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On June 02 2013 16:06 Emnjay808 wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 16:03 skyR wrote:On June 02 2013 15:58 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Im gonna build my own computer, for the first time, completely from scratch.
My old computer is starting to break down on me, but I know that I can still salvage the PSU (Corsair 500W) and the 1TB HDD, since they were the ones I had put in recently.
Besides the PSU and the HDD, what else do I need to make a completely new functioning computer. Off the top of my head I would need a mobo, processor, gfx, ram, and a case with fans. With that said I was thinking of getting a i5-2500 for the processor and a gtx 560ti for the graphics card. Whats a good mobo to compliment those two. And a case and ram too.
Basically, all I know is that I want to build a computer around a i5 2500 and a 560ti. What else would you guys recommend to go with the rest of the computer. Why do you want to build around a core i5 2500 and a GTX 560 Ti? While these are still very good by today's standards, they're old so unless you are purchasing used components or getting them for free, it'd be rather stupid to purchase them at their typical brand new pricing for a new build. Im not very computer literate. I thought those were okay for todays standards. I have a budget of around 750. Given that I already have a PSU and HDD. What build would you recommend me getting that would be better than a i5 and 560ti.
Well they are okay but its been almost three years since their release, they're no longer manufactured so it'll be next to impossible to find them brand new at a competitive price with the newer GPUs and CPUs. Companies don't just sit around and pick their nose, they continue R&D and release new things every so often.
It's hard to recommend a build when you don't tell us what you're going to be doing and what resolution you'll be using.
A Radeon HD7870 or GTX 660 are both significantly better than a GTX 560 Ti at the same price point that the GTX 560 Ti was at during its life cycle.
A Core i5 3570, 4570, or 4670 are all better and around the same price point as the 2500.
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Hi, I consulted this thread to build my first desktop nearly two years ago and I'm not sure if this is where I should ask but I'd like recommendations on upgrades (or maybe I just need tips on maintenance?)
Here's my current specs:
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CPU: i5-2500k
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
HD: some 1TB SATA HD
CASE: COOLER MASTER Elite Black Mid Tower Computer Case
Optical Drive: LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Motherboard: MSI P67A-C43
GPU: GTX 460 ZOTAC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) ZT-40408-10P Video Card
I don't have an SSD or sound card
My main concern is the GPU (or I believe it is. I may be wrong.) For the last month or two, my screen has been freezing or been having awkward hiccups/lag (yea I know I'm being rather generic but not sure how to describe it. some sort of frame skip I guess?) that are not due to any faults with my internet. This would occur rather randomly and not necessarily when the computer is engaged in some graphics intensive activity at all. Usually I would be forced to reset the computer but sometimes it would give me a message with something about how my graphics card is failing or not performing well (thx my shoddy memory). This occurred once or twice before and I'd find that I accumulated more dust in the GPU fan than I care to admit. After spraying a bit with the air can, things seemed to work fine. But nowadays, dust accumulation isn't the problem and it has been occurring more frequently. I fear for the life of my GPU T_T
Another thing that would be secondary to my GPU worries would be looking for an SSD (not to replace my HD) b/c I think it'd be nicer to have faster boot time.
Also, I've used more space on my HD than I anticipated and I have just over 300 GB left. This might be too early to consider but I don't really wanna be scrambling for HD space maybe a year or less from now and if I need a new GPU, I might as well kinda do it all together, I figure.
Would love to hear what you guys think on my listed concerns and possibly more that I haven't thought of.
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On June 02 2013 16:16 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 16:06 Emnjay808 wrote:On June 02 2013 16:03 skyR wrote:On June 02 2013 15:58 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Im gonna build my own computer, for the first time, completely from scratch.
My old computer is starting to break down on me, but I know that I can still salvage the PSU (Corsair 500W) and the 1TB HDD, since they were the ones I had put in recently.
