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XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 14 2013 23:45 GMT
#31641
On July 15 2013 08:36 skyR wrote:
Minimum for what...


sorry for Rome Total War 2
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 15 2013 00:54 GMT
#31642
It really depends how well multithreaded and how graphically dependent the game is
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 01:17:38
July 15 2013 01:09 GMT
#31643
What are my options with AMD?

What are my options with Intel? I'm leaning toward I5
Intel Core i5 3470 at 199$ NCIX
But I'm having a hard time to figure out which MOBO to take (all of the "cheap' are MATX - granted, I probably will never SLI or CFire...)

I know with AMD, it will be cheaper though... I know in real life, it doesn't make a huge difference. So If I were to go AMD, what CPU should I take? I was thinking the newest one, with integrated AMD 7xxx...

I'm also facing a hard choice between AMD GPU or GTX. I was thinking the 660 because it gives free ground shipping (at 194 after MIR), but almost all benchmark give the 7870 the edge.

http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=76367
vs
http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=69828&promoid=1337
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 01:33:29
July 15 2013 01:21 GMT
#31644
In terms of CPU's, AMD vs Intel CPU's are very different beasts.

The FX-8350 for example at stock + turbo (4.2ghz on one core) scores ~1.1 on Cinebench 11.5 singlethreaded, whereas the i5 at stock + 1 core turbo (3.9ghz on 1 core) scores ~1.7, but has more overclocking headroom (you can pretty much match fx frequency even with haswell without using exotic cooling)

However, FX 8350 has twice as many integer cores and is lower priced, more available. The 6300 is quite good if you want an unlocked cpu with many cores at a low price point.

Comparing the i5 4670k against an 8350 though - at a high overclock - represented by lets say 4.7 on 4670k (as i have on air), and 4.7ghz on fx8350 - with single core turbo to 5ghz cause it can

You have a ~53% lead on singlethreaded performance for the i5, and a very slight (~5%) lead on multithreaded (all cores loaded) for the fx8350.

i7 keeps the singlethreaded performance, but pushes multithreaded quite far ahead (~15-25%)

In terms of practical use, if you're heavily loading 6+ cores, i5 vs fx won't really matter - if you are loading 4 or fewer cores and you care about performance, you took the budget option with CPU and it really shows.

Sc2 and Planetside 2 for example make this extremely, painfully obvious, where overclocked haswell gives lower FPS than some people want in bad cases (i've seen sub-20 in an actual 1v1 ladder game, though it involved 2 maxed armies, aoe and a whole bunch of turrets with physics on) and that's while having a performance advantage over piledriver FX that ranges from 50% faster to as much as more than twice as fast

[image loading]

^This is what happens when you hit the sc2 engine really hard. The performance differences exist throughout the game, because sc2 is almost never graphically bound at any time FPS is at all low. Planetside 2 shows similar, dipping into the 40's and 30's on overclocked haswell (i didnt see worse, nor did i play it for long because it's an awfully coded, buggy game)

In the end the CPU you buy is decided by what games you are playing and/or what you are doing, how much of a low budget the build is, and how much of an opportunity the singlethreaded weakness of FX would have to be exposed, or stay hidden (if you ride the strong side of the cpu's with software that will use all cores)

So the money question is: How multithreaded is Rome Total War 2 and what else are you doing with the CPU?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 01:35:17
July 15 2013 01:34 GMT
#31645
Thnx for this post

I think ill play it safe with Intel

What about GPU? 660? 7870? Both around 200$. Or are they overkill for Rome 2? (I know this is all hypothesis since the game is not out)

If we assume that rome is not GPU intensive, does that mean that integrated GPU can run it perfectly?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 15 2013 01:38 GMT
#31646
If we assume that rome is not GPU intensive, does that mean that integrated GPU can run it perfectly?


