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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20318 Posts
June 09 2013 04:46 GMT
#30581
I don't have an override mode. I'm using a gigabyte z87x-ud3h.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 04:47:17
June 09 2013 04:46 GMT
#30582
On June 09 2013 13:35 LFHaunt wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 19:18 LFHaunt wrote:
On June 08 2013 19:00 skyR wrote:
On June 08 2013 18:27 LFHaunt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2013 18:14 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 16:56 LFHaunt wrote:
I was gunna get a i5-3570K + ASRock Extreme4 but they are out of stock of the 3570K at my local microcenter.
I finally have time to go to microcenter tomorrow which is about 60 miles away and i was thinking instead of waiting I should just get a i5-4570 + ASRock PRO3 or PRO4.
Has anyone heard anything about this CPU and MoBo. Any advice to help me make a purchase with confidence? I dont know what i should be asking here, hell i dont know if i should be buying this stuff.

So you planned to overclock originally, yes? That second CPU you mentioned can't do that. You have to choose the one that has a "k" in its name after the number. That would be i5-4670k. You need some board with "Z87" chipset.

If you don't overclock, you don't have to pay extra for the CPU that has that "k" at the end, and you don't need to buy a separate CPU cooler. You can also choose a board with "H87" or "B85" chipsets, which should be somewhat cheaper than Z87. They should all be alright, just see if it has all connections you need and compare them like that. Some have only two slots for memory, some have audio that can't do 5.1 speakers, some don't have HDMI out which could be useful for a TV or something, etc. Some boards use Intel for networking, others a cheaper alternative.

For which Z87 board to go for when going the overclocking route, just make sure it has a heat-sink on the chips beside the CPU socket. Other than that, again look for connections you need.

Also, don't ignore the mATX boards. You can still use those in a large case, and they are a little cheaper. Their downside is some of the large (pricey) air coolers might not fit because the graphics card is one slot closer to the CPU socket.


Do i need to overclock in order to play and stream SC2?
If not no i don't plan on overclocking.
Microcenter only has Z87 so that's why I picked the ASRock PRO4 Z87. Its cheap but that's about all i know about this MoBo which is where i would like to get more information. Is it fair to say that the PRO4 Z77's review would transfer over to the Z87?

One thing that has me shitting my pants is the fact that the reviews on newegg for the z77 say every once in a while that the mobo doesnt even last one year, and if im about to make one of my first purchase of this magnitude i dont want it to fail so quickly.
But one thing that gives me hope is that i believe in the back of my mind that these post are by newegg employees smurfing and creating bad review intentionally to try and get people to dishout a few more bucks so that they can make more money.

Im now hearing that Haswell wont work well with older PSUs? is there any validity to that?
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Haswell-PSU-Power-State,22320.html
if so would this PSU compensate? http://www.microcenter.com/product/365238/TR2_Series_600_Watt_ATX_Power_Supply
Or is this also a ploy to try and make some more money?


No you don't need to overclock in order to play or stream though overclocking does help.

Take Newegg reviews with a grain of salt unless there's an abundance of negative reviews for a product. Yes, components have a chance to fail. It sucks but that's just how it is due to the manufacturing process and humanity. That's why there are warranties. Most companies such as ASUS, Intel, MSI, Gigabyte all provide a three year warranty.

Not having a Haswell compatible power supply just means that you won't be able to take advantage of the new low power states which quite frankly doesn't matter for a desktop. And a Thermaltake TR2 is terrible, if you even have the slightest care for your money, you wouldn't purchase that piece of shit. Plus, 600w is extremely unnecessary if you are running a non overclocked configuration with a single GPU.


Whats so bad about Thermaltake TR2?
what about this http://www.microcenter.com/product/367693/Gold_Series_ILG-500-2_500_Watt_ATX_Power_Supply


Not sure what the difference is between these two, can anyone help me out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139049
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

And I wasnt able to make it out to microcenter again today so i guess its next Saturday.


CX430M is modular, CX430 is not. Modular not really worth the money on cheap low wattage units, you're going to be using literally every cable except for maybe a strand of molex and floppy.
LFHaunt
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 05:03:07
June 09 2013 04:55 GMT
#30583
On June 09 2013 13:46 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 13:35 LFHaunt wrote:
On June 08 2013 19:18 LFHaunt wrote:
On June 08 2013 19:00 skyR wrote:
On June 08 2013 18:27 LFHaunt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On June 08 2013 18:14 Ropid wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 08 2013 16:56 LFHaunt wrote:
I was gunna get a i5-3570K + ASRock Extreme4 but they are out of stock of the 3570K at my local microcenter.
I finally have time to go to microcenter tomorrow which is about 60 miles away and i was thinking instead of waiting I should just get a i5-4570 + ASRock PRO3 or PRO4.
Has anyone heard anything about this CPU and MoBo. Any advice to help me make a purchase with confidence? I dont know what i should be asking here, hell i dont know if i should be buying this stuff.

