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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On June 03 2013 04:19 Cyro wrote: Ah, looks like silver arrow doesn't even support socket 1150. I am surprised that nobody pointed this out :0 If you find out something more about this new socket and old cooler mounting kits, please tell. | ||
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zSoloo
50 Posts
Case: SilverStone Temjin Series TJ08B PSU: SeaSonic G Series SSR-550RM 550W ATX12V HDD: Western Digital Caviar Blue 1TB CPU:Intel Core i5-4670 Haswell 3.4GHz LGA GPU: Sapphire 7850 1GB Mobo: ASUS B85-PLUS LGA 1150 Intel B85 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard (99$) Ram: Crucial Ballistix 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) DVD Drive: LITE-ON DVD Burner 795$ +/- (Add extra 99$ for SSD) Thanks for all the help everyone | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On June 03 2013 04:19 Cyro wrote: Ah, looks like silver arrow doesn't even support socket 1150. I am surprised that nobody pointed this out :0 Searching around, people all seem to think everything that worked on LGA1155 still works on LGA1150, mounting holes and socket are in the same positions and have the same size and height. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
Due to the spacing of the mounting holes being identical on LGA1150, LGA1155 and LGA1156, Noctua's previous SecuFirm2™ mounting systems for LGA115x also support Intel's upcoming 'Haswell' platform. The following Noctua coolers already include SecuFirm2™ mounting systems for LGA115x and can thus be used on LGA1150 mainboards without any upgrades or modifications: NH-C14, NH-D14, NH-C12P SE14, NH-L12, NH-L9i, NH-U12P SE2, NH-U9B SE2. | ||
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S3ph
Germany76 Posts
Im a total noob, so dont go too harsh on me.  What is your budget? Actually, Ive got a birthday gift of 2000 Euros for PC issues, but I never plan to use them all. LOL... So my budget is around 1000 Euros. Might be slighly more, because of dual monitor wish. What is your resolution? 1920x1080. In plan, because I don't have sutable monitor(s) yet. What are you using it for? Would be nice to play modern games like Crysis 3, Far cry 3, Sc2 Hots, etc - on max with decent fps. Other than that - a simple typewriter and Internet. No streaming or 3d-Max'ing or video rendering. What is your upgrade cycle? I would say 4-5 years. So yeah, I need decent stuff from the start. When do you plan on building it? June-July 2013. Do you plan on overclocking? Though I have read articles and saw videos how to make it, Im just a bloody noob. Plus, I dont have time to run Prime95 for 24 hours without BSOD. So OC'ing other than muliplier - no. Do you need an Operating System? Yes. Windows 7 Extreme (Home edition? Somebody?) Windows 8? NO! Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? Im planning to use only 1 grafik card. A decent one. So SLI - no. Where are you buying your parts from? hoh.de or notebooksbilliger.de or drivecity.de or compuland.de. I'd rather avoid buying stuff from mindfactory or hardwareversand. | ||
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Gumbi
Ireland463 Posts
On June 03 2013 05:01 Cyro wrote: But i specifically remember Noctua saying they were mailing out free 1150 mounting brackets or something like that. Are you sure it would work? Might have to shell out £13 extra for the nh-d14, or look for another deal Can I not temp you with a Dark Rock Pro 2 for 56 pounds through Flubit?  In any case, I've heard that Noctua do in fact supply free mounting brackets for the different sockets if you need them. @ above, why would you like to avoid buying from probably the two most competetively priced computer component sites in the EU? | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
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feanor1
United States1899 Posts
It ended up being $130 or so vs $100 for the Pro and $150 for the Extreme4. This is the part where you tell me I screwed up. Looking to do some light overclocking. Also where is the best deal on RAM atm?(Need a 8GB kit, I prefer 2x4gb) | ||
ZeromuS
Canada13379 Posts
On May 28 2013 06:15 skyR wrote: Best Buy is the worst place you can buy a computer from, their shit is overpriced and their selection sucks. You want to be looking at NCIX, Memory Express, Newegg, and Canada Computers if you're looking for sales. NCIX has sales every week, starting on Wednesday night and also daily deals. Newegg has daily deals. The rest of the retailers also have their sales as well. You can buy parts as they go on sale if you wish but you would need knowledge to do this and some self control to not overspend. Canadian retailers also offer pricematching. Memory Express offers a 25% price beat so if you find a shellshocker deal on Newegg, you can pricematch it with Memory Express to get it for less. For $800, you're looking at something like this.