No, integrated graphics are on a completely different scale to dedicated graphics, even a low end card would be something like >5-10x faster. I don't wanna give numbers cause i'm not completely sure, but don't expect integrated to run anything of note

I'd take the 660 because the Shadowplay feature adds a lot of value to a GPU to me, but it's very much down to personal opinion etc. I think people usually take the 7850 for performance/dollar, don't see 7870's very much, but it's tricky to say. I didn't see hundreds of builds recently
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 15 2013 01:48 GMT
#31647
On July 15 2013 00:13 aBstractx wrote:
just built my pc. 4770k gz87 ud4h.

im getting only a 7.8 index score for my cpu in windows 7. shouldnt stock be 7.9? what can i do? not sure what optimal settings are for a cpu.. everything is prettyt much on auto int he bios.


Btw: [image loading]

I'm pretty sure the dude at microsoft forgot to code "7.9" on cpu
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 15 2013 02:39 GMT
#31648
Antec Basiq BP550 Plus 550W

or
Corsair CX Series CX500 500W ATX 12V 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply 120mm Fan

Both are in the 60$ range

Or something else?

Someone telling me to pay more for 760 instead of 660. Thoughts?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 15 2013 02:54 GMT
#31649
None, get the significantly better Capstone 450 from Newegg for $10 more.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 15 2013 02:56 GMT
#31650
On July 15 2013 11:54 skyR wrote:
None, get the significantly better Capstone 450 from Newegg for $10 more.


But if I want to stick with NCIX.ca to avoid further shipping costs?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 15 2013 03:03 GMT
#31651
Newegg's Capstone is $65 + $4 shipping = $70. If you want to stick with NCIX, pricematch the Seasonic G with Newegg for $80.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 15 2013 03:23 GMT
#31652
Corsair Carbide Series 200R Black Gaming Case ATX 3X5.25 4X3.5 Front USB3.0 Audio No PSU @ 53.27

G.SKILL F3-12800CL9D-8GBRL Ripjaws 8GB 2X4GB DDR3-1600 CL9-9-9-24 240PIN DIMM Memory @ 66.79

Intel Core i5 3470 Quad Core Processor LGA1155 3.2GHZ Ivy Bridge 6MB Retail @ 199.99$

Samsung SH-224DB 24X SATA DVD Writer Black @15.40

Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB SATA 6GB/S 7200RPM 64MB Cache 3.5IN Hard Drive OEM 64.999$

ASUS GeForce GTX 660 OC DirectCU 1020MHZ 2GB 6.0GHZ GDDR5 2xDVI HDMI DisplayPort PCI-E Video Card @214.99$ (some people are suggesting me to pay more for the GTX 760)


Gigabyte B75M-D3H mATX LGA1155 B75 DDR3 2PCI-E16 2PCI HDMI CrossFireX SATA3 USB3.0 Motherboard @ 70.99$

ASUS PCE-N15 300Mbps 802.11B/G/N Wireless PCI-E Network Adapter @ 25.40 (Friend needs a wireless adapter since his appartment router is in a nother room)

Add 70-80$ depending on which PSU I get, + more for other components and OS...

So far, how is the build? What can I do to save more? Or what should I change for better quality?
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20326 Posts
July 15 2013 03:27 GMT
#31653
Is there any reason you're making mid-tier build with last gen cpu+mobo?
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 15 2013 03:28 GMT
#31654
On July 15 2013 12:27 Cyro wrote:
Is there any reason you're making mid-tier build with last gen cpu+mobo?


None, but if you are telling me I can go for cheaper while being able to run Rome Total War 2, I'll do it
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 15 2013 03:29 GMT
#31655
For Total Rome 2, I would suggest spending the extra money for an overclockable configuration. GPU is easy to upgrade in the future, not so much for CPU and motherboard.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
July 15 2013 03:34 GMT
#31656
On July 15 2013 12:29 skyR wrote:
For Total Rome 2, I would suggest spending the extra money for an overclockable configuration. GPU is easy to upgrade in the future, not so much for CPU and motherboard.