So you planned to overclock originally, yes? That second CPU you mentioned can't do that. You have to choose the one that has a "k" in its name after the number. That would be i5-4670k. You need some board with "Z87" chipset.

If you don't overclock, you don't have to pay extra for the CPU that has that "k" at the end, and you don't need to buy a separate CPU cooler. You can also choose a board with "H87" or "B85" chipsets, which should be somewhat cheaper than Z87. They should all be alright, just see if it has all connections you need and compare them like that. Some have only two slots for memory, some have audio that can't do 5.1 speakers, some don't have HDMI out which could be useful for a TV or something, etc. Some boards use Intel for networking, others a cheaper alternative.

For which Z87 board to go for when going the overclocking route, just make sure it has a heat-sink on the chips beside the CPU socket. Other than that, again look for connections you need.

Also, don't ignore the mATX boards. You can still use those in a large case, and they are a little cheaper. Their downside is some of the large (pricey) air coolers might not fit because the graphics card is one slot closer to the CPU socket.


Do i need to overclock in order to play and stream SC2?
If not no i don't plan on overclocking.
Microcenter only has Z87 so that's why I picked the ASRock PRO4 Z87. Its cheap but that's about all i know about this MoBo which is where i would like to get more information. Is it fair to say that the PRO4 Z77's review would transfer over to the Z87?

One thing that has me shitting my pants is the fact that the reviews on newegg for the z77 say every once in a while that the mobo doesnt even last one year, and if im about to make one of my first purchase of this magnitude i dont want it to fail so quickly.
But one thing that gives me hope is that i believe in the back of my mind that these post are by newegg employees smurfing and creating bad review intentionally to try and get people to dishout a few more bucks so that they can make more money.

Im now hearing that Haswell wont work well with older PSUs? is there any validity to that?
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Haswell-PSU-Power-State,22320.html
if so would this PSU compensate? http://www.microcenter.com/product/365238/TR2_Series_600_Watt_ATX_Power_Supply
Or is this also a ploy to try and make some more money?


No you don't need to overclock in order to play or stream though overclocking does help.

Take Newegg reviews with a grain of salt unless there's an abundance of negative reviews for a product. Yes, components have a chance to fail. It sucks but that's just how it is due to the manufacturing process and humanity. That's why there are warranties. Most companies such as ASUS, Intel, MSI, Gigabyte all provide a three year warranty.

Not having a Haswell compatible power supply just means that you won't be able to take advantage of the new low power states which quite frankly doesn't matter for a desktop. And a Thermaltake TR2 is terrible, if you even have the slightest care for your money, you wouldn't purchase that piece of shit. Plus, 600w is extremely unnecessary if you are running a non overclocked configuration with a single GPU.


Whats so bad about Thermaltake TR2?
what about this http://www.microcenter.com/product/367693/Gold_Series_ILG-500-2_500_Watt_ATX_Power_Supply


Not sure what the difference is between these two, can anyone help me out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139049
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

And I wasnt able to make it out to microcenter again today so i guess its next Saturday.


CX430M is modular, CX430 is not. Modular not really worth the money on cheap low wattage units, you're going to be using literally every cable except for maybe a strand of molex and floppy.


Modular PSU mean detactable cables right? For the same price i think its better for a build not using all the cables. More space less cables better airflow. The 500W Modular is actually cheaper the then non modular
Also since im gunna be delaying my purchase till next saturday i will be getting payed and so i was looking at a better MoBo, the ASRock Extreme3 but in its description it says a recommended PSU of 500W or higher, should i be worried about this with the 430 or should i get the 500?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2013 05:09 GMT
#30584
CX430 is not fully modular, it is only semi-modular. On such a low-end unit, that typically only means the SATA and molex are detachable.

Like I said, a low-end cheap modular unit isn't typically worth it since you're going to be using every cable except for like one or two which can easily be tucked away behind the motherboard tray or just left at the bottom of the case, both of which won't hinder airflow and not significant in space savings.

And motherboards don't have recommended power supplies listed? That would be the stupidest thing ever since how would they know what I'm going to plug into the motherboard?

