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On July 09 2013 03:20 Cereb wrote:Hallo smart folks! I am buying a new pc today / tomorrow and I would like some input. The very specific demand I have for this pc is that it should be able to run Skyrim at 1080 x 1920 with HD mods and ENB quite well. This is of course quite a demand and it’s further complicated with the fact that I am very limited on cash. I have done some research to get the most for as little as possible that would accomplish my goal but I would love some feedback. This is what I have ended up with: Intel Core i7 3770 / 3.4 GHz Processor - LGA1155 Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO processor-køler - 92mm 17-30dBA Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H - Micro-ATX LGA1155 Kingston HyperX blu - 8GB DDR3 1600MHz PC3-12800 CL10 MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC grafikkort - GF-GTX670 2GB Seagate Barracuda harddisk - 3.5″ SATA-600 1TB Samsung SH-224BB - SATA Intern DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM Sort Cooler Master Elite 342 - Micro-ATX Sort XFX Core Edition PRO550W Would this accomplish its purpose? Is there any way to do it and save some more cash? Should I take some more money from the CPU and invest in a better the GPU? Are there any issues with the motherboard vs the components? Also will the 550W be enough power? Would more ram give my pc more longevity? Also I do not plan to overclock or upgrade (I usually just get a brand new pc when the time is). But if I could save a lot of money going for another system that could be overclocked then I probably would. But it seems that the money I would save on the CPU would just be spent on the motherboard / power / cooler instead. I am having the pc made from a Danish site where I have quite a few options of hardware. You can view it here to see what is able to be changed: https://www.fcomputer.dk/?show=system_show&systemlinkid=122162Any input would be much appreciated! Also, I was considering assembling it myself but after looking at prices of the components individually vs the prices of this company I almost wouldn't save anything (Looking at Danish companies only)
Those are last gen parts (cpu, gpu) and you can get significant performance improvements from overclocking especially for a well known CPU bound game like sc2 or skyrim
Would this accomplish its purpose? Yes.
Is there any way to do it and save some more cash? Probably, il let someone else help with that
Should I take some more money from the CPU and invest in a better the GPU? No, skyrim is largely CPU bound
Are there any issues with the motherboard vs the components?
Also will the 550W be enough power? More than enough
Would more ram give my pc more longevity? More than 8gb not really
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On July 09 2013 03:20 Cereb wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hallo smart folks! I am buying a new pc today / tomorrow and I would like some input. The very specific demand I have for this pc is that it should be able to run Skyrim at 1080 x 1920 with HD mods and ENB quite well. This is of course quite a demand and it’s further complicated with the fact that I am very limited on cash. I have done some research to get the most for as little as possible that would accomplish my goal but I would love some feedback. This is what I have ended up with: Intel Core i7 3770 / 3.4 GHz Processor - LGA1155 Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO processor-køler - 92mm 17-30dBA Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H - Micro-ATX LGA1155 Kingston HyperX blu - 8GB DDR3 1600MHz PC3-12800 CL10 MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC grafikkort - GF-GTX670 2GB Seagate Barracuda harddisk - 3.5″ SATA-600 1TB Samsung SH-224BB - SATA Intern DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM Sort Cooler Master Elite 342 - Micro-ATX Sort XFX Core Edition PRO550W Would this accomplish its purpose? Is there any way to do it and save some more cash? Should I take some more money from the CPU and invest in a better the GPU? Are there any issues with the motherboard vs the components? Also will the 550W be enough power? Would more ram give my pc more longevity? Also I do not plan to overclock or upgrade (I usually just get a brand new pc when the time is). But if I could save a lot of money going for another system that could be overclocked then I probably would. But it seems that the money I would save on the CPU would just be spent on the motherboard / power / cooler instead. I am having the pc made from a Danish site where I have quite a few options of hardware. You can view it here to see what is able to be changed: https://www.fcomputer.dk/?show=system_show&systemlinkid=122162Any input would be much appreciated! Also, I was considering assembling it myself but after looking at prices of the components individually vs the prices of this company I almost wouldn't save anything (Looking at Danish companies only)
No point getting an i7 for gaming. Also get current gen, i5 4670 and a b85 or h87 mobo.