Besides the PSU and the HDD, what else do I need to make a completely new functioning computer. Off the top of my head I would need a mobo, processor, gfx, ram, and a case with fans. With that said I was thinking of getting a i5-2500 for the processor and a gtx 560ti for the graphics card. Whats a good mobo to compliment those two. And a case and ram too.
Basically, all I know is that I want to build a computer around a i5 2500 and a 560ti. What else would you guys recommend to go with the rest of the computer. Why do you want to build around a core i5 2500 and a GTX 560 Ti? While these are still very good by today's standards, they're old so unless you are purchasing used components or getting them for free, it'd be rather stupid to purchase them at their typical brand new pricing for a new build. Im not very computer literate. I thought those were okay for todays standards. I have a budget of around 750. Given that I already have a PSU and HDD. What build would you recommend me getting that would be better than a i5 and 560ti. Well they are okay but its been almost three years since their release, they're no longer manufactured so it'll be next to impossible to find them brand new at a competitive price with the newer GPUs and CPUs. Companies don't just sit around and pick their nose, they continue R&D and release new things every so often. It's hard to recommend a build when you don't tell us what you're going to be doing and what resolution you'll be using. A Radeon HD7870 or GTX 660 are both significantly better than a GTX 560 Ti at the same price point that the GTX 560 Ti was at during its life cycle. A Core i5 3570, 4570, or 4670 are all better and around the same price point as the 2500.
Is resolution a really big deal. I mean, I like to play with 18.5 inch (1366 x 768). Wouldnt matter what build I go for if its a smaller resolution right.
Anyways, Ill get the GTX 660 and a i5 3570. What else would I need to complete the build, that would complement those two.
Im looking to just game with medium graphic settings. I mostly just play dota2 or csgo. On my current computer I was content with 55-60 fps on both games with medium settings. So my standards are really not too high, just w/e 750 can buy me.
Scratch that, Im looking to play Day Z standalone with good graphics and good fps. I remember playing the old Day Z with my current set up and it was pretty godawful. I think at best I would get 30fps, and when I entered cherno or elektro it would drop to 15 fps. I need something that would stay above 60fps at least when Im playing the new Day Z.
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On June 02 2013 16:17 Tachkilius wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi, I consulted this thread to build my first desktop nearly two years ago and I'm not sure if this is where I should ask but I'd like recommendations on upgrades (or maybe I just need tips on maintenance?) Here's my current specs: + Show Spoiler +
CPU: i5-2500k
RAM: G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
HD: some 1TB SATA HD
CASE: COOLER MASTER Elite Black Mid Tower Computer Case
Optical Drive: LITE-ON DVD Burner - Bulk Black SATA Model iHAS124-04 - OEM
PSU: Antec EarthWatts EA-650 GREEN 650W ATX12V v2.3 SLI Ready CrossFire Certified 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply
Motherboard: MSI P67A-C43
GPU: GTX 460
I don't have an SSD or sound card
My main concern is the GPU (or I believe it is. I may be wrong.) For the last month or two, my screen has been freezing or been having awkward hiccups/lag (yea I know I'm being rather generic but not sure how to describe it. some sort of frame skip I guess?) that are not due to any faults with my internet. This would occur rather randomly and not necessarily when the computer is engaged in some graphics intensive activity at all. Usually I would be forced to reset the computer but sometimes it would give me a message with something about how my graphics card is failing or not performing well (thx my shoddy memory). This occurred once or twice before and I'd find that I accumulated more dust in the GPU fan than I care to admit. After spraying a bit with the air can, things seemed to work fine. But nowadays, dust accumulation isn't the problem and it has been occurring more frequently. I fear for the life of my GPU T_T Another thing that would be secondary to my GPU worries would be looking for an SSD (not to replace my HD) b/c I think it'd be nicer to have faster boot time. Also, I've used more space on my HD than I anticipated and I have just over 300 GB left. This might be too early to consider but I don't really wanna be scrambling for HD space maybe a year or less from now and if I need a new GPU, I might as well kinda do it all together, I figure. Would love to hear what you guys think on my listed concerns and possibly more that I haven't thought of.