You said you weren't going to overclock. A 400w unit like the CX430 can handle most non-overclocked single GPU configurations.

If you want to deal with mail in rebates then okay, get the CX430M since it's less expensive right now as the CX430 doesn't have a mail in rebate.
LFHaunt
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 05:56:27
June 09 2013 05:55 GMT
#30585
Oh i forgot to mention the i5-4670K is actually the exact same price as the i5-4570 on microcenter if your going to buy a motherboard from microcenter aswell so i might aswell just go for the i5-4670K, stupid for me to not realize this earlier. with this said would i need a stronger PSU and if so how much Watts?
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
June 09 2013 06:15 GMT
#30586
On June 09 2013 00:23 KapsyL wrote:
Hi i'm back again xD

Haswell is out and it's time for the freakin pc already. Need a motherboard and 8GB RAM that fits with eachother and the CPU

CPU will be i5 4670k

CPU is K marked so I suppose i will overclock at some point in the future? Not too much though.

If it matters I'm in 1920x1080 and will stream sc2.

GPU will be MSI GTX 660 with Twin Frozr III

Edit: Regarding budget it's something around 200 euros. preferably not more

Will order it this right away ~


Bump :p
Jurg Jurg Jurg
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2013 06:18 GMT
#30587
On June 09 2013 14:55 LFHaunt wrote:
Oh i forgot to mention the i5-4670K is actually the exact same price as the i5-4570 on microcenter if your going to buy a motherboard from microcenter aswell so i might aswell just go for the i5-4670K, stupid for me to not realize this earlier. with this said would i need a stronger PSU and if so how much Watts?


Well then are you going to overclock? And you never mentioned what your GPU is going to be.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2013 06:30 GMT
#30588
On June 09 2013 15:15 KapsyL wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2013 00:23 KapsyL wrote:
Hi i'm back again xD

Haswell is out and it's time for the freakin pc already. Need a motherboard and 8GB RAM that fits with eachother and the CPU

CPU will be i5 4670k

CPU is K marked so I suppose i will overclock at some point in the future? Not too much though.

If it matters I'm in 1920x1080 and will stream sc2.

GPU will be MSI GTX 660 with Twin Frozr III

Edit: Regarding budget it's something around 200 euros. preferably not more

Will order it this right away ~


Bump :p


A Radeon HD7770 or GTX 650 Ti can already max the game out at 1080p so a GTX 660 Twin Frozr III is highly unnecessary for Starcraft II just so you know.. If you aren't playing other games then you'll just be throwing money away.

Any low-end Z87 board is fine if you're only looking to do a light overclock in the future and whatever 2x4gb 1600MHz @ 1.5v kit (generally you want the least expensive unless you prefer to purchase from certain manufacturers for whatever reason).
LFHaunt
Profile Blog Joined April 2011
United States102 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 06:51:10
June 09 2013 06:47 GMT
#30589
I dont know anything about overclocking as of right now, I dont plan on buying a CPU cooler as of right now so i dont think i would be capable of any heavy OCing, I would like to OC as much as the stock CPU will allow me without causing any stress that might cause the CPU to have a shorter lifespan.

As for GPU i don't plan of getting one yet, but from the little amount of information I have, i think a GT660 ( or was it the GT660Ti) is the most bang for your buck? Ill get one once i get paid in the near future.
Ive also heard that the GT700 line is come out soon? maybe ill get one of these. But im not sure when it comes to GPUs any suggestions?

Heres is my current build that i plan on purchacing. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/14wig
I already have a NZXT case and the Win8.

ps - I also have no idea when it comes to CPU coolers
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 09 2013 06:52 GMT
#30590
On June 09 2013 13:12 Cyro wrote:
Can you run through like a 5 min part of a replay at faster speed (the speed game is played on) after x8ing the whole replay to load everything, and going back, and post fraps benchmark data and the replay? On min settings, lategame high supply etc. 2v2 rep would be nice. I'd like to benchmark against and see how relevant avx instructions are for sc2, etc. Without them i can OC much more aggressively. Last time i tried to uninstall service pack 1 it made my OS unbootable and i had to format my SSD so it's a bit awkward to test it myself

