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My current build, i'm looking at:
i5 (£190) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-470-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=567
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i7 (£275) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-471-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=567
Samsung greens 8gb (god RAM) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-017-SA
No idea on board yet. The Asus z87-a is £120
NH-d14 or similar ~ £62 (or more for other)
Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra ~ £9
Any suggestions on cooling? I know NH-d14's not strictly the best air, but i never had reason to look super into high end air before now. Haswell heat shocked me; A delid and macho for £36 would get you to safe voltage limits on ivy (i wouldnt go far past 1.4v if i did go past it) but there's no way you can do that for haswell and it doesn't look like it'll die at 1.25, so i want things cool. Noise doesn't really concern me too much on CPU side but i don't think i can do something silly like a h220 with 4x nf-f12's etcetc, maybe, money permitting. Any good deals in the uk? What other high range cooling could i be looking at?
I was also thinking of selling my current stuff. i7 950 ran at ~1.27-1.32v for most of the last 2.5 years, gigabyte x58a-ud3r, 3x2gb corsair xms3 1600mhz cas9 1.65v, xigmatek dark knight. Any idea's what i could get for that in UK? I was thinking quite a lot; even a barebones haswell i5 build would cost you £192 for cpu + whatever the board and ram costs. Maybe £200 for i7+ram+mobo+cooler? Am i far too low/too high? Not really done this before
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On June 03 2013 00:24 Alryk wrote:
Double edit: The temjin ships only with the 180mm intake penetrator fan. Should I get an exhaust fan for it in the back, or is that not needed?
The front AP-180 is more than enough by itself. In fact, some would say the front fan low speed setting is a too loud (for idling computer) without voltage control. Anyway, the design doesn't really need an exhaust fan.
On June 03 2013 00:51 feanor1 wrote:
Yah wish the G41 had a couple decent reviews out, its like cheaper than the 3570k combos, but I really don't know how much I trust it.
Your job's to take one for the team, ofc. 
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Thermalright silver arrow £50 this week ocuk. Should i jump on one? This week only offer. Not sure if it starts today or ends today
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On June 03 2013 01:08 Cyro wrote:My current build, i'm looking at: i5 (£190) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-470-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=567/ i7 (£275) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=CP-471-IN&groupid=701&catid=6&subcat=567Samsung greens 8gb (god RAM) http://www.overclockers.co.uk/showproduct.php?prodid=MY-017-SANo idea on board yet. The Asus z87-a is £120 NH-d14 or similar ~ £62 (or more for other) Coollaboratory Liquid Ultra ~ £9 Any suggestions on cooling? I know NH-d14's not strictly the best air, but i never had reason to look super into high end air before now. Haswell heat shocked me; A delid and macho for £36 would get you to safe voltage limits on ivy (i wouldnt go far past 1.4v if i did go past it) but there's no way you can do that for haswell and it doesn't look like it'll die at 1.25, so i want things cool. Noise doesn't really concern me too much on CPU side but i don't think i can do something silly like a h220 with 4x nf-f12's etcetc, maybe, money permitting. Any good deals in the uk? What other high range cooling could i be looking at? I was also thinking of selling my current stuff. i7 950 ran at ~1.27-1.32v for most of the last 2.5 years, gigabyte x58a-ud3r, 3x2gb corsair xms3 1600mhz cas9 1.65v, xigmatek dark knight. Any idea's what i could get for that in UK? I was thinking quite a lot; even a barebones haswell i5 build would cost you £192 for cpu + whatever the board and ram costs. Maybe £200 for i7+ram+mobo+cooler? Am i far too low/too high? Not really done this before
Don't the NH-U series both perform better than the D14 for less? I know Anandtech got that result, although I think y'all have disputed Anandtech's methodology with fans before, heh.