I have a tx3 and I hate it, stupidly loud but it might be ok in a cooler climate.
Also getting a big solid state would be a great investment, 250g Samsung 840 should be good. But I don't know how big skyrim gets with mods.
After a quick google the gtx670 seems like a good choice for skyrim. But I don't think MSI make the best coolers.
edit: way too slow.
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On July 09 2013 03:21 PowerDes wrote:
Possibly looking to build my first gaming PC with a budget of 1000 USD (give or take). (not including monitor, hard drives & operating system) I don't have any knowledge of building a PC or which parts work with which to create an optimal machine.
Resolution. 1920 x 1080, using for mostly gaming but would like the option to have it be able to stream while maintaining maximum performance. I don't plan on overclocking, and I don't know if having more than one graphics card is optimal (if someone can fill me in on how having more than one graphics card works, that would be great).
Probably won't be upgrading after purchasing unless a certain part breaks/needs maintenance. Will probably be ordering all or most of the parts off newegg.
What games? What kind of stream quality are you aiming at?
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On July 09 2013 03:48 Blaec wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:21 PowerDes wrote:
Possibly looking to build my first gaming PC with a budget of 1000 USD (give or take). (not including monitor, hard drives & operating system) I don't have any knowledge of building a PC or which parts work with which to create an optimal machine.
Resolution. 1920 x 1080, using for mostly gaming but would like the option to have it be able to stream while maintaining maximum performance. I don't plan on overclocking, and I don't know if having more than one graphics card is optimal (if someone can fill me in on how having more than one graphics card works, that would be great).
Probably won't be upgrading after purchasing unless a certain part breaks/needs maintenance. Will probably be ordering all or most of the parts off newegg. What games? What kind of stream quality are you aiming at?
Stream quality: 720p, 60fps. The most intensive game I currently play is Starcraft, but I want a PC that can play anything that might come out in the next 2 years.
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Is there a certain overclocking speed that doesn't have long term effects on the processor/gpu? (my understanding of overclocking is actually - none, I don't have any understanding of overclocking) also, won't be needing an SSD, already have one in additional to a normal 500 GB harddrive.
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CPU is stock 3.5ghz (3.7 turbo 4 cores) and you can usually run ~4.5ghz np for a long term oc. I don't know how good the scaling is for skyrim, but it seems to be exponential for sc2 minimums and you can get good scaling in some games
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On July 09 2013 04:05 PowerDes wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Is there a certain overclocking speed that doesn't have long term effects on the processor/gpu? (my understanding of overclocking is actually - none, I don't have any understanding of overclocking) also, won't be needing an SSD, already have one in additional to a normal 500 GB harddrive.
It's the voltage and heat that affects longevity of components, not the speed.
GPU overclocking is easy. Just adjust some dials and viola, you have extra speed. You can't adjust the voltage unless you untick a box in the software settings. Most cards are already pre-overclocked for you anyways. I noticed that the ASUS GTX 760 is out of stock so you'd have to get the Gigabyte Windforce (which is quite frankly better, I just picked the ASUS for the combo to save money), it's $260: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125466
And you'll need to grab the memory separately, 2x4gb 2400MHz for $70: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231666 which brings the total of the two components to $330, so only $12 more which shouldn't be a big deal?
CPU overclocking is a little bit (well, a lot more) complicated. Generally speaking, you can reach ~4.5GHz without using absurd voltages that would significantly decrease the CPU's lifespan. Cyro has an Haswell so he can help you with that in-depth and also lots of videos and other guides out there on the web.
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Haswell Idle is really great for holding longevity up too. It'll sit at 800mhz/0.7vcore even when web browsing (not under load) if you configure it properly, and snap up to overclocked settings almost instantly when you apply load. Older CPU's couldn't do it as well, Haswell architecture was based largely around an integrated voltage regulator which helps a ton for low idle voltates and quickly snapping between power states, that's why you see 4'th gen core cpu's getting often 50+% more battery life in laptops but it helps for overclocking longevity too.