You can disable AVX with this command at an admin prompt:

bcdedit /set xsavedisable 1

You might want to type only "bcdedit" before and after, just to see that "xsavedisable" is created and changed in the list you'll get. Reverting it should be either setting it to 0 or using bcdedit /deletevalue xsavedisable.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Alryk
Profile Blog Joined November 2011
United States2718 Posts
June 09 2013 06:56 GMT
#30591
I'm very confused. While trying to get 4.4 totally stable (or more stable), I've been steadily upping the vcore. I'm actually seemingly more stable at 1.13V and 4.4Ghz than I am at 1.2V? Is there any situation ever where that makes sense? I can pass much more of my Very High IBT at that voltage than I do at 1.2... very confused?
Team Liquid, IM, ViOlet!
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 07:03:21
June 09 2013 07:00 GMT
#30592
On June 09 2013 15:30 skyR wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 15:15 KapsyL wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2013 00:23 KapsyL wrote:
Hi i'm back again xD

Haswell is out and it's time for the freakin pc already. Need a motherboard and 8GB RAM that fits with eachother and the CPU

CPU will be i5 4670k

CPU is K marked so I suppose i will overclock at some point in the future? Not too much though.

If it matters I'm in 1920x1080 and will stream sc2.

GPU will be MSI GTX 660 with Twin Frozr III

Edit: Regarding budget it's something around 200 euros. preferably not more

Will order it this right away ~


Bump :p


A Radeon HD7770 or GTX 650 Ti can already max the game out at 1080p so a GTX 660 Twin Frozr III is highly unnecessary for Starcraft II just so you know.. If you aren't playing other games then you'll just be throwing money away.

Any low-end Z87 board is fine if you're only looking to do a light overclock in the future and whatever 2x4gb 1600MHz @ 1.5v kit (generally you want the least expensive unless you prefer to purchase from certain manufacturers for whatever reason).



Hey thanks for the tip. Im aware that 650 TI will max it its just a matter of me having to get one step ahead of my brother since he is a owner of it

Could you name a certain motherboard/RAM i could purchase? I dont really know whats good or not

Buying off Komplett.se and last I checked they have limited amount of mobos i can use
Jurg Jurg Jurg
Chairman Ray
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States11903 Posts
June 09 2013 07:00 GMT
#30593
I'm gonna be moving to Seattle soon, and gonna purchase all my new computer parts there. What would be the cheapest option? I'm considering shipping from someone near a microcenter, but that seems really tedious. Are there any options cheaper than newegg/amazon?
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-06-09 07:15:46
June 09 2013 07:12 GMT
#30594
Also I have a question. Doesnt RAM/MOBO/CPU have to fit togethere or something like that? maybe im badly informed rofl

Corsair Vengeance DDR3 1600MHz 8GB CL9 579 SEK about 55 euros. would this one be good?
http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=618010#extra

Regarding motherboard. I want to have dual monitor later on so i guess that needs to be factored in, if it matters at all
Jurg Jurg Jurg
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2013 07:23 GMT
#30595
On June 09 2013 16:12 KapsyL wrote:
Also I have a question. Doesnt RAM/MOBO/CPU have to fit togethere or something like that? maybe im badly informed rofl


Yes but its really not complicated unless you make it to be. The Core i5 4670k is socket LGA1150 and all Z87 motherboards are socket LGA1150, they're made for Haswell (4th Generation Core ... the i5 4670k being one of them if you still don't understand). All motherboards use DDR3.. doesn't matter the speed or anything else, if its DDR3 then it'll work.

Yes the Corsair Vengeance kit is good.

It really doesn't matter what board you end up with for a maybe mild overclock in the future. Something like the MSI Z87M-G43 would work or Gigabyte Z87M-D3H or Z87P-D3, etc.

You generally plug monitors into the graphics card, not the motherboard. All modern cards suitable for gaming support three to six displays. If you're not an enthusiast user or have a specific need then there is nothing to concern yourself about as everything is probably already there for you.
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
June 09 2013 07:27 GMT
#30596
Ok great man!! thanks for all the information and ill take a look at the MOBOs you mentioned and pick the cheaper one :p
Jurg Jurg Jurg
FreakyDroid
Profile Joined July 2012
Macedonia2616 Posts
June 09 2013 07:30 GMT
#30597
On June 09 2013 16:00 KapsyL wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 09 2013 15:30 skyR wrote:
On June 09 2013 15:15 KapsyL wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
On June 09 2013 00:23 KapsyL wrote:
Hi i'm back again xD

Haswell is out and it's time for the freakin pc already. Need a motherboard and 8GB RAM that fits with eachother and the CPU

CPU will be i5 4670k

CPU is K marked so I suppose i will overclock at some point in the future? Not too much though.

If it matters I'm in 1920x1080 and will stream sc2.

