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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 29 2011 17:35 GMT
#4821
Quick question : does the i5-2400 has integrated graphics?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 29 2011 17:37 GMT
#4822
All of Intel's newest processors have integrated graphics which is automatically disabled if it detects a discrete graphics card in a PCI-E x16 slot.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#4823
Yeah, Intel HD Graphics 2000. Every single Core i3/i5/i7-2xxx has integrated graphics. You need a H61 or H67 (or Z68) chipset motherboard to use the integrated graphics though.
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
April 29 2011 17:38 GMT
#4824
Question about upgrading and Windows:

I understand if I change my mobo that was running an OEM version of Windows 7, I'd have to get a new copy, essentially a new cd-key, of Windows 7 if I swap out for a new mobo entirely. Does anyone have any experience with just upgrading the CPU, but keeping the same mobo and how that works?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 29 2011 17:42 GMT
#4825
Windows will ask you to re-activate online or ask you to call to call a number to get an activation code. Yes, the OEM version is meant for only one computer but you can just call Microsoft to reactivate again on a completely new computer (they won't say no).
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
April 29 2011 18:02 GMT
#4826
I'm trying build a new PC as my current one is pretty outdated. Per one of my friends' suggestions, I've currently purchased the following pieces:

Core i5 2500K LGA 1155 Boxed Processor ($179.99)
P8P67 Pro-R3 LGA 1155 ATX Intel Motherboard ($149.99)
MEM 4Gx2|GSKILL F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL ($149.98)

I'm now trying to get a graphics card, and that same friend has suggested that I get the Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 for $$149.00. He also said that I should get two for SLI if I have the budget for it. What do you guys think? Should I double up or just stick to one? I'd like this computer to last for around 4 years for gaming if possible.
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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 18:08:42
April 29 2011 18:07 GMT
#4827
I think i can make use of the integrated graph for now

MSI H61M-P21 (B3) H61 is the mobo

That said, how good is that integrated GPU? Enough to run sc2?

And powerwise, is the integrated AMD 4290 (on my other desktop) better than the integrated graphic on the new SB core?
djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 18:12:21
April 29 2011 18:07 GMT
#4828
On April 30 2011 02:42 skyR wrote:
Windows will ask you to re-activate online or ask you to call to call a number to get an activation code. Yes, the OEM version is meant for only one computer but you can just call Microsoft to reactivate again on a completely new computer (they won't say no).

I can call them to reactivate on a completely new mobo, or is that only for same mobo but new cpu? I find it strange that they'll just reactivate if you're swapping in a different mobo.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 18:17:23
April 29 2011 18:13 GMT
#4829
@XaI)CyRiC

The 5850 is a good choice. Stick to one graphics card unless you are playing at a resolution higher than 1920x1200. It's always better to upgrade to a better next-genereation graphics card than to get another graphics card for CrossfireX.

The RAM you have there is severely overpriced. A 2x4GB kit should be no higher than ~$80. If you are purchasing RAM higher than $100 than you better have a flagship CPU and GPU or a good reason to (gaming is not a good reason as there is a very minor performance difference between various timings and frequencies).

@XenOmega

Yes, you can make use of the integrated graphics. It's not very good if you are planning on playing at high resolutions. The integraated graphics card on the Intel should be slightly better thana the one found on your motherboard but don't expect enormous differences unless you are getting a core i5 2500k (K variants have HD3000 as opposed to the standard CPUs that come with HD2000).

@djcube

You can call them to reactivate on an entirely new computer (all new hardware).
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 29 2011 18:17 GMT
#4830
Oh, too bad, should have went for the 2500k if I would have known this (or maybe not -.-). I'm still waiting to receive my 250$ futureshop gift card to buy myself a new GPU and give my friend's build my 5770. Meanwhile, I'll just use the integrated of the i5-2400 to do the installations, tests, etc.

I dont know my friend's resolution, but it certainly isnt 1080. I believe he got his monitor 3-4 years ago. Its 20 inches, or less

ty again!
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
April 29 2011 18:19 GMT
#4831
Thanks for the input skyR!
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miL.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada93 Posts
April 29 2011 19:18 GMT
#4832
Hey I'm helping my friend put together a computer and I'm just hoping that someone could make sure everything looks good.