If a gaming system failed within 5 years at 1.3vcore 4.6ghz, decent temperatures because of the CPU, it would be news to me. My CPU does 4.5ghz on +0.1v over stock voltages for example npnp, i'd think it'd last longer than somebody using stock settings, stock voltages on stock CPU simply because i have a good aftermarket heatsink on it so it'll probably be cooler than a shitty stock cooler.
It is more complicated though and can be a lot of work if you don't know what you are doing and dont have particular interest in it, so i dont know if it's right to reccomend it for playing skyrim, but because scaling is so good for sc2 in particular, it's almost a no brainer to learn it for streaming sc2, which is why it gets brought up a lot around here
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I'll most likely just be running at stock speeds, and I won't be needing the SSD, so an extra ~245 can go into a better cpu/gpu
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I probably wouldn't skimp on the power supply like that. Also I know you mentioned Z87 motherboard but the motherboard you linked to uses Z77 chipset
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Doh, thanks for catching that, fixed. Browsing on Amazon is terrible ._.
A Capstone 450 is not skimping. The Superflower Golden Green design is on par if not better than Seasonic X and 450w is more than sufficient for an overclocked 4670k + GTX 760 configuration since a typical load for this sort of configuration would be around 300w (conservative estimate, probably around 250w realistically).
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I'll most likely just be running at stock speeds, and I won't be needing the SSD, so an extra ~245 can go into a better cpu/gpu
There's no better CPU for games that won't heavily utilize more than 4 cores than the i5 4670k. From there' i7 4770k is the best unless the game heavily utilizes 6 cores and doesn't care too much for singlethreaded performance, where SB-E overtakes it by smallish margins.
OC can improve performance by more than 30% though
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On July 09 2013 03:41 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:20 Cereb wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hallo smart folks! I am buying a new pc today / tomorrow and I would like some input. The very specific demand I have for this pc is that it should be able to run Skyrim at 1080 x 1920 with HD mods and ENB quite well. This is of course quite a demand and it’s further complicated with the fact that I am very limited on cash. I have done some research to get the most for as little as possible that would accomplish my goal but I would love some feedback. This is what I have ended up with: Intel Core i7 3770 / 3.4 GHz Processor - LGA1155 Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO processor-køler - 92mm 17-30dBA Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H - Micro-ATX LGA1155 Kingston HyperX blu - 8GB DDR3 1600MHz PC3-12800 CL10 MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC grafikkort - GF-GTX670 2GB Seagate Barracuda harddisk - 3.5″ SATA-600 1TB Samsung SH-224BB - SATA Intern DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM Sort Cooler Master Elite 342 - Micro-ATX Sort XFX Core Edition PRO550W Would this accomplish its purpose? Is there any way to do it and save some more cash? Should I take some more money from the CPU and invest in a better the GPU? Are there any issues with the motherboard vs the components? Also will the 550W be enough power? Would more ram give my pc more longevity? Also I do not plan to overclock or upgrade (I usually just get a brand new pc when the time is). But if I could save a lot of money going for another system that could be overclocked then I probably would. But it seems that the money I would save on the CPU would just be spent on the motherboard / power / cooler instead. I am having the pc made from a Danish site where I have quite a few options of hardware. You can view it here to see what is able to be changed: https://www.fcomputer.dk/?show=system_show&systemlinkid=122162Any input would be much appreciated! Skyrim does not benefit from hyperthreading the last time I checked so an i5 will be essentially the same as an i7. You're just spending significantly more for something that does nothing in gaming and a bit of extra cache which is negligible. You can get a 3570K along with a Z77 for the same price and overclock it, which would perform better in gaming than a 3770 and B75 which can't be overclocked. If you have no intentions of overclocking than a core i5 3570 (without the K) and b75 is fine. More memory does not make your PC last longer. Gamers typically don't use more than 8gb unless they are multi-boxing or utilizing a RAMdisk. Memory is an easy addition so there is no point wasting cash now on something that you may not utilize. Just add more later when you feel that it is necessary. 550w is more than sufficient for this configuration. GTX 670 is okay for Skyrim. If you're trying to possibly save money or don't have enough for an SSD then you can step down to a GTX 660 Ti or Radeon HD7870. The difference between having a SSD and not having a SSD is much greater than the difference between a GTX 660 Ti / 7870 and a GTX 670. Skyrim along with other MMOs benefit greatly from an SSD so you should consider getting a Samsung 840 120gb or 250gb. Keep in mind you need an operating system if you don't already have one to be used. I'm not familiar with Denmark pricing but if you were to build it on your own. You'd possibly be able to get the newer / better components (eg. core i5 4670 and GTX 760).
