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I've been reading through the thread, trying to glean information from other people's questions, and I have one of my own.
I saw a mobo/CPU bundle on Tigerdirect for an i5-2500k along with an MSI mobo. What I'm trying to figure out is how strong the motherboard will be going forward. I'm slowly setting up a new build and this is my next step.
These will be paired with my current Radeon HD5770 assuming things work out fine. I have never overclocked, but it seems pretty simple with this setup, so I wouldn't rule it out. I dont think I'd ever run two GPUs (I don't plan on playing much more than SC2/LoL/Diablo 3 in the coming years) so the single x16 should be sufficient, right?
What do you guys think of that bundle deal as seen here: tigerdirect link
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Yes, that motherboard/CPU combo should work fine. If you are only using one card (and honestly, you should only be using one card) a single x16 slot is enough.
If you are thinking that the motherboard will blow up, I really, really doubt it but it hasn't been the first time a mid-range MSI motherboard has blown up due to stupidly high overclocks.
The i5-2500k should overclock to 4ghz easy by simply changing the multiplier. If you're not confident with changing voltages, just change the multiplier around until you get a stable setting.
The bundle deal is OK, you save around $20.
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Aren't there reports of lower-range (well, the MSI motherboards with unheatsinked 4+1 phase designs with traditional two power MOSFETs per phase) burning with stock Phenom II X6? I forget. If they were overclocked, that's a different matter.
To be fair, stock Phenom II X6 takes more power than overclocked i5-2500k by a decent margin, unless you're pushing stupidly high overclocks. So I wouldn't worry.
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On April 28 2011 23:08 Miiike wrote:I've been reading through the thread, trying to glean information from other people's questions, and I have one of my own. I saw a mobo/CPU bundle on Tigerdirect for an i5-2500k along with an MSI mobo. What I'm trying to figure out is how strong the motherboard will be going forward. I'm slowly setting up a new build and this is my next step. These will be paired with my current Radeon HD5770 assuming things work out fine. I have never overclocked, but it seems pretty simple with this setup, so I wouldn't rule it out. I dont think I'd ever run two GPUs (I don't plan on playing much more than SC2/LoL/Diablo 3 in the coming years) so the single x16 should be sufficient, right? What do you guys think of that bundle deal as seen here: tigerdirect link
Always a good idea to google for reviews of that motherboard for other people's experiences with it.
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Came up with this build after a bit of research:
XIGMATEK UTGARD Midi Tower
Antec EarthWatts EA-750 750Watt 80+ power supply
ASRock P67 Extreme4 Intel P67
Intel Core I5 2500K Box
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus
Patriot Viper Xtreme DDR3-2000 CL9 6GB Kit (3x2GB) PX736G2000ELK
Palit GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB GDDR5
Will welcome any suggestions/criticism (in the same budget of course).
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On April 29 2011 02:57 Caveman255 wrote:
Came up with this build after a bit of research:
XIGMATEK UTGARD Midi Tower
Antec EarthWatts EA-750 750Watt 80+ power supply
ASRock P67 Extreme4 Intel P67
Intel Core I5 2500K Box
CoolerMaster Hyper 212 Plus
Patriot Viper Xtreme DDR3-2000 CL9 6GB Kit (3x2GB) PX736G2000ELK
Palit GeForce GTX 560Ti 2GB GDDR5
Will welcome any suggestions/criticism (in the same budget of course).
Don't get a triple channel RAM kit for a P67 board. Seems rather silly. Buy 2x4gb or 2x2GB. 3x2gb is for X58 boards.
2GB 560ti is probably high unless you do modelling or other VRAM intensive stuff, or use super high resolution.
PSU is way over what you need. I'm sure our bargain hunting experts can probably get you specifics, but I would guess you could probably save about $100 off those.
