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EmcDreams

Austria6 Posts

June 08 2013 15:51 GMT

#30561

On June 09 2013 00:39 MisterFred wrote:
@EmcDreams. Your location tag says Australia, but you're quoting parts in euros. Where do you live?

I am from Austria, fixed that now

Alryk

United States2718 Posts

June 08 2013 16:32 GMT

#30562

I am confused by one thing on my UEFI. Under FIVR Configuration I have CPU Voltage Mode and CPU Override Voltage, which says "Override: The voltage is fixed" and CPU override voltage says "Configure the fixed voltage for the CPU" with a min of .8 and max 2V.

Then, if I go down I have "Voltage Configuration" with "CPU Input Voltage" and CPU LLC, along with DRAM voltage and PCH 1.05 and PCH 1.5 Voltage. CPU Input voltage also says "The external voltage input to the CPU, fixed/offset mode select." If I pick Fixed mode, it auto starts it at 1.9V which makes me think that setting is the IVR that got added onto haswell, it it not?

I'm mainly confused as to whether I need CPU Input voltage under Voltage configuration or CPU Override Voltage (I have the CPU voltage mode set to override to tune the OC) under FIVR Configuration to actual set my OC settings. Does that make sense to anybody?

Edit: I think it must be the first one, considering the bottom one when fixed doesn't let me go below 1.2V.

Double edit: I can boot 4.6 at 1.2V, but I'm not passing IBT until 4.4Ghz at 1.2V right now.

Also, my CPU-Z was being weird because apparently CPU-Z isn't ready to read Haswell just yet.

Fatta

Germany148 Posts

June 08 2013 17:28 GMT

#30563

I am looking into buying a new PC at some point. Current plan was to buy a 4670k and might do some overclocking with it. I have now read some contradictory stuff whether it is locked or not. The K should normally indicate that the multiplier is not locked like on the 3570k, but I have also read that only the 4770k is unlocked and the 4670k is locked. Has someone a source that confirms either one or the other?

Alryk

United States2718 Posts

June 08 2013 17:34 GMT

#30564

I'm not sure where you read that. It is most definitely unlocked, I'm testing mine right now

Ok, I passed about 15 minutes of IBT at 4.43Ghz and 1.115V with a .02V offset. I think that's what I'm going to take, as I need like... 1.3V to get to 4.5, and my cooling isn't enough at about 1.27V it seems (although I don't have it set to run max the whole time). Gonna run SC2 in just a second and test a replay!

SC2 Statistics: Faster x8 in a 41 minute replay of HerO vs some barcode (it's in the latest replay pack) gave a 2 frame min, although I think I had a stall which accounted for it. Watching from 160 supply on it was usually in the ~15 ish range.

Faster x1 same replay starting at 15 minutes with both of them at 150 - 170 supply: min was 26, max was like 122, average was 56.

Temperatures topped out at 58 celsius tested on faster x8! Pretty good I think.

I'm running 4.43 Ghz @ 1.115V again, with a 100.6 BCLK and 44 multiplier.

Chairman Ray

United States11903 Posts

June 08 2013 18:27 GMT

#30565

On June 09 2013 02:28 Fatta wrote:
I am looking into buying a new PC at some point. Current plan was to buy a 4670k and might do some overclocking with it. I have now read some contradictory stuff whether it is locked or not. The K should normally indicate that the multiplier is not locked like on the 3570k, but I have also read that only the 4770k is unlocked and the 4670k is locked. Has someone a source that confirms either one or the other?

4670k is unlocked. You will be able to overclock it. The i5-4670 is locked however, so don't accidentally buy one of those instead.

Chaoz

United States507 Posts

June 08 2013 19:37 GMT

#30566

How fast do processors usually drop when the next gen arrives? I'm planning on upgrading and getting a i5-3570 for $150. I'm in absolutely no hurry to do so though.