Stuttering can also be caused by a lack of memory.
Not sure which GTX 460 you have but you're probably still within warranty so you can just request an RMA if you think its a faulty GPU.
Have you checked out the temperature on your GPU (and CPU)?
If the GPU an overclocked edition or you overclocked it yourself. You may want to dial back the clocks a bit to see if that solves the issue.
Adding an SSD would definitely make a notable difference in system responsiveness. You can get a Samsung 840 120gb for under $100 or the 250gb variant for about $170.
On June 02 2013 16:21 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On June 02 2013 16:16 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On June 02 2013 16:06 Emnjay808 wrote:On June 02 2013 16:03 skyR wrote:On June 02 2013 15:58 Emnjay808 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Im gonna build my own computer, for the first time, completely from scratch.
My old computer is starting to break down on me, but I know that I can still salvage the PSU (Corsair 500W) and the 1TB HDD, since they were the ones I had put in recently.
Besides the PSU and the HDD, what else do I need to make a completely new functioning computer. Off the top of my head I would need a mobo, processor, gfx, ram, and a case with fans. With that said I was thinking of getting a i5-2500 for the processor and a gtx 560ti for the graphics card. Whats a good mobo to compliment those two. And a case and ram too.
Basically, all I know is that I want to build a computer around a i5 2500 and a 560ti. What else would you guys recommend to go with the rest of the computer. Why do you want to build around a core i5 2500 and a GTX 560 Ti? While these are still very good by today's standards, they're old so unless you are purchasing used components or getting them for free, it'd be rather stupid to purchase them at their typical brand new pricing for a new build. Im not very computer literate. I thought those were okay for todays standards. I have a budget of around 750. Given that I already have a PSU and HDD. What build would you recommend me getting that would be better than a i5 and 560ti. Well they are okay but its been almost three years since their release, they're no longer manufactured so it'll be next to impossible to find them brand new at a competitive price with the newer GPUs and CPUs. Companies don't just sit around and pick their nose, they continue R&D and release new things every so often. It's hard to recommend a build when you don't tell us what you're going to be doing and what resolution you'll be using. A Radeon HD7870 or GTX 660 are both significantly better than a GTX 560 Ti at the same price point that the GTX 560 Ti was at during its life cycle. A Core i5 3570, 4570, or 4670 are all better and around the same price point as the 2500. Is resolution a really big deal. I mean, I like to play with 18.5 inch (1366 x 768). Wouldnt matter what build I go for if its a smaller resolution right. Anyways, Ill get the GTX 660 and a i5 3570. What else would I need to complete the build, that would complement those two. Im looking to just game with medium graphic settings. I mostly just play dota2 or csgo. On my current computer I was content with 55-60 fps on both games with medium settings. So my standards are really not too high, just w/e 750 can buy me.
Yes resolution is a huge deal. There is a huge difference between roughly one million pixels (1366x768) and two million pixels (1080p). A GTX 660 would be a huge waste for such a low resolution. And the source engine is a very old engine so games like DotA 2 and CS:GO are not at all demanding even on max settings.
Something like a Radeon HD7770 or GTX 650 Ti which is around $130 would already be able to max out both the games at 1080p.
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On June 02 2013 16:39 skyR wrote:
Stuttering can also be caused by a lack of memory.
hard drive memory? I still have about 300 GB out of 1TB of free space as I said in my earlier post.
On June 02 2013 16:39 skyR wrote:
Not sure which GTX 460 you have but you're probably still within warranty so you can just request an RMA if you think its a faulty GPU.
My bad, it's the ZOTAC GeForce GTX 460 (Fermi) ZT-40408-10P Video Card. I also edited this info in for my earlier post. I know I bought it from Newegg.com - I probably should look into this more myself but do you know their return policies by any chance?
On June 02 2013 16:39 skyR wrote:
Have you checked out the temperature on your GPU (and CPU)?