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CPU: i5-2500k - $219.99
MOBO: Gigabyte GA-P67A-UD3-B3 - $134.99
RAM: Mushkin PC3-10666 8GB - $89.99
HDD: WD 500GB Black - $54.99
PSU: Corsair CX500 - $59.99
Case: Antec 300 - $69.99
GPU: Sapphire 6950 - $259.99
OS: Windows 7 64 bit


I know that the PSU/Case is pretty over priced, but ordering online from ncix or newegg is not an option. Thanks in advance.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-29 19:35:23
April 29 2011 19:35 GMT
#4833
PSU and case aren't that overpriced at just some $5-15 too much for each. All the other prices except the CPU seem similarly inflated, so I wouldn't single them out as too far out of line.

The system looks good, except there's no aftermarket CPU cooler? With a i5-2500k and P67 motherboard, I assume the CPU is getting overclocked.

Also, it kind of seems a shame to use a CX series on a build with a relatively high-end GPU like a HD 6950 and with some non-trivial CPU overclocking. It's not a bad unit, and the build's not going to go over 300W in a game, but maybe there is a better option for not that much extra money? What other models are available? The rest of the build is fairly high end except for the lack of SSD, so it seems like money is not that tight.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
April 29 2011 20:10 GMT
#4834
On April 30 2011 03:02 XaI)CyRiC wrote:
I'm trying build a new PC as my current one is pretty outdated. Per one of my friends' suggestions, I've currently purchased the following pieces:

Core i5 2500K LGA 1155 Boxed Processor ($179.99)
P8P67 Pro-R3 LGA 1155 ATX Intel Motherboard ($149.99)
MEM 4Gx2|GSKILL F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL ($149.98)

I'm now trying to get a graphics card, and that same friend has suggested that I get the Sapphire Radeon HD 5850 for $$149.00. He also said that I should get two for SLI if I have the budget for it. What do you guys think? Should I double up or just stick to one? I'd like this computer to last for around 4 years for gaming if possible.


Decided to go with a single Sapphire Radeon HD 5850. Any recommendations for power supply and HD? I'm tempted to go SSD, but not sure if it's worth the additional cost.
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skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 29 2011 20:24 GMT
#4835
These would be good choices:

XFX Core Edition 450w @ $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207012

Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB @ $65
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Whether a SSD is worth the cost is up to you. It would be worth it imo if you shut down / restart computer often and play games that have a lot of loading (WoW and Portal 2 come to mind, possibly Diablo 3 as well). If the computer is primarily for Starcraft, no it would not be worth it since loading is pretty fast as it is after you play your first game and you are going to have to wait for your opponents to load anyways.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 29 2011 20:26 GMT
#4836
A current good value is the Antec Neo Eco 620C for $65 (before $20 MIR) if you're fine with mail-in rebates:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371031

That has enough power to run two HD 5850s easily, though you'd need to use included molex adapters to do so.

Another good value is a Corsair CX430 for $45 (before $20 MIR):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139017

If no MIR wanted...you can go as low as the Antec Earthwatts Green 380D for $40, which can realistically put out about as much power as the CX430. It might just be worth getting the Neo Eco 620C though.
XaI)CyRiC
Profile Joined October 2002
United States4471 Posts
April 29 2011 21:46 GMT
#4837
Thanks again for the recommendations. Really appreciate it!
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djcube
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States985 Posts
April 29 2011 22:22 GMT
#4838
What kind of price drops can we expect, if any, of any current CPUs when the AMD Bulldozer series releases?
miL.
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada93 Posts
April 29 2011 22:29 GMT
#4839
Thanks Myrmidon. My friend isn't interested in overclocking, and so the only reason I've picked the 'k' version is because our local retailer is out of the regular version, and they're the same price anyway. Thus, a cpu cooler won't be needed.

I was under the impression that the H67 boards were aimed towards non-dedicated GPU setups, hence the choice of a P67 board. I remember looking at some kind of website about the differences in boards but I've seemed to lose the link.

As far as the power supply goes, anything from Memory Express would work. The main choice is either between Antec or Corsair.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 29 2011 22:30 GMT
#4840
On April 30 2011 07:22 djcube wrote:
What kind of price drops can we expect, if any, of any current CPUs when the AMD Bulldozer series releases?


Depends on Bulldozer performance and pricing way too much to answer. If they outperform Sandy Bridge, then intel might be forced to drop prices a bit, if the pricing is competitive. If they outperform in some ways but not others, likely little to none, but again depending on pricing, and if they don't outperform at all, no drop whatsoever, guaranteed.
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