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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
GTR
Profile Blog Joined September 2004
51567 Posts
April 28 2011 02:11 GMT
#4761
sigh, will i have to purchase some cables separately then?
Commentator
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 28 2011 02:17 GMT
#4762
The motherboard looks like it comes with 4 SATA cables though, so you're set. Most cheaper ones come with 2.
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
April 28 2011 02:26 GMT
#4763
Yes you have to buy your own cables if you don't have any left in your motherboard box. pccasegear will give you your hard disks in that clamshell case covered in a mile of bubble wrap.

Just go you any random computer store and you'll get SATA cables cheap.
crazeman
Profile Blog Joined July 2010
664 Posts
April 28 2011 03:34 GMT
#4764
On April 28 2011 10:31 skyR wrote:
@Xemnes_BW

So you have a Dell prebuilt and it looks like you are using integrated graphics. So you would definitely want a discrete graphics card to achieve your 80 FPS goal and a new power supply would most likely be required. To stream, you'll want a quad core. So you have three options (all of which require a new graphics card and power supply).

Performance between various processors can be seen here: http://www.anandtech.com/show/4083/the-sandy-bridge-review-intel-core-i7-2600k-i5-2500k-core-i3-2100-tested/20

Option 1 ($325): Upgrade to a better processor on the same socket

Intel Core 2 Q8400 @ $170
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115057

Radeon HD5770 @ $115 ($95 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873

Antec Earthwatts 380D @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

Option 2 ($440): Upgrade to the newest & best performing platform (requiring new motherboard, processor, RAM)
*best option imo

Core i5 2300 @ $185
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115076

H61 motherboard @ $60
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157241

Gskill 2x2GB 1333MHz @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231253

Radeon HD5770 @ $115 ($95 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873

Antec Earthwatts 380D @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

Option 3 ($194): upgrade to a quad core AMD (new motherboard & processor) and reuse DDR2

Athlon II X4 640 @ $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103871

Asrock N68-S @ $39
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157202

Radeon HD5770 @ $115 ($95 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102873

Antec Earthwatts 380D @ $40
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033


Also you should note whether or not your PC is a "slim" dell tower. The slim ones usually require you to get a low profile graphics card in order to fit in the case.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 28 2011 03:35 GMT
#4765
Monitor purchase. What should I get? (considering a 200$ or so budget. Canada obviously)

ty

Robert
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 03:43:07
April 28 2011 03:42 GMT
#4766
@XenOmega

The ASUS 23" for $99: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=38845&promoid=1097 lolol already sold out ><

The second best monitor deal would be a BenQ 24" for $200: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=55963&promoid=1097
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 28 2011 04:12 GMT
#4767
damn missed that asus 23 :'(
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 28 2011 04:15 GMT
#4768
How about vid card? the 5xxx AMD are insanely low (or so I believe). But, probably not the best choice!

one of the 570 is at 270$
560 at 199$ after 20mir

any other good deal? Trying to gear up for Battlefield 3 :D
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 28 2011 04:42 GMT
#4769
Ok, so I have a 250$ gift card for future shop

They have
ZOTAC 580 at 483$
ZOTAC 570 at 334$
Diamond 6970 2gb at 399$
Diamond 6950 2gb at 317$

I was thinking 570 since it would only cost me 60$ difference. Thoughts?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 28 2011 04:46 GMT
#4770
OCZ Vertex 2 120gb for $150 was a good deal but they already increased price back to $180 lol. 8GB of RAM for $75 is also good.

GTX 460 768mb Cyclone for $100 is a good one but you probably want a better card for BC3. The MSI GTX 570 is $290 (270 after mail in rebate) is very good.