Ropid

Germany3557 Posts

June 08 2013 19:47 GMT

#30567

They won't drop in price. Intel stops manufacturing them. They only sell the new processors. You can try to find something cheap when a shop wants to clear its old inventory.

skyR

Canada13817 Posts

June 08 2013 22:09 GMT

#30568

A Core i5 3570 will never be $150. Maybe during Black Friday but don't get your hopes up because it's not likely.

LFHaunt

United States102 Posts

June 08 2013 23:42 GMT

#30569

On June 08 2013 19:42 Ropid wrote:
@LFHaunt:

I was pretty happy with what I've seen from ASRock in the past. Their stuff had less problems than what I've seen elsewhere regarding stability, drivers, strange Windows errors related to sleep and hibernate. The problems with quality was more about the parts for overclocking and this is fixed with Haswell. The CPU itself now helps with transforming voltage, making boards using cheap parts better. You can't look at Z77 reviews because of that.

You'll probably be content without overclocking. Haswell also additionally seems a good bit faster than Ivy Bridge in SC2. But if Microcenter has the cheapest stuff and you have to choose a Z87 board anyways, that "k" CPU could still be interesting for more options in the future. Just look at the price difference, it might be small and tempting.

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For even a little overclocking, you need a bigger cooler than the stock one. The Coolermaster "Hyper 212 plus" or "Hyper 212 evo" coolers should be $30 and the most solid choice for that price at Microcenter. If there's a deal for Zalman for $30, it needs at least a 120mm fan to compete and be a little better.

Even though the chip doesnt have a "K" behind it dont all processors have turbo boost, allowing them to get .4GHz more?
I was thinking that maybe i should get the i5-4570 for now and then maybe in about 4 years i would get the 5th generations version of the i5-4670K (maybe i5-5780K?) and put that on the PRO4

Cyro

United Kingdom20344 Posts

June 08 2013 23:45 GMT

#30570

On June 09 2013 02:34 Alryk wrote:
I'm not sure where you read that. It is most definitely unlocked, I'm testing mine right now

Do you have windows 7 service pack 1 installed? What gflops are you getting?

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skyR

Canada13817 Posts

June 09 2013 00:03 GMT

#30571

On June 09 2013 08:42 LFHaunt wrote:

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Only core i5 and core i7 have turbo boost.

That's a stupid plan, just saying. You're not going to find a retail Broadwell that is worth it over Skymont and whatever comes after it. If you are willing to buy used in five years, the chances are that person is also selling a motherboard with Broadwell so why waste money on a Z87 right now.

Alryk

United States2718 Posts

June 09 2013 00:20 GMT

#30572

On June 09 2013 08:45 Cyro wrote:

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Do you have windows 7 service pack 1 installed? What gflops are you getting?

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I'm running Windows 8, I haven't installed any updates yet though. I'm in override mode, voltage is at 1.115V and .01 offset now, and I took the clock just down to 4.4Ghz because I got an error earlier at 4.43.
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Ambient temp in here is probably at last 27 celsius or higher, the AC isn't working and it's 35 celsius outside ;;

Should I be lower than yours? I think that would be because of the lack of HT for this? Also, CPU-Z refuses to read my voltage right, I'm not sure why

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Sorry, I took this at a meh time. It was right as one of the tests was winding down.
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MisterFred

United States2033 Posts

June 09 2013 01:50 GMT

#30573

On June 08 2013 22:56 EmcDreams wrote:
Hey guys, I've been thinking about putting together a new pc and since I am quite unexperienced in this area some help would be very much appreciated

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What is your budget?

About 800 (+100 if need be)

What is your resolution?

My resolution is 1920 x 1080. I might add a second monitor later on.

What are you using it for?

I will use it for gaming only pretty much. Just playing the newest games on higher settings for the next few years would be nice.

What is your upgrade cycle?

2-3 Years

When do you plan on building it?

As soon as possible.

Do you plan on overclocking?

