EPTGot haswell + nvidia, haswell + radeon
ivy + radeon x2 (which is good cause i think this is the one with the bad/weird results) but no ivy + nvidia
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
Got haswell + nvidia, haswell + radeon ivy + radeon x2 (which is good cause i think this is the one with the bad/weird results) but no ivy + nvidia | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
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Lmui
Canada6216 Posts
On July 08 2013 19:28 Cyro wrote: edit: Oops, it's the same guy. I still think you should be able to tweak a bit. How much vcore do you need to go from 4.3 to 4.4 stable for pass 1 and 2 of x264 bench, or like half an hour of adia? I don't know how good adia is, i've never seen it fail and i've never ran it with a stable overclock either. I don't think there's any really good tools for haswell, just gotta kinda improvise.. I mean, does 4.3 to 4.4 take 0.03vcore, or 0.08+? Something in between? Did you put RAM/uncore multipliers down? (but leave ring volts the same at like 1.2 and ram volts/timings the same) You shouldn't decide on stability for core or try to raise it when uncore is i think at 4.3ghz you said. Uncore/RAM is king of causing confusing instability at some settings but not others. Your temps shouldn't be too high before ~1.3-1.35v without HT on high end air, but you can trigger pretty wild behaivour with them if you are running stress testy programs with avx on. edit:I tried a cinebench ht off @1.32v and my max temp was 77c even though it's ridiculously hot in here (2-3pm on one of the hottest days of the year, it must be close to 30c in my room when it's usually 15 or so) Cut 0.02v more and multiple cinebench runs maxing at 74c hottest core, x264 isn't as hot. So you should be able to do more than 1.25v on a u14s with ht off. Seems like ht might actually be related to my issues making higher frequencies stable too, that's why i was testing in the first place Either I mounted my heatsink poorly or I have a garbage 4670k, the first is somewhat likely given how poor my temps are given my cooling but the variance on intel chips ever since they stopped soldering to the IHS means the second is possible as well. 4.3ghz takes 1.236V, 4.4ghz takes 1.255V to get stable with 1066 RAM but the latter pops over 85C on cores if the GPU is in use as well. Once I find my tube of MX-4 I'll try remounting the heatsink again and seeing if it makes a significant change. I'm still 90% sure that 4.3ghz + 2400 RAM is about as far as I can push my CPU though, it doesn't seem to want to go much higher.. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/ozqftel.png) What are your temps with a cinebench run or three? under x264 pass 2 load? You still have to tune VRIN etc to be stable on less vcore, different vrin works best for different values. That's high volts in screenshot cause it's 1.28 set in bios (which is a lot more than i need, i was sc2 benching) cpu-z version 1.64.0 which has the best volts display out of all of the versions so far for giga z87. It reads higher than set in bios vcore though, hard to say if it's correct without multimeter. 4.3ghz takes 1.236V, 4.4ghz takes 1.255V That is excellent scaling, so good that you're probably making a mistake and can get 4.3 on less volts. 4.5 to 4.7 takes me over 0.1v, so 2.5x as much vcore added per 100mhz. 0.02vcore is pretty trivial and if you can get 300mhz from 0.06 then it's pretty much always worth it. Depending on how good your CPU is, sooner or later you'll cliff and need that much volts for 100mhz, or even more I did a single mount with mx-4, it was probably awful cause you can't actually screw in a silver arrow on z87x-ud3h without messing around for 10 minutes with a slightly magnetized screwdriver aparantly. I have a huge gap in load temps between cores 123 and 4 | ||
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Lmui
Canada6216 Posts
![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/jQwKbyg.jpg) Oddly enough I had to actually increase vcore by .002 since cinebench bsoded after a run or two while aida64 didn't do anything after running it overnight. x264 peaks at 71C at these clocks. Odd thing to note is that AIDA reports 71/71/71/70 as peaks across cores while realtemp reports 72/68/70/63 as peaks. I think that realtemp COULD be reading the CPU socket temperature as core 4 instead of the actual core 4 since AIDA reports the CPU socket at 62 peak. I'll keep trying to get above 4.3ghz. Looking at how you're are scaling with voltages, I think there's a pretty pressing need to reseat the heatsink and see what can be done about the disconnect between volts and temperature that I have. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20322 Posts