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dont need 750w of power, 450-500 is plenty of plenty. something like the xfx core 450 or antec hcg 520
you could probably spend less on the motherboard, as you dont really need sli/crossfire support
triple channel ram is not compatible with that chipset, you need to find dual channel ram (ie 2x2, 2x4 etc.) also, 2000 performs the same as 1333 essentially so you can get some regular kingston 1333mhz ram and itll do the same job
no harddrive/dvd dirve?
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On April 28 2011 23:41 Myrmidon wrote:
Aren't there reports of lower-range (well, the MSI motherboards with unheatsinked 4+1 phase designs with traditional two power MOSFETs per phase) burning with stock Phenom II X6? I forget. If they were overclocked, that's a different matter.
To be fair, stock Phenom II X6 takes more power than overclocked i5-2500k by a decent margin, unless you're pushing stupidly high overclocks. So I wouldn't worry.
A lot of AMD's MSI boards seemed to like exploding and catching on fire...obviously it happens more frequently on overclocked processors but it also did happen on stock processors.
Some people have had their higher end MSI 890FX boards explode on some fairly basic 4Ghz overclocks. You could argue the PWMs and MOSFETs weren't really designed to take the strain of anything more powerful than an AMD X4 but its pretty weak that they can't handle BE processors.
I think you're actually right. The Phenom II X6s were horribly inefficient especially overclocked and I don't think its possible for a normal person to draw the same amount of power out of a Sandy Bridge chip clocked at around 4.5Ghz.
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@Caveman255
Very poorly thought out build.
You'll want an aftermarket cooler such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for overclocking your 2500K.
I'm assuming you will be doing SLI sometime in the future. If I am mistaken than you could save some money by downgrading the power supply to a lower wattage and downgrading the motherboard to a Asrock P67 Pro3 or equivalent board.
Purchasing 2000MHz RAM is a waste of money unless the rest of your configuration is top of the line which yours is far from. The performance difference is very minor, see here: http://techreport.com/articles.x/20377 You'll also want a dual channel kit (2x4GB) for the P67. Triple channel is only supported on the X58 chipset.
There's no reason to get a GTX 560 2GB variant. If you are playing at 2560x1600, it's better to get a 6950 2GB CrossfireX setup.
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HDD and DVD are pretty cheap so I left them out of the discussion.
Do consider that this computer is supposed to last me for about 3-4 years and I'm more than likely to be overclocking it in the future, so I think a 750W PSU would be better since they do get weaker with time.
2GB 560Ti isn't much more expensive than 1GB and it seems that the Palit card specifically overclocks well. And about resolution I'm currently on 1920x1080 and will probably go up to 2560x1600 in a year or two.
Why don't I need SLI support? In 2 years i could add another GTX 560 when they're a bit cheaper and give my computer a boost for another year or two.
Stupidity noted on the RAM 
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On April 29 2011 03:08 skyR wrote:
There's no reason to get a GTX 560 2GB variant. If you are playing at 2560x1600, it's better to get a 6950 2GB CrossfireX setup.
I agree, it would be better if I was pooping money.
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On April 29 2011 03:11 Caveman255 wrote:HDD and DVD are pretty cheap so I left them out of the discussion. Do consider that this computer is supposed to last me for about 3-4 years and I'm more than likely to be overclocking it in the future, so I think a 750W PSU would be better since they do get weaker with time. 2GB 560Ti isn't much more expensive than 1GB and it seems that the Palit card specifically overclocks well. And about resolution I'm currently on 1920x1080 and will probably go up to 2560x1600 in a year or two. Why don't I need SLI support? In 2 years i could add another GTX 560 when they're a bit cheaper and give my computer a boost for another year or two. Stupidity noted on the RAM
SLI is only a good solution in 2 cases. Current flagship card, and Current near flagship card within ~4 months of lineup release. Case 1 gives you better than you could get with any other single card, and Case 2 these days will hit higher performance at generally less cost than a flagship from the same lineup within that time frame.
No other time does a multi-GPU setup make sense.