I'd save the giftcard for something else.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 28 2011 04:52 GMT
#4771
In terms of price/performance, GTX 570 should be the best option, but it has higher power draw and noise than the AMD alternatives there (well, noise is higher at load if those are reference design cards, which may or may not be the case).
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 28 2011 04:59 GMT
#4772
@ Skyr : Yea, but if you remember, the computer I've built for my friend arrived has no Video card, so I'll have to remove the 5770 from my computer and replace it with another card lol!
So, either I use the 250 gift for a video card, or I save and run SC2 on my integrated graphic (i believe it is ati 4290) (My mobo is Gigabyte 890GPA-UD3H 890GX)

Thoughts?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 28 2011 05:33 GMT
#4773
I'm assuming you are talking about this card: http://www.futureshop.ca/en-CA/product/diamond-diamond-radeon-6970pe52gxoc-2048mb-gddr5-pci-e-video-card-6970pe52gxoc/10162857.aspx

If you're going to use a gift card, use their 110% pricematch policy and pricematch down the 6970 to $352 using: http://www.directcanada.com/products/?sku=11340BD0672

If the sales rep refuses to do it, you call for the manager. If that fails, you either go to another futureshop or do it online.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 06:11:39
April 28 2011 06:11 GMT
#4774
hey guys, a friend of mine is building a new pc with the intention of doing music mixing/recording/mastering/etc and a little bit of gaming. ive had him answer the thread questions:

What is your budget? Between 1600 and 2000 CAD, obviously the lower the better, if it's not necessary/recommended to go higher.
What is your resolution? 1920x1080
What are you using it for? Mainly recording, mixing, mastering, and gaming, but recording has priority
What is your upgrade cycle? not specific, but assume a long upgrade cycle
When do you plan on building it? This week-end.
Do you plan on overclocking? no
Do you need an Operating System? no
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? no
Where are you buying your parts from? newegg

i have no idea what requirements a recording/mastering computer needs :X he also needs stuff like a soundcard, mouse/keyboard/monitor. please keep in mind that he already has this motherboard http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128423&cm_re=GA-X58A-UD3R-_-13-128-423-_-Product so will be limited to the 1366 socket.

sorry if i havent provided enough information :X
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
April 28 2011 06:25 GMT
#4775
Oh how convenient. I never knew Futureshop was doing pricematch!!!

Do you think they accept pricematch with Ncix?

update : I think the 6970 is out of stock, because I am not able to checkout when its in my shopping basket
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 07:13:35
April 28 2011 07:09 GMT
#4776
@Legatus Lanius

Since your friend knows his music, he should be the one picking out a sound card ($100+) that suits his needs and wants.

Total comes to $1081 before sound card (+$100), monitor (+$200), other peripherals (+$100), and mail in rebates, your final total should be around $1500:

Core i7 950 @ $270
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115211
+ Show Spoiler +
If he's serious about music, it would be worth it (in my mind anyways) to wait until Bulldozer's release in June / ditch the X58 and get a H61 / H67 / P67 and core i7 2600.

GSkill 3x4GB 1333MHz @ $135
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231356

Gigabyte Radeon 6850 OC @ $175 ($155 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125353

Western Digital Caviar Green 2TB @ $80
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822136514

Intel 510 Series 120GB @ $270
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167042

XFX Core Edition Pro 550w @ $70
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817207013

Coolermaster HAF 912 @ $60 ($50 after mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119233

DVD Drive @ $21
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204



@XenOmega

Their policies state that they will pricematch prices advertised on the internet as long as the retailer is an authorized Canadian retailer (which NCIX is). Whether they accept it or not depends on the store's staff.
Legatus Lanius
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
2135 Posts
April 28 2011 07:15 GMT
#4777
thanks skyr, you're a hero
"He's the Triple H of Brood War." - Ribbon on Flash | "He's more like the John Cena of Brood War." - Aus)MaCrO on Flash
GrundlePinch
Profile Joined October 2010
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 12:29:05
April 28 2011 12:27 GMT
#4778
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2011 01:02 GrundlePinch wrote:
Hello again!
After many hours on these forums, other sites and Newegg I think I have finally decided upon a build. This will be the first computer I have made and am open to any other suggestions.