If the GPU an overclocked edition or you overclocked it yourself. You may want to dial back the clocks a bit to see if that solves the issue.
I haven't but not sure how to check temperature. I guess I'll try to figure out from google (though it'd be nice if you could tell me here too). I never overclocked it either. I guess this comes pre-overclocked as I learned more recently :p
On June 02 2013 16:39 skyR wrote:
Adding an SSD would definitely make a notable difference in system responsiveness. You can get a Samsung 840 120gb for under $100 or the 250gb variant for about $170.
cool. I'll def check that out ^^
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I'm talking about RAM.
Retailers only offer a 30-day return unless you paid extra for extended coverage. Zotac carries a two year warranty and a three year warranty if you registered the product.
You can download MSI Afterburner to monitor GPU temperature and adjust clocks. Your model is pre-overclocked so it wouldn't hurt to try dialing down the clocks. Just remember the original value before you change stuff.
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I'd probably push it as far as I can if I get a good chip, although I'd be happy with I think 4.7 if I can manage it
That's like saying you'd be happy with 5ghz if you can manage it on ivy bridge. It doesn't look realistic (on any cooling) without a delid any more unless you got a 1-in-10+ CPU luck-wise. 90c for 1.2v with a h100i seems like a very real figure - good luck doing 4.7 on 1.2v with a random CPU.
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OCUK has haswell "in stock for immediate dispatch" btw
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On June 02 2013 20:36 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +I'd probably push it as far as I can if I get a good chip, although I'd be happy with I think 4.7 if I can manage it That's like saying you'd be happy with 5ghz if you can manage it on ivy bridge. It doesn't look realistic (on any cooling) without a delid any more unless you got a 1-in-10+ CPU luck-wise. 90c for 1.2v with a h100i seems like a very real figure - good luck doing 4.7 on 1.2v with a random CPU.
Hahaha ah well.  not sure exactly what I meant in retrospect, but I'll just see how far I can get my chip. Anandtech posted 4.7 on like 1.253 volts, although they didn't show temps. I guess I'd be hoping for at least something like that.
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I've seen 4.5 on 1.15v several times, but i've also seen 4.3 requiring 1.2 several times as well. It's hard to make an objective comparison on haswell vs ivy bridge heat - but while being only a bit hotter at stock, it seems CRAZY overclocked. I wouldn't be suprised if it had literally 40 degrees on sandy bridge for a 15% IPC gain. It feels really awful and kinda awesome at the same time; Seems like you can actually make bigger gains with delid and high end cooler without riding on chip-killing levels of voltage
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Microcenter has 4670k for $200 apparently, so probably worth it over the 3570k at $170. And the -$40 on a compatible MB.
What board should I be looking at with that?
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If i could answer you, i would. There's no obvious option, but as long as you don't get an awful one, anything z87 should be ok i think. I must do lots of research into best buy, but i am waiting for the flood of delid stats and reviews from competent people
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Options are:
MSI Z87-G41 for $260 total
Asus Z87-A for $310 total
AsRock Z87 Extreme4 for $320 total
Gigabyte Z87X-UD4H for $350 total
Asus Sabertooth Z87 for $420 total
Clearly not the Sabertooth, only the UD4H if you're a hardcore bencher, and probably not the Extreme4 considering that the Z87-A is cheaper and looks reasonable (maybe).
Last generation's G41 sucked, but this looks much different, at least by visual inspection. It's really about the things that nobody knows yet because nobody's bought it yet. If you're interested in (probably) more options for overclocking or running SLI / Crossfire, and that's worth $50 extra to you, then the Z87-A is for you. Otherwise, we're all guessing.
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Shame they don't have any MicroATX boards. Ah well, even with tax that should be a nice discount. And if you get a bad chip from Microcenter you could always take a shot at returning it and getting a new one.