Yes, if it is possible withing my budget. ^.^

Do you need an Operating System?

Nope.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

Nope.

Where are you buying your parts from?

I will be buying from a variety of sites, but the prices won't differ too much from sites like hardwareversand.de or amazon.

The only thing that is set in stone so far is the case which is gonna be the Fractal Design Define R4 Black Pearl for 93,68€. I also think a SSD would suite my need better as I will use the pc for gaming only.
I pretty much need help on all the other parts. Thanks in advance.

You have a pretty significant budget decision to make: overclocking versus spending more on the GPU. Spending more on the GPU rather than overclocking will be better for most games in terms of graphics quality. But there are a few purposes, such as streaming SC2, which would prefer an overclocked CPU & weaker GPU. And your budget allows for a good mid-range GPU even if you decide to overclock. Also for my convenience I pulled parts from alternate.de. Feel free to shop around. Though alternate has an e-sports team.

holistic

United States21 Posts

June 09 2013 02:44 GMT

#30574

Alryk,

What are your system specs for the sc2 benches you posted earlier? (gpu, mobo, ram, cooler, etc)

Also, what settings are you using in game? Maxed out everything?

Thanks!

Here's to hoping haswell OC makes sc2 lategame silky smooth.

Alryk

United States2718 Posts

June 09 2013 02:50 GMT

#30575

On June 09 2013 11:44 holistic wrote:
Alryk,

What are your system specs for the sc2 benches you posted earlier? (gpu, mobo, ram, cooler, etc)

Also, what settings are you using in game? Maxed out everything?

Thanks!

Here's to hoping haswell OC makes sc2 lategame silky smooth.

i5-4670k
Sapphire HD7850 (I haven't touched it, but it's probably factory overclocked)
1600Mhz Kingston RAM
Noctua NH-U12S
Asrock Z87M-Extreme4
Seasonic G 550W Gold modular PSU

Everything maxed out, 1080P. On further testing, I'm currently passing IBT at 4.4Ghz and 1.13V instead of 115, I was getting errors on the "Very High" setting of IBT.

Cyro

United Kingdom20344 Posts

June 09 2013 04:12 GMT

#30576

Can you run through like a 5 min part of a replay at faster speed (the speed game is played on) after x8ing the whole replay to load everything, and going back, and post fraps benchmark data and the replay? On min settings, lategame high supply etc. 2v2 rep would be nice. I'd like to benchmark against and see how relevant avx instructions are for sc2, etc. Without them i can OC much more aggressively. Last time i tried to uninstall service pack 1 it made my OS unbootable and i had to format my SSD so it's a bit awkward to test it myself

holistic

United States21 Posts

June 09 2013 04:18 GMT

#30577

Can't wait to see the bench comparisons and ultimately what you max at, Cyro and Alryk :D

Cyro

United Kingdom20344 Posts

June 09 2013 04:32 GMT

#30578

Hopefully sc2 doesn't benefit much from AVX instructions. Haswell with AVX is ~35-50c hotter than sandy at the same OC which is just fucking silly

Alryk

United States2718 Posts

June 09 2013 04:34 GMT

#30579

On June 09 2013 13:12 Cyro wrote:
Can you run through like a 5 min part of a replay at faster speed (the speed game is played on) after x8ing the whole replay to load everything, and going back, and post fraps benchmark data and the replay? On min settings, lategame high supply etc. 2v2 rep would be nice. I'd like to benchmark against and see how relevant avx instructions are for sc2, etc. Without them i can OC much more aggressively. Last time i tried to uninstall service pack 1 it made my OS unbootable and i had to format my SSD so it's a bit awkward to test it myself

Alright, I'll get that done tomorrow probably. I'm watching MVP kick Innovation's ass (hopefully!@) right now. And the room I'm in seems really bad for testing in general, ambient is just way higher than what I'll actually be running at. From what I can tell though, those results are going to be very decent Cyro, although I do need to get a hold of a decent 2v2 replay.

