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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 11 2013 02:44 GMT
#31601
On July 11 2013 07:30 Ropid wrote:
On ncix.ca, the 128 GB Plextor M5S might also be good, besides the 120 GB Samsung 840.


What about Adata brand? From I've read (just starting), they offer the mounting pieces for the SSD
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 03:18:06
July 11 2013 03:17 GMT
#31602
400W enough to power
Mobo + AMD A4-5300
Ram, 500gb HD and DVD player?

What would be the minimum power to power this? There are some MATX case that comes with a PSU, but it ranges in the 200-280W
Rachnar
Profile Joined October 2010
France1526 Posts
July 11 2013 03:55 GMT
#31603
that would be more then plenty, even shitty psu's can handle this
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 11 2013 04:52 GMT
#31604
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-ram-endurance,3475.html

Too bad they didn't test 8GB. Pretty funny though that you can increase SSD endurance by having more RAM (albeit in limited situations).
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Blaec
Profile Joined April 2010
Australia4289 Posts
July 11 2013 05:12 GMT
#31605
On July 11 2013 05:51 XenOmega wrote:
Yea, I might take the bite for SSD when i order from NCIX. Any will do?


htpcs are basically the only build I wouldn't bother with a ssd for. My one is on 24/7 so no need for faster boot, either xbmc, wmc or a browser is always open so no real benefit for loading times and I want as much storage as possible to hold all the movies/shows.

But if you are going to turn yours on and off when you need it an ssd would probably be justifiable.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
July 11 2013 05:37 GMT
#31606
On July 11 2013 13:52 iTzSnypah wrote:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/ssd-ram-endurance,3475.html

Too bad they didn't test 8GB. Pretty funny though that you can increase SSD endurance by having more RAM (albeit in limited situations).

"Endurance" is a pretty inaccurate or at least misleading way to put it. If anything, you'd say "longevity", but that's also somewhat BS because either (1) something else is probably going to fail first or (2) you'll toss the drive before you get it to a state where you can't write to it anymore.

How is this noteworthy, anyway? When there's more system memory, you get less writes to the pagefile. Wow. Who would've thunk. Seeing the extent of the differences under some contrived workloads holds some merit I guess, but only having two levels of the single dependent variable looks a bit sad.
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 17:23:45
July 11 2013 17:16 GMT
#31607
On July 11 2013 05:32 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 05:21 Mithriel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I'm considering purchasing the following computer. However i reckon it is a bit over the budget, i would like to shape off around € 100/150 if possible. The CPU/GFX are something i really want, and would not like to downgrade these if possible.

The other items i could swap out for possible cheaper solutions. I did pick an expensive case and PSU, as i would like to have some sort of cable management and this solution should be perfect for it. I'm not sure if there are cheaper/reliable cases/psu up for grabs with great cable management options.

Any idea's to make it slightly cheaper?

1 x Intel® Core™ i5-4670K € 222,90*
1 x GIGABYTE GV-N66TOC-2GD € 264,-*

1 x ASUS Z87-A € 139,90*
1 x Corsair HX650 € 124,90*
1 x G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit € 68,90*
1 x Intel® SSDSC2CT180A4K5, 180GB SSD € 149,90*
1 x Corsair Obsidian 550D € 134,90*
1 x Western Digital WD1002FAEX 1 TB HDD € 81,90*
Total € 1.187,30


Corsair 550D is just purely aesthetics, it's not that much different or better than a Fractal Design Define R4 which should be a good bit less.

Corsair HX650 is not necessary. A Superflower Golden Green Modular 450 or Seasonic G 450 are both semi-modular units like the Corsair HX650 and is more than adequate for the configuration.

You're also missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. If you aren't overclocking then you are wasting money on a 4670K and Z87 motherboard. The Z87-A board is also not good amongst its competition but I guess it depends on pricing and selection available to you.