You have 71c max in cinebench/x264 and good voltage scaling, what are you waiting for?  throw up the clock speeds, unless you are basing your temps under adia/ibt/prime with avx enabled. I don't see the point in that honestly, avx won't increase your temps in cinebench, x264, any game, actually not in anything i know of aside from a stress test with avx enabled IBT with avx toggled off runs a little bit hotter than sustained max load with cinebench or x264, but just a bit, like you would expect from a stress test.. I still use it like that. If you have avx toggled on and get 0.1v+ overvolt on vcore from it being utilized in a stress test, your temps just get murdered for no reason and you're stuck at some really low clock if you insist on basing temps around synthetics because of something that only happens in them | ||
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Vladix
Netherlands227 Posts
I am looking for a pc that will last me 4-5 years and i don't have to run the latest games on the best settings out there. Games i plan on playing the next years are : Civilization 5 - Brave new world Dragon Age 3 Total War Rome II SC II Legacy of the void And i like to run these games on pretty high / almost max settings. I am planning on buying : Club 3D Radeon HD 7850 royalQueen Intel® Core™ i7-3770- 3400mhz ivy bridge Sharkoon WPM600 ADATA ASX900S3-128GM-C, 128GB SSD GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3P (rev. 1.0) Kingston HyperX 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit First i was thinking of the AMD FX 8350, but i read it uses ALOT more power then the i7-3770 and performes less, but if anyone says it is a good option i can still consider it. I don't plan on overclocking anything, so i guess a low end motherboard will be fine. Other thing i also would like to know is if it would be wise to skip the SSD and take a GTX660 GPU instead or will the 7850 be fine ? I am kinda on my budget limit here so i can't afford to throw in another 100 euro's unless i take out the SSD. I don't really mind waiting a minute when my pc boots up and i got other hard disks in my current pc to use, but am just wondering what will help me the most, the SSD or a different GPU. Thanks for your help, Vladix | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On July 10 2013 03:39 Vladix wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hi guys, i got a question about some stuff i am probaly going to buy. I am looking for a pc that will last me 4-5 years and i don't have to run the latest games on the best settings out there. Games i plan on playing the next years are : Civilization 5 - Brave new world Dragon Age 3 Total War Rome II SC II Legacy of the void And i like to run these games on pretty high / almost max settings. I am planning on buying : Club 3D Radeon HD 7850 royalQueen Intel® Core™ i7-3770- 3400mhz ivy bridge Sharkoon WPM600 ADATA ASX900S3-128GM-C, 128GB SSD GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3P (rev. 1.0) Kingston HyperX 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit First i was thinking of the AMD FX 8350, but i read it uses ALOT more power then the i7-3770 and performes less, but if anyone says it is a good option i can still consider it. I don't plan on overclocking anything, so i guess a low end motherboard will be fine. Other thing i also would like to know is if it would be wise to skip the SSD and take a GTX660 GPU instead or will the 7850 be fine ? I am kinda on my budget limit here so i can't afford to throw in another 100 euro's unless i take out the SSD. I don't really mind waiting a minute when my pc boots up and i got other hard disks in my current pc to use, but am just wondering what will help me the most, the SSD or a different GPU. Thanks for your help, Vladix No point getting a i7, get a current gen i5 (i5 4670) if you get current gen you need current gen mobo (b85, h87 or Z87 if cheap). If you are cutting costs might as well just get a Samsung 840, instead of what seems like a slightly better ssd. Definitely don't skip the ssd, they are just too great and should cut down on loading times in total war (which are normally absurdly long). On the topic of RTW, probably going to need a 250g SSD as RTW2 is going to take 35g by itself. Rest seems ok, thats a 2x4g RAM kit right? