe why so many people seem to think that AMD sucks? I'm just confused. Thanks again.
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AMD sucks because their second generation Phenoms competes with the Core 2 line from Intel which was released five years ago. And they also suck because competition is badly needed for Intel to remain in check yet Bulldozer has faced delay after delay after delay after delay.
A second generation Phenom that's overclocked can't even compare to that of this generation's core i5 processors or even last generation's core i5s: http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/cpu/display/core-i7-2600k-990x.html
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Well, skyR explained some of why that kit sucks, beyond the fact that it's a barebones kit, which means it sucks. They use those to clear stock of stuff that isn't selling. It's not selling for a reason.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/CPU/2
That's why everyone says AMD sucks.
The other kit is better because it isn't a Phenom2.
The GPU is worse, and not that great, but that's a much easier fix than CPU/mobo.
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On September 09 2011 11:24 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:13 Antedelerium wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Ok, so I'm trying to figure out a build for my computer, but I'm relatively new to the whole thing. I figured I could post my requirements for a build and then tweak it if necessary. Also, I just found out that there's a 25% discount on Alienware refurbs right now (yeah, I know not the greatest thing) and wanted to see if I could get something for a similar price from them with comparable performance (highly doubtful). My new job and lack of car in the city makes things difficult, but I'm pretty sure I can bus it to a nearby Fry's or *shudder* Best Buy. I wouldn't mind just ordering a ton of stuff from NewEgg though and building it that way. Anywho, onto the requirements:
Budget: ~$1500 but flexible. I'd prefer not to spend more than that, but I don't mind pushing it to $1600
Resolution: 1920 x 1080 (Probably going to end up watching some HD movies on it as well once I get a solid monitor)
Uses: Gaming, streaming (720 at least), some photoshop/graphic design work, and some software development
Upgrade Cycle: ~2 years
When I plan on building it: within the next few weeks to a month
Overclocking: No big urge to unless I need it to make Deus Ex look sexy
OS: Already got it
Second GPU: Yes please
Where I can get parts: Fry's/any electronics stores in San Francisco but preferably online
Thanks in advance to anyone who helps out. There's a good chance I'll just use what I find here, but I'm open to tweaking stuff. Keep in mind that I don't have a monitor yet, so if you know of any great deals other than Newegg for them, feel free to throw those in here.
EDIT: I'm also debating getting a 60-80 gb SSD for my OS/games and using a 1 or 2 TB drive for everything else Why are you doing CrossfireX / SLI if you are debating whether you should overclock or not? I don't understand the philosophy behind this. If you're going to do a multi-GPU configuration than you should overclock. A single GPU is more than powerful enough to play current and upcoming games on reasonably high settings at 1080p though. Your budget definitely allows for a 120gb SSD. Any custom built is going to blow Alienware out the water.
Well that answers my question as to whether or not overclocking is necessary for multi-GPU. I've heard mixed results from people that had no idea what they were talking about, hence why I came here. I figured that custom >>>> Alienware, it was just that I don't have as much time as I'd like on my hands to actually go through and figure out compatible parts for a solid rig.
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On September 09 2011 11:24 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:09 galtdunn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is going to be kind of brief but here it goes... are these good parts for a reliable gaming computer? I was looking at some of the reviews (and there are always bad ones) so i want to see if anyone has ever had trouble with any of the parts in it. I want to know whether to get extended warranties, etc. Thank you! Why pay for extended Best Buy I mean Newegg when the manufacturer's warranty is longer ... ? Unless you want to deal with Newegg instead of the manufacturer for whatever reason than I guess that's fine if you want to waste money. Why pay a premium for memory for a negligible gain when you can pay a premium for a better GPU that will offer a more noticeable gain? http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.htmlhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377Why pay for a Phenom II X6 when its performance is five years old and Bulldozer is almost here? If you're an AMD fanboy, why not just wait patiently for Bulldozer? If you're not than Intel is the obvious choice for a gaming configuration.
Ok well I'm going to try and not sound offended.... I am on this tech forum because I don't know what is best to buy. Please don't treat me like I'm trying to flush my money down a toilet. also, linking me to articles I don't understand isn't helping me either.
I don't think its possible to be a fanboy of something you only learned about yesterday either.
So I shouldn't buy anything AMD based because Intel is much better. Anything else I should avoid?
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@antewhatsit
If OCing is intimidating or too time intensive (or building your own rig, for that matter), you do NOT want to deal with a multi-GPU setup if you ever buy games in the month they come out.
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On September 09 2011 11:52 galtdunn wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:24 skyR wrote:On September 09 2011 11:09 galtdunn wrote:+ Show Spoiler +This is going to be kind of brief but here it goes... are these good parts for a reliable gaming computer? I was looking at some of the reviews (and there are always bad ones) so i want to see if anyone has ever had trouble with any of the parts in it. I want to know whether to get extended warranties, etc. Thank you! Why pay for extended Best Buy I mean Newegg when the manufacturer's warranty is longer ... ? Unless you want to deal with Newegg instead of the manufacturer for whatever reason than I guess that's fine if you want to waste money. Why pay a premium for memory for a negligible gain when you can pay a premium for a better GPU that will offer a more noticeable gain? http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/memory/display/sandy-bridge-ddr3.htmlhttp://www.anandtech.com/show/4503/sandy-bridge-memory-scaling-choosing-the-best-ddr3http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377Why pay for a Phenom II X6 when its performance is five years old and Bulldozer is almost here? If you're an AMD fanboy, why not just wait patiently for Bulldozer? If you're not than Intel is the obvious choice for a gaming configuration. Ok well I'm going to try and not sound offended.... I am on this tech forum because I don't know what is best to buy. Please don't treat me like I'm trying to flush money down a toilet. also, linking me to articles I also don't understand isn't helping me at all. I don't think its possible to be a fanboy of something you only learned about yesterday either. So I shouldn't buy anything AMD based because Intel is much better. Anything else I should avoid?
I think this is a reasonable response. Anyway, there's just a history of people coming by for advice with a lot of incorrect preconceived notions that they don't want to drop (even though they're asking for advice? yeah it's kinda weird). We're just looking to knock any of those out so you don't waste money.
I like CuraOh's configuration. It's a lot better, and you should just go with that. If you want to know the reasons why, then you've got some reading to do, and questions can be answered, but if you just want a build, there's a good one.
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On September 09 2011 11:53 JingleHell wrote:
@antewhatsit
If OCing is intimidating or too time intensive (or building your own rig, for that matter), you do NOT want to deal with a multi-GPU setup if you ever buy games in the month they come out.
I don't really buy games as soon as they come out and usually wait for a couple months, but I didn't realize that overclocking was really time intensive. If that's the case, then yeah, it just makes sense to have a single graphics card. I'll redo my request in a little bit then, taking all this to account. Thanks
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On September 09 2011 12:10 Antedelerium wrote:Show nested quote +On September 09 2011 11:53 JingleHell wrote:
@antewhatsit
If OCing is intimidating or too time intensive (or building your own rig, for that matter), you do NOT want to deal with a multi-GPU setup if you ever buy games in the month they come out. I don't really buy games as soon as they come out and usually wait for a couple months, but I didn't realize that overclocking was really time intensive. If that's the case, then yeah, it just makes sense to have a single graphics card. I'll redo my request in a little bit then, taking all this to account. Thanks
It isn't really that difficult, you just need to know what you're getting into before getting into it on certain things, multi-GPU is definitely one of them, and for some people, OCing might be as well, although it's supposed to be much easier on SB CPUs.
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