A Caviar Black is largely useless when you have an SSD already and Caviar Blacks are fucking loud so they're not suited for a silent chassis like the 550D. Caviar Blacks don't differ that much from a Caviar Blue in terms of noticeable performance, the major difference would be Black's five year warranty versus Blue's two year warranty.

You should also consider a GTX 760.


Thanks for the post. Did help me quite a bit. I've decided on the following

Case: Swap the Corsair for the Fractal as per your suggestion (40 euro less)
PSU: Researching as the suggested ones are not available in my preferred webstore. Will 450W be enough? I'm always afraid its not enough But yeh will go for a cheaper one, but good one!
HDD: Swap the caviar black for blue (30 euro less)
CPU: Will be overclocking so will get 3rd party cooler
CPU Cooler: I'll go for the Noctua suggested on previous page (if it fits!)
GFX: Ahh the 760! Most have overlooked it, wasnt at the webstore previously!

Motherboard: Always a nightmare with the 10000 types available. As i will be overclocking, but wont run stuff like SLI etc, what would be a good/solid motherboard? Any Suggestions? You mention the Asus Z87-a not good amongst competition? Should i look into other brand? Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI?

Thanks SkyR and Ropid!

All in all i guess it will still be 1200, but meh so be it i guess
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Deleted User 135096
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
3624 Posts
July 11 2013 17:56 GMT
#31608
I just wanted to post something worth noting for those looking to build a new system. I just got my Noctua NH-A14 PWM case fans, and due to their size, they barely fit into the front panel of my R4, as in they are just about a mm or so too large for them to fit perfectly into the spaces. They do fit, but the plastic frame has to bend just a little in order for them to fit. A minor thing, but something worth noting. I do like them though, after setting the PWM in the UEFI they are practically silent.
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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 11 2013 18:01 GMT
#31609
NCIS accepter my PM on samsung 840 for 89$
Newegg.ca was the competitor
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-11 20:12:48
July 11 2013 20:12 GMT
#31610
On July 12 2013 02:16 Mithriel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2013 05:32 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 05:21 Mithriel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I'm considering purchasing the following computer. However i reckon it is a bit over the budget, i would like to shape off around € 100/150 if possible. The CPU/GFX are something i really want, and would not like to downgrade these if possible.

The other items i could swap out for possible cheaper solutions. I did pick an expensive case and PSU, as i would like to have some sort of cable management and this solution should be perfect for it. I'm not sure if there are cheaper/reliable cases/psu up for grabs with great cable management options.

Any idea's to make it slightly cheaper?

1 x Intel® Core™ i5-4670K € 222,90*
1 x GIGABYTE GV-N66TOC-2GD € 264,-*

1 x ASUS Z87-A € 139,90*
1 x Corsair HX650 € 124,90*
1 x G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit € 68,90*
1 x Intel® SSDSC2CT180A4K5, 180GB SSD € 149,90*
1 x Corsair Obsidian 550D € 134,90*
1 x Western Digital WD1002FAEX 1 TB HDD € 81,90*
Total € 1.187,30


Corsair 550D is just purely aesthetics, it's not that much different or better than a Fractal Design Define R4 which should be a good bit less.

Corsair HX650 is not necessary. A Superflower Golden Green Modular 450 or Seasonic G 450 are both semi-modular units like the Corsair HX650 and is more than adequate for the configuration.

You're also missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. If you aren't overclocking then you are wasting money on a 4670K and Z87 motherboard. The Z87-A board is also not good amongst its competition but I guess it depends on pricing and selection available to you.

A Caviar Black is largely useless when you have an SSD already and Caviar Blacks are fucking loud so they're not suited for a silent chassis like the 550D. Caviar Blacks don't differ that much from a Caviar Blue in terms of noticeable performance, the major difference would be Black's five year warranty versus Blue's two year warranty.

You should also consider a GTX 760.