Thank you so much for your response. Would I actually lose anything gaming wise in general by stepping down from the i7? Looking further into it seems very few games benefit from it?...At all?
I think I have stumbled upon something with the SSD being good for Skyrim, too.. Could you explain what the benefit of a SSD is? From what I have heard it will decrease loading times but will it also influence performance during the actual game play? (When I hear loading time I think only of the actual loading screens - is it also "loading" during the gameplay?)
If I decided to go for the i5k overclock, should I spend a bit more on better power supply or cooling along with the z77p d3? or will the motherboard change be sufficient?
Once again, thanks a lot!
Edit: Also thanks a lot to Blaec and Cyro! Didn't update my page so I didn't even get to see your messages before I posted this 
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SSD will read files, depending on the type of them (ssds dont lose much performance with low file size, hdd's slow to a crawl), 3-1000x+ faster than the best hard drives
In games, booting windows etc, you'll usually see load screens last often 1/5 or even less as long, OS and things in general can be much more snappy, it doesn't usually help with FPS etc though.
Edit: Also thanks a lot to Blaec and Cyro! Didn't update my page so I didn't even get to see your messages before I posted this
np (:
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On July 09 2013 05:11 Cereb wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On July 09 2013 03:41 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On July 09 2013 03:20 Cereb wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hallo smart folks! I am buying a new pc today / tomorrow and I would like some input. The very specific demand I have for this pc is that it should be able to run Skyrim at 1080 x 1920 with HD mods and ENB quite well. This is of course quite a demand and it’s further complicated with the fact that I am very limited on cash. I have done some research to get the most for as little as possible that would accomplish my goal but I would love some feedback. This is what I have ended up with: Intel Core i7 3770 / 3.4 GHz Processor - LGA1155 Cooler Master Hyper TX3 EVO processor-køler - 92mm 17-30dBA Gigabyte GA-B75M-D3H - Micro-ATX LGA1155 Kingston HyperX blu - 8GB DDR3 1600MHz PC3-12800 CL10 MSI N670GTX-PM2D2GD5/OC grafikkort - GF-GTX670 2GB Seagate Barracuda harddisk - 3.5″ SATA-600 1TB Samsung SH-224BB - SATA Intern DVD±RW (±R DL) / DVD-RAM Sort Cooler Master Elite 342 - Micro-ATX Sort XFX Core Edition PRO550W Would this accomplish its purpose? Is there any way to do it and save some more cash? Should I take some more money from the CPU and invest in a better the GPU? Are there any issues with the motherboard vs the components? Also will the 550W be enough power? Would more ram give my pc more longevity? Also I do not plan to overclock or upgrade (I usually just get a brand new pc when the time is). But if I could save a lot of money going for another system that could be overclocked then I probably would. But it seems that the money I would save on the CPU would just be spent on the motherboard / power / cooler instead. I am having the pc made from a Danish site where I have quite a few options of hardware. You can view it here to see what is able to be changed: https://www.fcomputer.dk/?show=system_show&systemlinkid=122162Any input would be much appreciated! Skyrim does not benefit from hyperthreading the last time I checked so an i5 will be essentially the same as an i7. You're just spending significantly more for something that does nothing in gaming and a bit of extra cache which is negligible. You can get a 3570K along with a Z77 for the same price and overclock it, which would perform better in gaming than a 3770 and B75 which can't be overclocked. If you have no intentions of overclocking than a core i5 3570 (without the K) and b75 is fine. More memory does not make your PC last longer. Gamers typically don't use more than 8gb unless they are multi-boxing or utilizing a RAMdisk. Memory is an easy addition so there is no point wasting cash now on something that you may not utilize. Just add more later when you feel that it is necessary. 