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NH-U14s outperforming the twin tower NH-D14 and silver arrow? I'm looking into it but that seems odd to me
"This monster is the NH-U14S, which uses Noctua's special NF-A15 PWM fan. This is a 150mm fan designed to occupy the same space as a 140mm fan, but uses 120mm fan mounting."
god damn, time lord technology finally here
I removed every case fan but the front intake, which I ran at 5V to prevent it from affecting acoustics
This is a review that puts the 212 evo 1.4c away from the nh-d14. In a realistic load, 212+ can handle about ~1.25v on ivy and NH-d14 can handle ~1.4v - at times the 212+ is hitting 90c, the nh-d14 is in the high 60's or low 70's, so how can they possibly be compared like this? There's a reason people paid £70 instead of £25 for these things and it was not some silly 1.4c gap (if you want a 1.4c temp improvement... get better thermal paste)
Any review that puts the absolute max temperature of the 212 at "only" 70 degrees does not give any kind of justice to the coolers specifically designed to wreck it and keep an overclock good while it would not be possible on a 212 due to impossible amounts of heat. I also think it's unfair to compare like that, when any case of a high end overclocker will have at least what i have for example, in the 120/140mm front intake and back exhaust and something like a 200mm exhaust at top too, running at high speeds
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It's not that odd if you look at the amount of heat pipes and keep in mind the D14 is old. The newest Archon is also a beast like that new Noctua cooler. The coolers with two towers can still make better use of fans if you feel you need the very best air cooling and don't care about noise. They are also actually fitting easier in the case. The large single tower coolers can go over 170mm height.
EDIT: Just looked it up, both the Archon SB-E and Silver Arrow SB-E are same amount of heat pipes and use 750 g of metal overall. I feel the Silver Arrow should be better if I just look at the way it's built and making use of its two fans. The Archon makes sense if you want just one fan because of noise.
EDIT2: Same comparison with the two Noctua coolers, the D14 is 900g of metal and the U14S is 770g. Perhaps they learned something new about the base plate and heat pipes and things like that to make the newer cooler better than the D14 despite less weight and being single tower.
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I could very well be wrong since I don't keep super up to date on everything anyways, but I think I saw it on anandtech and at least one other review site. I'll look again when I'm home and see if I can find it.
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On June 03 2013 02:27 Cyro wrote:NH-U14s outperforming the twin tower NH-D14 and silver arrow? I'm looking into it but that seems odd to me "This monster is the NH-U14S, which uses Noctua's special NF-A15 PWM fan. This is a 150mm fan designed to occupy the same space as a 140mm fan, but uses 120mm fan mounting." god damn, time lord technology finally here Show nested quote +I removed every case fan but the front intake, which I ran at 5V to prevent it from affecting acoustics This is a review that puts the 212 evo 1.4c away from the nh-d14. In a realistic load, 212+ can handle about ~1.25v on ivy and NH-d14 can handle ~1.4v - at times the 212+ is hitting 90c, the nh-d14 is in the high 60's or low 70's, so how can they possibly be compared like this? There's a reason people paid £70 instead of £25 for these things and it was not some silly 1.4c gap (if you want a 1.4c temp improvement... get better thermal paste) Any review that puts the absolute max temperature of the 212 at "only" 70 degrees does not give any kind of justice to the coolers specifically designed to wreck it and keep an overclock good while it would not be possible on a 212 due to impossible amounts of heat. I also think it's unfair to compare like that, when any case of a high end overclocker will have at least what i have for example, in the 120/140mm front intake and back exhaust and something like a 200mm exhaust at top too, running at high speeds
Is there a reason you're using overclockers? Some of their stuff is a bit expensive.
Have you ever used Flubit? It's frickin' awesome. Get any product from within the UK, link it in their site, and within 48 hours they will find you a personalised, time-limited (48 hours) offer that's 5-10% better than the one you gave them. No tricks. No obligation to accept the offer. I had a chance to get a Dark Rock Pro 2 for 56 pounds, free delivery to Ireland the other day, I just stuck Amazon's best offer of 61 pounds into the site and got that deal.
65 pounds for RAM is a lot.