Thanks for the post. Did help me quite a bit. I've decided on the following

Case: Swap the Corsair for the Fractal as per your suggestion (40 euro less)
PSU: Researching as the suggested ones are not available in my preferred webstore. Will 450W be enough? I'm always afraid its not enough But yeh will go for a cheaper one, but good one!
HDD: Swap the caviar black for blue (30 euro less)
CPU: Will be overclocking so will get 3rd party cooler
CPU Cooler: I'll go for the Noctua suggested on previous page (if it fits!)
GFX: Ahh the 760! Most have overlooked it, wasnt at the webstore previously!

Motherboard: Always a nightmare with the 10000 types available. As i will be overclocking, but wont run stuff like SLI etc, what would be a good/solid motherboard? Any Suggestions? You mention the Asus Z87-a not good amongst competition? Should i look into other brand? Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI?

Thanks SkyR and Ropid!

All in all i guess it will still be 1200, but meh so be it i guess


A quality 450w is more than sufficient for your typical ~$1000 gaming systems. During a gaming load, the GTX 760 typically consumes ~170w and an overclocked core i5 will be ~50-100w depending on how mild or insane your overclock is. The other components are insignificant to power draw. Nothing is quite as good as the Superflower or Seasonic. ~450w units don't tend to have a lot of cables so a non-modular one may not be so bad for cabling. You just need to typically hide a strand of molex and maybe two other cables (like floppy if included and/or strand of SATA).

The ASUS Z87-A competes with a MSI Z87-G45 Gaming, Gigabyte Z87X-D3H, and Asrock Z87 Extreme4. All of these boards should be slightly less or at the same price as the ASUS while being better in one or multiple areas. Just to name a few differences that come to mind:
  • ASUS uses a Realtek NIC whereas MSI uses a Qualcomm Killer and the other two uses an Intel.
  • Asrock has the best audio solution of these boards iirc and the MSI boasts a headphone amp.
  • Asrock and Gigabyte feature a dual BIOS incase you ever need to flash the BIOS, you'll always have a functioning backup if anything goes wrong.
  • Asrock has more on-board buttons, debug LED, and more I/O typically

Basically most of the board manufacturers have increased motherboard quality from the previous generations where-as ASUS didn't and just changed its colour and naming scheme to something unfamiliar and confusing.
IceFire
Profile Joined January 2011
United States183 Posts
July 12 2013 07:27 GMT
#31611
What is your budget?

$1000 max, but would prefer 700-800

What is your resolution?

I don't have a monitor, but I would like one that is 1920 x 1080

What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming with photoshop

What is your upgrade cycle?

I really don't know but I would prefer to have it last as long as possible

When do you plan on building it?

As soon as possible.

Do you plan on overclocking?

No

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?

Online. Newegg, Amazon, etc. (United States)
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
July 12 2013 12:01 GMT
#31612
On July 12 2013 16:27 IceFire wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

What is your budget?

$1000 max, but would prefer 700-800

What is your resolution?

I don't have a monitor, but I would like one that is 1920 x 1080

What are you using it for?

Mostly gaming with photoshop

What is your upgrade cycle?

I really don't know but I would prefer to have it last as long as possible

When do you plan on building it?

As soon as possible.

Do you plan on overclocking?

No

Do you need an Operating System?

Yes

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No

Where are you buying your parts from?

Online. Newegg, Amazon, etc. (United States)


i5-4570 & Gigabyte GTX 660 $395.98 ($20MIR) Free Game
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1355421

MSI B85M-P33 $64.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130703

8GB (2x4GB) DDR3-1600 1.5v c9 $47.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820313344

WD Blue 1TB & DVD Burner $61.98
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1385084

Win7 64-bit $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986

Fractal Core 1000 $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352032

Corsair CX430 $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

ASUS VS229H-P $139.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236205

Total: $890.90
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Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 17:02:40
July 12 2013 16:59 GMT
#31613
On July 12 2013 05:12 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 12 2013 02:16 Mithriel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On July 11 2013 05:32 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 11 2013 05:21 Mithriel wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I'm considering purchasing the following computer. However i reckon it is a bit over the budget, i would like to shape off around € 100/150 if possible. The CPU/GFX are something i really want, and would not like to downgrade these if possible.