Taking the higher pricing of everything, this comes to ~$840. If you're going to need more space than you can select any appropriately sized HDD, a 1TB Western Digital Green is typically $70. Note that this configuration can't be overclocked. If you want to overclock than that requires a Z87 motherboard, a K suffix processor (eg. core i5 4670k), and an aftermarket heatsink. Which of course is going to be add to the price. If you are going to work at Best Buy than you may qualify for Intel's Retail Edge (Intel's discount program for retail employees). This summer, they have the 3770k for $60 (which retails for $330). But I guess if you're purchasing in the Fall than you won't be able to participate in this since it only happens during the Summertime and around Christmas time. NCIX also offers assembly if you are too lazy to do it but of course you need to purchase all the components from them in one purchase: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=7842 So I've been looking online and I think I've found the components at decent prices anything I should change on these items to order? Video Card: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_1200_557_559&item_id=053205 (sale) CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 (sale) Motherboard: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130703 Power Supply: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 (sale) RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233379 (sale) DVD Drive: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&item_id=054962 (sale) HDD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 765.11 after taxes and shipping (then 745.11 after mail in rebate) Is this alright? I am really happy with the price and might be grabbing the stuff thats on sale and waiting on the regular price items for a good deal. Though If I order over 300$ on newegg, I get 30 dollars off so thats nice as well. Though the only things not on sale are the CPU/Motherboard and HDD and I dont know if they will be on sale anytime soon since they are so new. For an extra 40 dollars I can also get the 650ti Boost edition, is it worth the extra 40 dollars? But that point, whats another 20 dollars for a 660? So I guess I should be asking between the 650 (130), 650 boost (170) and the 660 (195) which is the best bang for the buck? If the 660 gives me 4 years for example but the 650 gives me 2, I would rather spend the extra 80 now and save 200 later. But if the 660 means I need a new PSU or something else that will bring the cost up more than just the GPU price, then I don't think its worth it. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On June 03 2013 06:32 feanor1 wrote: So I ended up going with ASRock Z87 Extreme3 over the Z87 Extreme4 and the ASRock Z87M PRO3 It ended up being $130 or so vs $100 for the Pro and $150 for the Extreme4. This is the part where you tell me I screwed up. Looking to do some light overclocking. Also where is the best deal on RAM atm?(Need a 8GB kit, I prefer 2x4gb) Crucial 8GB for 50$: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820148543 Probably the best you'll get. Edit: @ Zeromus, a GTX 650 at 130$ is really bad in the US. Canadian prices are a bit higher but that's still probably awful. I didn't look at all of your build though, somebody else can probably give you better advice for canada. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On June 03 2013 07:01 ZeromuS wrote:+ Show Spoiler + On May 28 2013 06:15 skyR wrote: Best Buy is the worst place you can buy a computer from, their shit is overpriced and their selection sucks. You want to be looking at NCIX, Memory Express, Newegg, and Canada Computers if you're looking for sales. NCIX has sales every week, starting on Wednesday night and also daily deals. Newegg has daily deals. The rest of the retailers also have their sales as well. You can buy parts as they go on sale if you wish but you would need knowledge to do this and some self control to not overspend. Canadian retailers also offer pricematching. Memory Express offers a 25% price beat so if you find a shellshocker deal on Newegg, you can pricematch it with Memory Express to get it for less. For $800, you're looking at something like this.
Taking the higher pricing of everything, this comes to ~$840. If you're going to need more space than you can select any appropriately sized HDD, a 1TB Western Digital Green is typically $70. Note that this configuration can't be overclocked. If you want to overclock than that requires a Z87 motherboard, a K suffix processor (eg. core i5 4670k), and an aftermarket heatsink. Which of course is going to be add to the price. If you are going to work at Best Buy than you may qualify for Intel's Retail Edge (Intel's discount program for retail employees). This summer, they have the 3770k for $60 (which retails for $330). But I guess if you're purchasing in the Fall than you won't be able to participate in this since it only happens during the Summertime and around Christmas time. NCIX also offers assembly if you are too lazy to do it but of course you need to purchase all the components from them in one purchase: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=7842 So I've been looking online and I think I've found the components at decent prices anything I should change on these items to order? Video Card: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=43_1200_557_559&item_id=053205 (sale) CPU: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116898 Case: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 (sale) Motherboard: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130703 Power Supply: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139026 (sale) RAM: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233379 (sale) DVD Drive: http://www.canadacomputers.com/product_info.php?cPath=3_61&item_id=054962 (sale) HDD: http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822236339 765.11 after taxes and shipping (then 745.11 after mail in rebate) Is this alright? I am really happy with the price and might be grabbing the stuff thats on sale and waiting on the regular price items