GPU will be MSI GTX 660 with Twin Frozr III

Edit: Regarding budget it's something around 200 euros. preferably not more

Will order it this right away ~


Bump :p


A Radeon HD7770 or GTX 650 Ti can already max the game out at 1080p so a GTX 660 Twin Frozr III is highly unnecessary for Starcraft II just so you know.. If you aren't playing other games then you'll just be throwing money away.

Any low-end Z87 board is fine if you're only looking to do a light overclock in the future and whatever 2x4gb 1600MHz @ 1.5v kit (generally you want the least expensive unless you prefer to purchase from certain manufacturers for whatever reason).



Hey thanks for the tip. Im aware that 650 TI will max it its just a matter of me having to get one step ahead of my brother since he is a owner of it

Could you name a certain motherboard/RAM i could purchase? I dont really know whats good or not

Buying off Komplett.se and last I checked they have limited amount of mobos i can use


http://www.komplett.se/k/ki.aspx?sku=781720#extra

Or any 1150 socket motherboard to fit the CPU you got, it was the cheapest i could find on that site.

For RAM, these will fit your mobo

http://www.komplett.se/k/kl.aspx?filter=A02004.K245395.&bn=11209
Smile, tomorrow will be worse
KapsyL
Profile Joined November 2011
Sweden704 Posts
June 09 2013 07:31 GMT
#30598
seems i dont have to do anything at all. you guys did it for me. thanks alot again and ill definetly go with the vengeance one and the d3h thx
Jurg Jurg Jurg
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
June 09 2013 07:36 GMT
#30599
On June 09 2013 15:47 LFHaunt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
I dont know anything about overclocking as of right now, I dont plan on buying a CPU cooler as of right now so i dont think i would be capable of any heavy OCing, I would like to OC as much as the stock CPU will allow me without causing any stress that might cause the CPU to have a shorter lifespan.

As for GPU i don't plan of getting one yet, but from the little amount of information I have, i think a GT660 ( or was it the GT660Ti) is the most bang for your buck? Ill get one once i get paid in the near future.
Ive also heard that the GT700 line is come out soon? maybe ill get one of these. But im not sure when it comes to GPUs any suggestions?

Heres is my current build that i plan on purchacing. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/14wig
I already have a NZXT case and the Win8.

ps - I also have no idea when it comes to CPU coolers


The GTX 780 and 770 have already been released, the GTX 760 is expected within the next few weeks and the rest of the series will be released later. People generally consider the ~$200 card to provide the best bang of the buck even though it may not technically be true. The term gets thrown around a lot but it really depends on multiple factors such as the game you'll be playing, and game settings / resolution.

If you're getting a $200-$400 GPU then it's a good idea to get a power supply that has two PCIe connectors (typically ~500w units) so you can avoid using a molex to PCIe connector. Though a ~400w unit will still be sufficient for a non overclocked core i5 and a GTX 660 Ti.

The CX500 is not a good value at $55. For $5 more, you can get a Rosewill Capstone 450 which is significantly better in every way.
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
June 09 2013 07:55 GMT
#30600
On June 09 2013 15:47 LFHaunt wrote:
I dont know anything about overclocking as of right now, I dont plan on buying a CPU cooler as of right now so i dont think i would be capable of any heavy OCing, I would like to OC as much as the stock CPU will allow me without causing any stress that might cause the CPU to have a shorter lifespan.

As for GPU i don't plan of getting one yet, but from the little amount of information I have, i think a GT660 ( or was it the GT660Ti) is the most bang for your buck? Ill get one once i get paid in the near future.
Ive also heard that the GT700 line is come out soon? maybe ill get one of these. But im not sure when it comes to GPUs any suggestions?

Heres is my current build that i plan on purchacing. http://pcpartpicker.com/p/14wig
I already have a NZXT case and the Win8.

ps - I also have no idea when it comes to CPU coolers


You shouldn't do any overclocking with the stock cooler. It is already struggling with the heat at stock speed for the fastest CPUs.

If you want to buy now, choose $30 Coolermaster Hyper 212 Evo or Plus. Maybe there's a deal going on. Choose Evo over Plus if they are the same price. I looked at the Microcenter site, and you should ignore everything else except something from Zalman with at least 120mm fan.

If you want to buy whenever, there's large coolers from Thermalright for $50 at amazon.com. They should be about the best you can get until $70 or $80.

The difference in performance between $30 and $80 isn't that much, but is enough for 100 MHz more, less noise and less worry in hot weather. You'll already get most of the improvement with those $50 coolers.
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