CPU
Intel Core i5-2500 Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W Quad-Core Desktop Processor $210 @Newegg

GPU
SAPPHIRE 100314SR Radeon HD 6870 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card with Eyefinity $210 @Newegg

Mobo
ASRock H61M/U3S3 LGA 1155 Intel H61 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard $80 @Newegg

PSU
XFX Core Edition PRO450W (P1-450S-XXB9) 450W ATX12V 2.2 & ESP12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $55 @Newegg

RAM
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL9D-8GBRL $85 @Newegg

Case
COOLER MASTER HAF 912 RC-912-KKN1 Black SECC/ ABS Plastic ATX Mid Tower Computer Case $60 @Newegg

HDD
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5002AALX 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 6.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive $60 @Newegg

Add a standard DVD drive and it totals up to $780.92 before rebates, shipping and tax


I already have Windows 7 install discs.

I was just hoping someone would be able to confirm that all of these parts are compatable. Also I wouldn't mind spending some more (~$100) if it would mean a significant boost in performance.

I hope to play games at max setting while also streaming and do not plan on over-clocking.

My main concerns are:

-Mobo not being adequate
-PSU being insufficent
-Graphics card not fitting in case


Thanks in advance guys!!!





Well... after getting ready to order all the parts I discover that the PSU I was planning on buying went out of stock. However, I see that this PSU is on sale for ~$20 after rebates with free shipping. Antec Basiq BP430 430W Continuous Power ATX12V Version 2.2 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Suppl @ Newegg This seems like a pretty good deal to me.

I was hoping that someone would let me know if it would be able to power my build with hopefully some growing room for eventual upgrades. My build is in the spoiler. Thanks in advance as always.

(I hope I am not becoming a nuisance around here >.<)
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 28 2011 12:48 GMT
#4779
Hm, Antec's Basiq line is not great, though it shouldn't be bad. The BP430 would be enough. There are multiple revisions of that line, so it gets confusing. I'm not even sure if the units being sold have the same specs as what's listed on newegg. e.g. for a time, they were showing the label of the old unit

At the current price, I think a better option is the Antec Basiq 550 Plus ($50):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

It's modular, made by Delta (trusted OEM that also makes Earthwatts series, etc.), and has way more power than you need--not that that's necessarily a good thing. It also has two PCI-E connectors, which most units at that price do not have. Actually, the BP430 is also made by Delta, but I think it may be a slightly lower-end design? Or maybe not the current BP430 being sold?

Something that is more well-known and independently reviewed to be okay is the Corsair CX430 ($45 before $20 MIR):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139017

If you want to deal with the mail-in rebate, that's the best deal. The XFX Core probably had better performance and components than any of the above by a bit, but oh well.

By the way, here is some currently cheaper 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM ($70):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231416
GrundlePinch
Profile Joined October 2010
United States29 Posts
Last Edited: 2011-04-28 13:05:21
April 28 2011 13:04 GMT
#4780
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 28 2011 21:48 Myrmidon wrote:
Hm, Antec's Basiq line is not great, though it shouldn't be bad. The BP430 would be enough. There are multiple revisions of that line, so it gets confusing. I'm not even sure if the units being sold have the same specs as what's listed on newegg. e.g. for a time, they were showing the label of the old unit

At the current price, I think a better option is the Antec Basiq 550 Plus ($50):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371016

It's modular, made by Delta (trusted OEM that also makes Earthwatts series, etc.), and has way more power than you need--not that that's necessarily a good thing. It also has two PCI-E connectors, which most units at that price do not have. Actually, the BP430 is also made by Delta, but I think it may be a slightly lower-end design? Or maybe not the current BP430 being sold?

Something that is more well-known and independently reviewed to be okay is the Corsair CX430 ($45 before $20 MIR):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139017

If you want to deal with the mail-in rebate, that's the best deal. The XFX Core probably had better performance and components than any of the above by a bit, but oh well.

By the way, here is some currently cheaper 2 x 4GB DDR3 RAM ($70):
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231416


Thanks Myrmidon,
I will probably go with the Antec Basiq 550 Plus. I was considering the Corsair CX430 earlier but the Newegg reviews scared me off. I'm not sure if i should give those reviews the credibility that I do... but seeing that many that failed is concerning. Ideally the PSU that I originally wanted will restock before I decide to order as you said its still the best option. Thanks!

Oh and btw I did order that RAM and I downgraded the processor, advice from Skyr and Womwomwom when I first posted my build.
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