If you're not getting a case, but buying other components, even with shipping, Mindfactory has sick prices: http://www.mindfactory.de/Hardware/Prozessoren (CPU).html/1/890/11/18/12/20191
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Case: Silverstone Temjin TJ08-E
PSU: Seasonic G Series 550W
HDD: WD Blue 1 TB
CPU:i5-4670
GPU: Sapphire 7850 1GB
Mobo: ASUS B85-PLUS LGA 1150 Intel B85 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (99$)
Ram: Kingston HyperX Black 8GB 1600
Tweeked Alryk because im not Oc'ing thx for the template brah
Is this build correct, im trying to stream..
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@zSoloo
You're missing an optical drive if you want one. I think there is a ram sale on newegg right now, check newegg and you can probably save ~10-15$.
You also need a micro ATX motherboard to fit in that case, not ATX. Nothing else stands out to me.
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65 pounds for RAM is a lot.
It's insane RAM dude, i've seen a ton of reviews you have pretty much guaranteed massive overclocks on them.
Overclocking Features (Not Guaranteed)
- 1600MHz (7-8-8-24 1N) @ 1.40v
- 1866MHz (9-9-9-27 1N) @ 1.40v
- 2000MHz (9-10-10-28 1N) @ 1.45v
- 2133MHz (10-10-10-28 1N) @ 1.45v
- 2400MHz (11-11-11-28 2N) @ 1.50v
- In our own in house testing we were able to achieve all the above clock speeds on an Asus X79 platform with 4x4GB modules (16GB total) SuperPI Stable too, 32M
I could go looking around with all the fancy info like ic's and subtimings etc; but honestly i dont want to. I have heard nothing but great things about this RAM and it looks like a steal for £65
In regards to rest of post; no really specific reason. I had good service from them in the past, i can get everything there if i want to, even liquid ultra etc; They have the silver arrow for £50 etc. I was hoping to order literally tomorrow, rather not wait up to 48 hours after deciding on what parts i need/want and i would prefer not to order from a site i can't read, but if there's a significantly better option than I'll take it. Also; I don't know how importing and customs work, i have no idea. But i had to pay something in the realm of £25-30 when i got my mechanical keyboard from outside of the uk for customs, on top of shipping, and it was money that i literally didn't have at the time, which was quite annoying. I want to order from inside UK regardless. Thanks for the post
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No prob; it seems like you're on top of things with the RAM anyways.
You had to pay customs on a keyboard? That must have been from outside the EU, right? I'm pretty sure you can't get hit by Custom's within the EU.
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Chit good Look - Yea i got a IHAS i use to burn my Xbox games with so Got that covered.
New mobo: ASRock B85M Pro4 LGA 1150 Intel B85 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard 79$
Also i have a 1TB Laptop HD that i dont use, i can just use that insead of buying a internal HD, it has lower RPM but id be able to get a SSD so everything should even out? (its SATA so i should be able to use it just fine)
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US, but i paid like £60 on shipping and customs, basically more than the god damn keyboard cost; I was too stubborn to listen to those guys and buy from the german site, or another one
@above ninja post;
I think you can use it but i wouldn't expect much performance from a 2.5" 5400rpm drive
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Can I get a recommended build around a GTX 660 and a i5 3570 please. Thank you.
Budget is around 750.
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Any reason you want last gen cpu and socket? And why specifically the gtx660?
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And what else do you need? Monitor? Do you have an OS? D you have any older parts that can be used?
@ Cyro: Yeah, outside the EU you run the risk of getting stug by custom's. I'm working full-time nowadays an for the next 8 monta as part of college work experience, so I'll be investing about in a nice keyboard soon  I'm looking at this on Amazon, it comes recommended from people I know and is quite a cheap mechanical keyboard: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00C67C79C/ref=mp_s_a_1_5?qid=1370200680&sr=8-5&pi=SL75
How loud are brown switches compared to membrane keyboards? I don't want t annoy people
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Ah, looks like silver arrow doesn't even support socket 1150. I am surprised that nobody pointed this out :0
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On June 03 2013 04:08 Cyro wrote:
Any reason you want last gen cpu and socket? And why specifically the gtx660?
Because thats what was recommended to get for around the same price than a i5 2500 and a 560ti. Which was what I originally had in mind to buy.
Im open to a completely new build, as long as its around my budget range. Also please note, all parts I will buy will be from newegg since I am located in Hawaii.
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