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On July 10 2013 03:39 Vladix wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hi guys, i got a question about some stuff i am probaly going to buy. I am looking for a pc that will last me 4-5 years and i don't have to run the latest games on the best settings out there. Games i plan on playing the next years are : Civilization 5 - Brave new world Dragon Age 3 Total War Rome II SC II Legacy of the void And i like to run these games on pretty high / almost max settings. I am planning on buying : Club 3D Radeon HD 7850 royalQueen Intel® Core™ i7-3770- 3400mhz ivy bridge Sharkoon WPM600 ADATA ASX900S3-128GM-C, 128GB SSD GIGABYTE GA-B75M-D3P (rev. 1.0) Kingston HyperX 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit First i was thinking of the AMD FX 8350, but i read it uses ALOT more power then the i7-3770 and performes less, but if anyone says it is a good option i can still consider it. I don't plan on overclocking anything, so i guess a low end motherboard will be fine. Other thing i also would like to know is if it would be wise to skip the SSD and take a GTX660 GPU instead or will the 7850 be fine ? I am kinda on my budget limit here so i can't afford to throw in another 100 euro's unless i take out the SSD. I don't really mind waiting a minute when my pc boots up and i got other hard disks in my current pc to use, but am just wondering what will help me the most, the SSD or a different GPU. Thanks for your help, Vladix All those games benefit greatly from a higher clocked processor so you should seriously consider overclocking if those are your primary games. Dragon Age would benefit only slightly from the hyperthreading provided by the i7 so Dragon Age Inquisition may make better use of it. But the other three games don't use hyperthreading so it's questionable whether an i7 is worth it over an i5 when you have a limited budget... FX8350 is not a good option for gaming since an overclocked 3570k or 4670k will wipe the floor with it. You don't need a 600w power supply for this setup and that Sharkoon isn't that good. A quality ~500w is more than adequate, something like a Superflower Golden Green 450, XFX Core Edition 450, Antec Earthwatts 430 or Corsair CX430. | ||
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Vladix
Netherlands227 Posts
@ both, i will take a look at the i5 and overclocking and about the SSD i don't mind not having all games on it all the time. So 1 or 2 games and windows is what will be on my SSD and everything else and games not played will be on my other disks as i don't really play more then 1 game at a time for some weeks / months. Btw any pointers on the videocard, spend some money i "safe" from getting an i5 on it ? Edit 2 : Intel® Core™ i5-4670K FC-LGA4, "Haswell", boxed ASRock B85M Pro4 Gb-LAN, Sound, µATX, Retail Corsair 430CX black, 1x PCIe, Retail Samsung MZ-7TD120BW, 120GB SSD black, SATA 600, 840 Serie, TLC-Chips, Trim, Lite Retail Kingston HyperX 8 GB DDR3-1333 Kit KHX1333C9D3B1K2/8G, blu, Lite Retail Club 3D Radeon HD 7850 royalQueen DVI, HDMI, DisplayPort, CrossFireX, Retail My adjusted shoppinglist, saving me 100 euro's so i have some room left to play with. Won't be overclocking right away, so not adding a cpu cooler untill then. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
You're also missing a case in your list btw so not sure if you actually have any left over money to get a better card than a 7850. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
What should I be looking for? 2gb ram? 4? 8? Processor? The AMD/GPU combo (their duo CPU or whatever it is called) Or intel's integrated GPU? | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
You'd be looking for something like this that skyR mentioned though: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113283 That's the A4-5300 which is 9$ more than the A4-4000 but slightly faster. The 4000 is only 45$ http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819113343 but obviously you want both of those from NCIX or some other canadian retailer. You might as well at least skip the A4-3400 as it costs the same as the richland A4-4000 and probably doesn't perform as well. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