The other items i could swap out for possible cheaper solutions. I did pick an expensive case and PSU, as i would like to have some sort of cable management and this solution should be perfect for it. I'm not sure if there are cheaper/reliable cases/psu up for grabs with great cable management options.

Any idea's to make it slightly cheaper?

1 x Intel® Core™ i5-4670K € 222,90*
1 x GIGABYTE GV-N66TOC-2GD € 264,-*

1 x ASUS Z87-A € 139,90*
1 x Corsair HX650 € 124,90*
1 x G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit € 68,90*
1 x Intel® SSDSC2CT180A4K5, 180GB SSD € 149,90*
1 x Corsair Obsidian 550D € 134,90*
1 x Western Digital WD1002FAEX 1 TB HDD € 81,90*
Total € 1.187,30


Corsair 550D is just purely aesthetics, it's not that much different or better than a Fractal Design Define R4 which should be a good bit less.

Corsair HX650 is not necessary. A Superflower Golden Green Modular 450 or Seasonic G 450 are both semi-modular units like the Corsair HX650 and is more than adequate for the configuration.

You're also missing an aftermarket heatsink for overclocking. If you aren't overclocking then you are wasting money on a 4670K and Z87 motherboard. The Z87-A board is also not good amongst its competition but I guess it depends on pricing and selection available to you.

A Caviar Black is largely useless when you have an SSD already and Caviar Blacks are fucking loud so they're not suited for a silent chassis like the 550D. Caviar Blacks don't differ that much from a Caviar Blue in terms of noticeable performance, the major difference would be Black's five year warranty versus Blue's two year warranty.

You should also consider a GTX 760.


Thanks for the post. Did help me quite a bit. I've decided on the following

Case: Swap the Corsair for the Fractal as per your suggestion (40 euro less)
PSU: Researching as the suggested ones are not available in my preferred webstore. Will 450W be enough? I'm always afraid its not enough But yeh will go for a cheaper one, but good one!
HDD: Swap the caviar black for blue (30 euro less)
CPU: Will be overclocking so will get 3rd party cooler
CPU Cooler: I'll go for the Noctua suggested on previous page (if it fits!)
GFX: Ahh the 760! Most have overlooked it, wasnt at the webstore previously!

Motherboard: Always a nightmare with the 10000 types available. As i will be overclocking, but wont run stuff like SLI etc, what would be a good/solid motherboard? Any Suggestions? You mention the Asus Z87-a not good amongst competition? Should i look into other brand? Asrock/Gigabyte/MSI?

Thanks SkyR and Ropid!

All in all i guess it will still be 1200, but meh so be it i guess


A quality 450w is more than sufficient for your typical ~$1000 gaming systems. During a gaming load, the GTX 760 typically consumes ~170w and an overclocked core i5 will be ~50-100w depending on how mild or insane your overclock is. The other components are insignificant to power draw. Nothing is quite as good as the Superflower or Seasonic. ~450w units don't tend to have a lot of cables so a non-modular one may not be so bad for cabling. You just need to typically hide a strand of molex and maybe two other cables (like floppy if included and/or strand of SATA).

The ASUS Z87-A competes with a MSI Z87-G45 Gaming, Gigabyte Z87X-D3H, and Asrock Z87 Extreme4. All of these boards should be slightly less or at the same price as the ASUS while being better in one or multiple areas. Just to name a few differences that come to mind:
  • ASUS uses a Realtek NIC whereas MSI uses a Qualcomm Killer and the other two uses an Intel.
  • Asrock has the best audio solution of these boards iirc and the MSI boasts a headphone amp.
  • Asrock and Gigabyte feature a dual BIOS incase you ever need to flash the BIOS, you'll always have a functioning backup if anything goes wrong.
  • Asrock has more on-board buttons, debug LED, and more I/O typically

Basically most of the board manufacturers have increased motherboard quality from the previous generations where-as ASUS didn't and just changed its colour and naming scheme to something unfamiliar and confusing.