But concretely, what would be your CPU + mobo choice?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 15 2013 03:37 GMT
#31657
The 4670k and Gigabyte Z87X-D3H, can get the CPU for $230 by pricematching with NCIX at ME and the mobo for $128 by pricematching NCIX at ME. If you rather stick with NCIX then CPU is $238 and mobo is $135.
XenOmega
Profile Blog Joined December 2010
Canada2822 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-07-15 03:42:34
July 15 2013 03:41 GMT
#31658
On July 15 2013 10:21 Cyro wrote:
In terms of CPU's, AMD vs Intel CPU's are very different beasts.

The FX-8350 for example at stock + turbo (4.2ghz on one core) scores ~1.1 on Cinebench 11.5 singlethreaded, whereas the i5 at stock + 1 core turbo (3.9ghz on 1 core) scores ~1.7, but has more overclocking headroom (you can pretty much match fx frequency even with haswell without using exotic cooling)

However, FX 8350 has twice as many integer cores and is lower priced, more available. The 6300 is quite good if you want an unlocked cpu with many cores at a low price point.

Comparing the i5 4670k against an 8350 though - at a high overclock - represented by lets say 4.7 on 4670k (as i have on air), and 4.7ghz on fx8350 - with single core turbo to 5ghz cause it can

You have a ~53% lead on singlethreaded performance for the i5, and a very slight (~5%) lead on multithreaded (all cores loaded) for the fx8350.

i7 keeps the singlethreaded performance, but pushes multithreaded quite far ahead (~15-25%)

In terms of practical use, if you're heavily loading 6+ cores, i5 vs fx won't really matter - if you are loading 4 or fewer cores and you care about performance, you took the budget option with CPU and it really shows.

Sc2 and Planetside 2 for example make this extremely, painfully obvious, where overclocked haswell gives lower FPS than some people want in bad cases (i've seen sub-20 in an actual 1v1 ladder game, though it involved 2 maxed armies, aoe and a whole bunch of turrets with physics on) and that's while having a performance advantage over piledriver FX that ranges from 50% faster to as much as more than twice as fast

[image loading]

^This is what happens when you hit the sc2 engine really hard. The performance differences exist throughout the game, because sc2 is almost never graphically bound at any time FPS is at all low. Planetside 2 shows similar, dipping into the 40's and 30's on overclocked haswell (i didnt see worse, nor did i play it for long because it's an awfully coded, buggy game)

In the end the CPU you buy is decided by what games you are playing and/or what you are doing, how much of a low budget the build is, and how much of an opportunity the singlethreaded weakness of FX would have to be exposed, or stay hidden (if you ride the strong side of the cpu's with software that will use all cores)

So the money question is: How multithreaded is Rome Total War 2 and what else are you doing with the CPU?



Money reply : The goal of my friend is to play Rome Total War 2 perfectly (whatever that means) on 1080 resolution. It has to run smoothly.

Eventually, he will add sport games + shooter to his computer. The latter worries me because depending on titles, some shooters can be quite demanding (say Battlefield)


On July 15 2013 12:37 skyR wrote:
The 4670k and Gigabyte Z87X-D3H, can get the CPU for $230 by pricematching with NCIX at ME and the mobo for $128 by pricematching NCIX at ME. If you rather stick with NCIX then CPU is $238 and mobo is $135.


What is ME?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
July 15 2013 03:55 GMT
#31659
Memory Express.

Total War Rome 2 is going to be better optimized than Shogun but it's still going to be a very intensive game. It's like Starcraft II where in certain scenarios, your FPS is going to plummet. Likely to single digits even.
Froadac
Profile Blog Joined July 2009
United States6733 Posts
July 15 2013 04:07 GMT
#31660
Myi brother wants a computer that is within all reason as cheap as is possible that will play sc2 on high. I have a license for windows, and 4gb of 1333 DDR3 which I'll let him use. I think it will be on a 1080p monitor but he doens't have one right now. Planning on using it with a CRT at this point which is sort of ridiculous.

Anyways, I was thinking about using a A10 APU but I'm not sure that would necessarily be the best bet.

Price/specs are the main goal on this. I don't want to skimp too much on mobo/psu/case, but things like the case certainly aren't a priority.

I'm a US resident with access to Fry's. I'd like to get it done this week, so Fry's/items on amazon with prime shipping are the two best options.
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