I guess that means you're stuck with an A4-5300 for $47 if you pricematch at Memory Express since A4-3300 and A4-3400 for the most part are out of stock or not appealing enough to get over the A4-5300. | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On July 10 2013 10:16 XenOmega wrote: Looking to build the cheapest HD 1080 capable PC (mainly long hours of streams on the internet) What should I be looking for? 2gb ram? 4? 8? Processor? The AMD/GPU combo (their duo CPU or whatever it is called) Or intel's integrated GPU? Get one of the AMD APUs. 4g of ram, 2 just isn't possible. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
Logisys CS206BK Black ATX Tower Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5IN w/ 400W 80mm Rear Fan Front USB Audio Combo of PSU + Case for 34.99$ That's probably the cheapest I can get right? AMD A6-3500 APU w/ AMD Radeon 65XX HD GFX Triple Core Processor Socket FM1 2.1GHZ 3MB 65W Retail Box 63.92 if my price match is accepted Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200.12 1TB SATA 32MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive OEM I could go for even cheaper HD. This one is at 59.99$ I figured it was a decent price for 1TB MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 mATX FM2 A75 DDR3 1PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 1PCI SATA3 HDMI DVI USB3.0 Motherboard 61.92$ if PM is accepted. NCIX doesn't offer alot of board for the AMD cpu Right now, I'm at 220.52$ With ram (4gb? 1 stick or 2x2?)), I might be able to be at 250$ Can I do better than 250$? I may have a Hard Drive at home, so I figure I could use them on it and not get the Seagate Barracuda. I have a 320gb from a broken laptop and also another one 500gb that is serving as a storage drive | ||
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Blaec
Australia4289 Posts
On July 10 2013 22:59 XenOmega wrote: + Show Spoiler + @skyr, Blaec and Alryk : All AMD new CPU have integrated GPU? Logisys CS206BK Black ATX Tower Case 4X5.25 1X3.5 5X3.5IN w/ 400W 80mm Rear Fan Front USB Audio Combo of PSU + Case for 34.99$ That's probably the cheapest I can get right? AMD A6-3500 APU w/ AMD Radeon 65XX HD GFX Triple Core Processor Socket FM1 2.1GHZ 3MB 65W Retail Box 63.92 if my price match is accepted Seagate Barracuda ST31000524AS 7200.12 1TB SATA 32MB Cache 3.5IN Internal Hard Drive OEM I could go for even cheaper HD. This one is at 59.99$ I figured it was a decent price for 1TB MSI FM2-A75MA-E35 mATX FM2 A75 DDR3 1PCI-E16 2PCI-E1 1PCI SATA3 HDMI DVI USB3.0 Motherboard 61.92$ if PM is accepted. NCIX doesn't offer alot of board for the AMD cpu Right now, I'm at 220.52$ With ram (4gb? 1 stick or 2x2?)), I might be able to be at 250$ Can I do better than 250$? I may have a Hard Drive at home, so I figure I could use them on it and not get the Seagate Barracuda. I have a 320gb from a broken laptop and also another one 500gb that is serving as a storage drive The AMD aX-XXXX are the APUs (ones with good integrated). I have an A8-3870 and its more than enough power, I can even do a little indie gaming on it. If you are going to make a htpc I would advise getting a nice htpc case that looks good sitting in your TV cabinet, also usb3 is useful for people coming round with an external hdd. But if keeping the price down is your main concern that case looks adequate. You can reuse old hdds (just check they aren't about to die in another computer) or get a slower 5400rpm drive (WD green), movies/streams don't need a full speed hdd. RAM go whatever is cheaper. | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
On July 10 2013 23:24 Blaec wrote: The AMD aX-XXXX are the APUs (ones with good integrated). I have an A8-3870 and its more than enough power, I can even do a little indie gaming on it. If you are going to make a htpc I would advise getting a nice htpc case that looks good sitting in your TV cabinet, also usb3 is useful for people coming round with an external hdd. But if keeping the price down is your main concern that case looks adequate. You can reuse old hdds (just check they aren't about to die in another computer) or get a slower 5400rpm drive (WD green), movies/streams don't need a full speed hdd. RAM go whatever is cheaper. So A4 would be enough on its own for HD qualty video? (both from reading Blu-ray and from playing streams)? EDIT : Found my answer :D That said, NCIX is backordered on A4-3400. Should I still put it in my list hoping that they will have it in stock eventually? | ||
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XenOmega
Canada2822 Posts
Can I go the Intel route? What are the intel CPU that also has integrated GPU? Does intel celeron g1610 has it? | ||
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