Thanks once again. I've adjusted my build accordingly and it would like follows:

1 x Intel® Core™ i5-4670K € 209,90*
1 x G.Skill 8 GB DDR3-1600 Kit € 68,90*
1 x Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl € 94,90*
1 x Noctua NH-U12S € 69,90*
1 x ASUS GTX760-DC2OC-2GD5 € 264,-*
1 x Western Digital WD10EZEX 1 TB Harde Schijf € 59,90*
1 x Samsung MZ-7TD250BW, 250GB SSD € 149,90*
1 x GIGABYTE GA-Z87M-D3H € 112,90*
Totaalprijs€ 1.030,30*

Seasonic G-Serie 450W € 84.95 (different webstore)

Total € 1115.25

I do have couple quick questions:
- Would this cooler be sufficient for some overclocking on 4670K? (can't find reviews with this CPU). OR should i got for NH-U14S or NH-D14?
- This motherboard good for this setup?

Any further comments on this build?

Thanks in advance!


There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 12 2013 17:15 GMT
#31614
A ~2400 ram kit would help for a few things (sc2 included, ~5-10% gains over 1600) without costing a lot more, and the u12s is only a little behind the u14s/nh-d14, it's high end
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-12 18:03:29
July 12 2013 17:49 GMT
#31615
The NH-U14S should still fit on this mATX board and not be much pricier. I'm trying to find a picture of proof that it'll fit, but I'm failing.

EDIT: The board is listed as compatible on Noctua's site.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Antoine
Profile Blog Joined May 2010
United States7481 Posts
July 12 2013 17:52 GMT
#31616
unless I'm confused, cooler compatibility is based on the width of the case and the socket of the motherboard, not the actual dimensions of the board, right? In some cases (d14, silver arrow), certain ram is too tall but that's not atx/matx related
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Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 12 2013 17:58 GMT
#31617
The graphics card is one slot closer to the CPU socket on mATX. For ATX, the first slot is usually a tiny x1 PCIe slot, the graphics card slot actually being on the second position.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Mithriel
Profile Joined November 2010
Netherlands2969 Posts
July 12 2013 18:01 GMT
#31618
On July 13 2013 02:49 Ropid wrote:
The NH-U14S should still fit on this mATX board and not be much pricier. I'm trying to find a picture of proof that it'll fit, but I'm failing.

EDIT: The board is listed as compatible on Noctua's site.


Thanks, looks like my PC is coming to its final form. I did check the board on noctua site, says its compatible, but might have an issue with the GFX card. Though i guess ill have to try!
There is no shame in defeat so long as the spirit is unconquered. | Cheering for Maru, Innovation and MMA!
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
July 12 2013 18:03 GMT
#31619
On July 13 2013 03:01 Mithriel wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 13 2013 02:49 Ropid wrote:
The NH-U14S should still fit on this mATX board and not be much pricier. I'm trying to find a picture of proof that it'll fit, but I'm failing.

EDIT: The board is listed as compatible on Noctua's site.


Thanks, looks like my PC is coming to its final form. I did check the board on noctua site, says its compatible, but might have an issue with the GFX card. Though i guess ill have to try!

The Asus GTX 760 has stuff on its backside as it's so short. That could be bad with a large cooler and mATX board. You could maybe go for a different card if you choose the U14S, for example a Gigabyte GTX 760 which should be same price. It has a longer PCB and everything on the front side. That might also be better for cooling of its RAM etc.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 12 2013 19:23 GMT
#31620
All the GTX 760 using the reference PCB has memory on the backside and the ASUS's PCB is roughly the same length as the reference PCB.

The Gigabyte GTX 760 Windforce does have its PWM controller on the back since it's using a reference GTX 680 PCB. The Windforce rev2 which is a custom PCB has the memory on the backside.
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