How difficult is it to delid? I've never done something quite that complicated but I definitely respect/know how delicate I should be with a CPU. Is it not something you'd recommend to the kind of person who has to ask how to do it? XD
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On June 02 2013 23:32 Alryk wrote:
Shame they don't have any MicroATX boards. Ah well, even with tax that should be a nice discount. And if you get a bad chip from Microcenter you could always take a shot at returning it and getting a new one.
How difficult is it to delid? I've never done something quite that complicated but I definitely respect/know how delicate I should be with a CPU. Is it not something you'd recommend to the kind of person who has to ask how to do it? XD
Delidding honestly doesn't look to hard, but anytime your using a vice grip to hold your CPU in place it is a little concerning.
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How difficult is it to delid? I've never done something quite that complicated but I definitely respect/know how delicate I should be with a CPU
It seems foolproof. Clamp IHS in vice, hold wood block against CPU (though aparantly you want a certain type of wood) hit with hammer and the right amount of force a few times. Clean old thermal paste off, remove the glue creating a gap between IHS and die, apply a very thin coating of liquid ultra (the right amount, confirm online before doing it), replace IHS, done. You can be in and out, vice and everything, in two or three minutes and if you do it right you have a 25c temp drop
And by foolproof, i mean there's at least one vid on youtube of a guy with an unsecured vice, clearly shaking/moving quite a bit - who hits the cpu, and it literally flies across the room in a few frames of video. It was fine. I would be very embarrassed to somehow manage to break a CPU when it's been done hundreds of time with no reported failures last i checked.
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Maybe I'll give it a try then. Is there a particular thermal paste that is recommended if you are going to go about replacing it?
Edit: I assume the process for delidding a 4670k will be the same as for a 3570k? So I could follow a video of delidding a 3570k and be fine?
Double edit: The temjin ships only with the 180mm intake penetrator fan. Should I get an exhaust fan for it in the back, or is that not needed?
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It's important that you go for that "Liquid Ultra" as a replacement for the original thermal paste. If you use normal thermal paste, delidding does not make much sense as Intel's paste is actually very good. You will still get an improvement because the glue is missing. The glue created a gap between the IHS and the die for Ivy Bridge CPUs. Liquid Ultra (and Pro) is pure metal and not a normal paste so the physics should be similar to the solder that was used on Sandy Bridge for the IHS.
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Watch a ton of videos and read a ton about it before you do, for confidence and being exactly sure of what you are doing if nothing else. There's a delid thread on overclock.net that floods so fast with posts i gave up on reading it; It's got something silly like tens of thousands of posts of discussion, and hundreds or more before/after delid's, etc. Be careful of delidding haswell until more people have done it. It's probably identical but lets not be the test hamsters here (:
Also, put the CPU in the system first, always. Test temps, get a feel for overclocking it, make sure everything works. Also; even if delidding did not void your warranty (it does) i imagine it would be quite hilarious trying to explain to intel that you hit your cpu with a hammer.
So, i'm gonna buy haswell, hit it with a hammer a few times, and then put my gtx580 in the oven :D hopefully not get checked into a mental hospital by anybody observing and wondering wtf i am doing
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On June 02 2013 22:44 Myrmidon wrote:
Options are:
MSI Z87-G41 for $260 total
Asus Z87-A for $310 total
AsRock Z87 Extreme4 for $320 total
Gigabyte Z87X-UD4H for $350 total
Asus Sabertooth Z87 for $420 total
Clearly not the Sabertooth, only the UD4H if you're a hardcore bencher, and probably not the Extreme4 considering that the Z87-A is cheaper and looks reasonable (maybe).
Last generation's G41 sucked, but this looks much different, at least by visual inspection. It's really about the things that nobody knows yet because nobody's bought it yet. If you're interested in (probably) more options for overclocking or running SLI / Crossfire, and that's worth $50 extra to you, then the Z87-A is for you. Otherwise, we're all guessing.
Yah wish the G41 had a couple decent reviews out, its like cheaper than the 3570k combos, but I really don't know how much I trust it.
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