@Holistic I think I might just stick with 4.4Ghz, although when I get home and have more time to do real research I might go for a bit higher. I'll be sure to finish posting results though when I do

To anybody with CPU-Z: if voltage isn't being reported properly, get version 1.64.1 or 1.64.2. It actually reports the voltage now, which is good.

@Cyro: are you in override mode? Couldn't it be adaptive mode adding .2V or something? I'm tuning my overclock in override mode so that the voltage is fixed.

LFHaunt

United States102 Posts

June 09 2013 04:35 GMT

#30580

On June 08 2013 19:18 LFHaunt wrote:

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On June 08 2013 19:00 skyR wrote:

On June 08 2013 18:27 LFHaunt wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On June 08 2013 18:14 Ropid wrote:

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So you planned to overclock originally, yes? That second CPU you mentioned can't do that. You have to choose the one that has a "k" in its name after the number. That would be i5-4670k. You need some board with "Z87" chipset.

If you don't overclock, you don't have to pay extra for the CPU that has that "k" at the end, and you don't need to buy a separate CPU cooler. You can also choose a board with "H87" or "B85" chipsets, which should be somewhat cheaper than Z87. They should all be alright, just see if it has all connections you need and compare them like that. Some have only two slots for memory, some have audio that can't do 5.1 speakers, some don't have HDMI out which could be useful for a TV or something, etc. Some boards use Intel for networking, others a cheaper alternative.

For which Z87 board to go for when going the overclocking route, just make sure it has a heat-sink on the chips beside the CPU socket. Other than that, again look for connections you need.

Also, don't ignore the mATX boards. You can still use those in a large case, and they are a little cheaper. Their downside is some of the large (pricey) air coolers might not fit because the graphics card is one slot closer to the CPU socket.

Do i need to overclock in order to play and stream SC2?
If not no i don't plan on overclocking.
Microcenter only has Z87 so that's why I picked the ASRock PRO4 Z87. Its cheap but that's about all i know about this MoBo which is where i would like to get more information. Is it fair to say that the PRO4 Z77's review would transfer over to the Z87?

One thing that has me shitting my pants is the fact that the reviews on newegg for the z77 say every once in a while that the mobo doesnt even last one year, and if im about to make one of my first purchase of this magnitude i dont want it to fail so quickly.
But one thing that gives me hope is that i believe in the back of my mind that these post are by newegg employees smurfing and creating bad review intentionally to try and get people to dishout a few more bucks so that they can make more money.

Im now hearing that Haswell wont work well with older PSUs? is there any validity to that?
http://www.tomshardware.com/news/Intel-Haswell-PSU-Power-State,22320.html
if so would this PSU compensate? http://www.microcenter.com/product/365238/TR2_Series_600_Watt_ATX_Power_Supply
Or is this also a ploy to try and make some more money?

No you don't need to overclock in order to play or stream though overclocking does help.

Take Newegg reviews with a grain of salt unless there's an abundance of negative reviews for a product. Yes, components have a chance to fail. It sucks but that's just how it is due to the manufacturing process and humanity. That's why there are warranties. Most companies such as ASUS, Intel, MSI, Gigabyte all provide a three year warranty.

Not having a Haswell compatible power supply just means that you won't be able to take advantage of the new low power states which quite frankly doesn't matter for a desktop. And a Thermaltake TR2 is terrible, if you even have the slightest care for your money, you wouldn't purchase that piece of shit. Plus, 600w is extremely unnecessary if you are running a non overclocked configuration with a single GPU.

Whats so bad about Thermaltake TR2?
what about this http://www.microcenter.com/product/367693/Gold_Series_ILG-500-2_500_Watt_ATX_Power_Supply

Not sure what the difference is between these two, can anyone help me out.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139049
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026

And I wasnt able to make it out to microcenter again today so i guess its next Saturday.

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