1920x1080 you don't need anything resembling 2GB of VRAM unless you do intensive stuff like 3d modelling. Gaming, the RAM is about resolution, and the GPU is about the speed (thats the short version)
750w PSU is utter overkill. I'm running a much hungrier rig on a TX650 with tons of overhead.
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PSUs do degrade in efficiency but honestly they either work or they die. One or the other, buying a 1000W power supply isn't going to protect you from this or last any longer than a 500W PSU.
Why don't I need SLI support? In 2 years i could add another GTX 560 when they're a bit cheaper and give my computer a boost for another year or two.
Because SLI is completely driver dependent. If your company doesn't release drivers for XXX game, you can't use the benefits of SLI. If you want to use a multi-GPU system pushing high resolutions, CrossFireX generally performs better than SLI does now - it tends to scale better and the cards love huge resolutions.
In two years, two new generations of cards (that means a GTX800 and a HD8000 will exist) will be released on an entirely new manufacturing process. Chances are a fairly mid range card is going to match your GTX560 SLI performance with a fraction of the heat, noise, driver issues, power requirements, etc.
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I think Im believing more and more statements about how inefficient SLI/Crossfire is. Does that mean that getting full ATX mobo is almost pointless, and we are almost always better off with a M-atx mobo?
(you don't need those extra PCIx16. Granted, if you need more sata/usb/ram slot, obviously, you will still get a full mobo)
edit : Overclock. I've successfully overclocked my 1055 to 3.5ghz. However, I am not capable of going any higher (without getting blue screen, or errors). I've upped the fsb, lowered the north and south bridge multiplied to 9 (10 to 9), and adjusted the Ram to stay as close as possible to 1333.
Mobo is Gigabyte 890gpa-ud3h
What should I try? Or, perhaps a first question, is there a point of trying to OC higher than 3.5?
Do you think its a good idea to disable some of the cores to lower the temperature (its running around 30-50)? I heard no game/program trully use the 6 cores anyway
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On April 29 2011 03:29 XenOmega wrote:
I think Im believing more and more statements about how inefficient SLI/Crossfire is. Does that mean that getting full ATX mobo is almost pointless, and we are almost always better off with a M-atx mobo?
(you don't need those extra PCIx16. Granted, if you need more sata/usb/ram slot, obviously, you will still get a full mobo)
Mobo is utterly user dependent based on feature requirements, yes.
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Not sure what the other people think, but I don't think there is any reason not to get a mATX motherboard unless you need specific features (as you mentioned). I haven't found a really good P67 mATX motherboard though.
SLI/Crossfire isn't inefficient its getting close to 100% scaling in AAA titles but you either buy it soon after you get the first card or don't bother because single card solutions are always going to be better. Remember technology moves fast, in a bit more than 6 months time your GTX580 is going to get outperformed by tomorrow's HD6950s and GTX570s.
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Getting an mATX or ATX depends on the needs and wants of an individual.
There is actually no reasonably priced mATX P67 board that has a decent overclocking potential afaik. The only decent mATX board that comes to mind would be the ASUS P8P67M Pro but that is priced ~$10-$20 higher than the Gigabyte P67 UD3 and Asrock P67 Pro3.
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On April 28 2011 23:18 Womwomwom wrote:
Yes, that motherboard/CPU combo should work fine. If you are only using one card (and honestly, you should only be using one card) a single x16 slot is enough.
If you are thinking that the motherboard will blow up, I really, really doubt it but it hasn't been the first time a mid-range MSI motherboard has blown up due to stupidly high overclocks.
The i5-2500k should overclock to 4ghz easy by simply changing the multiplier. If you're not confident with changing voltages, just change the multiplier around until you get a stable setting.
The bundle deal is OK, you save around $20.
As I said I'm not too strong on mootherboard knowledge. What are the other options out there for a single GPU, Intel-based setup? I see a lot of reccomendations for gigabyte mobos, are they a good go-to option?
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