550w is more than sufficient for this configuration. GTX 670 is okay for Skyrim. If you're trying to possibly save money or don't have enough for an SSD then you can step down to a GTX 660 Ti or Radeon HD7870. The difference between having a SSD and not having a SSD is much greater than the difference between a GTX 660 Ti / 7870 and a GTX 670. Skyrim along with other MMOs benefit greatly from an SSD so you should consider getting a Samsung 840 120gb or 250gb. Keep in mind you need an operating system if you don't already have one to be used. I'm not familiar with Denmark pricing but if you were to build it on your own. You'd possibly be able to get the newer / better components (eg. core i5 4670 and GTX 760). Thank you so much for your response. Would I actually lose anything gaming wise in general by stepping down from the i7? Looking further into it seems very few games benefit from it?...At all? I think I have stumbled upon something with the SSD being good for Skyrim, too.. Could you explain what the benefit of a SSD is? From what I have heard it will decrease loading times but will it also influence performance during the actual game play? (When I hear loading time I think only of the actual loading screens - is it also "loading" during the gameplay?) If I decided to go for the i5k overclock, should I spend a bit more on better power supply or cooling along with the z77p d3? or will the motherboard change be sufficient? Once again, thanks a lot! Edit: Also thanks a lot to Blaec and Cyro! Didn't update my page so I didn't even get to see your messages before I posted this
Most games are still using two cores with a few of the newer ones using four, very few if any are using more than four. The extra cache and 100MHz on the i7 would equate to a negligible FPS difference over the i5, not worth the money unless you have nothing else to spend it on.
The 550w will still be more than sufficient for overclocking. You will need to add in an aftermarket heatsink (you already have the Coolermaster TX3 EVO which isn't necessary for non-overclocked configurations besides reducing noise levels) but the TX3 sort of sucks as already mentioned by someone and the website you provided has no good alternatives. The Hyper 212 is okay but generally not recommended anymore due to the heat output of Haswell compared to Sandybridge or Ivybridge.
Skyrim is an open world game so yes it is actually loading the distant textures while you are playing. With an SSD, you reduce / eliminate the chance of stutters and allow you to play with a higher render distance than you could with a HDD.
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What is your budget?
I am looking to keep the budget around $750, with an absolute ceiling of $1000.
What is your resolution?
1920X1080, possibly 2560x1440
What are you using it for?
Mostly work related things such as word processing. But definitely a little gaming such as LoL, and photo editing such as photoshop should be usable although not necessarily top tier. Streaming things such as Netflix and lectures would be very important.
What is your upgrade cycle?
The upgrade cycle isn't set for now. It would be more of a replace as needs change kind of policy.
When do you plan on building it?
As soon as possible! If I can get a list of parts as early as tomorrow!
Do you plan on overclocking?
No, absolutely not.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yes, It will be getting Windows 7 or 8.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No, I don't think this build will require that much GPU power.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I am currently in Florida, and I don't believe there is a Fry's or Microcenter near me, although there are local PC shops.
Thanks so much for anyone who wants to help me with this! This will be my first build from scratch, although I have replaced many, many parts in my PC, so any helpful advice would be appreciated! I have done a lot of homework on a build from scratch, including watching a couple complete walkthroughs, so hopefully I am not completely incompetent, although some of the compatibility issues seem like a major headache to sort through as far as architecture and slot design and all that, so I really appreciate the time you guys put in!
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Which video card should I get guys?
EVGA 580 1.5gb 140$
MSI 7870 TWIN FROZR 3 150$
There both used
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Do you plan on overclocking?
No, absolutely not.
That's a bit.. absolute 
Not that there's much point for what you are doing probably
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if you're not worried about noise and power consumption, the 580 is a bit better
though i would still go for the 7870 personally between the two
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