for a good deal. Though If I order over 300$ on newegg, I get 30 dollars off so thats nice as well. Though the only things not on sale are the CPU/Motherboard and HDD and I dont know if they will be on sale anytime soon since they are so new. For an extra 40 dollars I can also get the 650ti Boost edition, is it worth the extra 40 dollars? But that point, whats another 20 dollars for a 660? So I guess I should be asking between the 650 (130), 650 boost (170) and the 660 (195) which is the best bang for the buck? If the 660 gives me 4 years for example but the 650 gives me 2, I would rather spend the extra 80 now and save 200 later. But if the 660 means I need a new PSU or something else that will bring the cost up more than just the GPU price, then I don't think its worth it. Newegg isn't particularly a good place to buy besides their sales since their shipping is relatively expensive and they don't offer pricematching. A GTX 650 for $130 is a huge ripoff, GTX 650 is about $100. Suffixes in computer components or anything for that matter do matter... a lot. A GTX 650 is not remotely the same in performance as a GTX 650 Ti. At this price, you should be getting a GTX 650 Ti: http://www.ncix.ca/products/?sku=78422&promoid=1322 Memory Express is sold out on this otherwise I'd tell you to get this there so you can get everything in one order. Get the memory from NCIX for $5 less: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=82158&promoid=1322 If you want to stick to Corsair, you can also find them at the same price probably at NCIX or Memory Express. Your current selection of a 4670 + B75 equates to $300 is... how do i put this? Not that great. I'd consider looking into overclocking and taking a core i5 3570k and a Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H for $340 over it: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77XUD3H or even with the Z77-HD4 for $300: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_3570K_Z77HD4 Even if you don't think you're going to overclock right now, I'd still take the latter bundle over the 4670 + B75. An aftermarket heatsink is strongly recommended for overclocking, something like the Coolermaster Hyper 212 EVO, pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/237385/COOLERMASTER/RR_212E_20PK_R2/ for $ 27.69: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX36377 You can also add this later if you're short on finances or unsure about overclocking. Pricematch the CX430 from NCIX ( http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=76034&promoid=1322 )with Memory Express to get it for $43.74: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX41857 The same for the HDD, pricematch with http://ncix.com/products/?sku=74462&promoid=1322 , for $67.49: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX40551 Memory, same price: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX33234 For case, I'd suggest the Fractal Design Arc Midi R2, pricematch with NCIX ( http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=78227&promoid=1322 ) to get it for $82.49: http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/MX44356 Of course this may bring up the total, you're free to select another case thats less expensive or suits your tastes better. Pricematch with http://www.bestdirect.ca/products/245882/SH-224BBBEBE/Samsung/ for $15.40: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=76258&promoid=1322 $5 flat shipping for Memory Express as opposed to god knows how much from Newegg. And NCIX is also offering $5 shipping this week. | ||
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Tachkilius
United States55 Posts
On June 02 2013 17:44 skyR wrote: I'm talking about RAM. Retailers only offer a 30-day return unless you paid extra for extended coverage. Zotac carries a two year warranty and a three year warranty if you registered the product. You can download MSI Afterburner to monitor GPU temperature and adjust clocks. Your model is pre-overclocked so it wouldn't hurt to try dialing down the clocks. Just remember the original value before you change stuff. well when I open resource monitor this is what I find on my RAM: + Show Spoiler + Out of 4067MB - Hard ware Reserved 29MB - In use ~2700-2900MB - Modified ~60-150MB - Standby ~1100MB - free ~10-50MB I also find that Hard faults/sec can get rather high (it probably has <10 on average but has spikes that shoots past 100 for few seconds to nearly a minute at a time. As for the GPU, I downloaded MSI Afterburner and since I'm not sure how to interpret the data here, I'll just list some of the numbers: + Show Spoiler + GPU Temp: Min-72C Max-75C cruising at 74-75 most of the time GPU Usage: Min-46% Max-77% fluctuating between 65 and 72 mostly Fan speed: steady at 55% Core Clock: steady at 720 MHz Memory Clock: at 1804 MHz | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
GPU Temp: Min-72C Max-75C cruising at 74-75 most of the time That's incredibly hot for idle | ||
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Tachkilius
United States55 Posts
Well, k these numbers are what I read off when I had firefox, a game where I'm idling in the menus, steam, and few folders that contain some of my most used programs all open at the same time | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
http://us.hardware.info/news/35295/haswell-has-usb-30-issues-with-14-out-of-22-tested-usb-drives usb isn't broken, you can access your files, though it may be hassle for those with external hard drives hooked upto their computers most of the time. | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
On June 03 2013 08:15 Tachkilius wrote: well when I open resource monitor this is what I find on my RAM: + Show Spoiler + Out of 4067MB - Hard ware Reserved 29MB - In use ~2700-2900MB - Modified ~60-150MB - Standby ~1100MB - free ~10-50MB I also find that Hard faults/sec can get rather high (it probably has <10 on average but has spikes that shoots past 100 for few seconds to nearly a minute at a time. As for the GPU, I downloaded MSI Afterburner and since I'm not sure how to interpret the data here, I'll just list some of the numbers: + Show Spoiler + GPU Temp: Min-72C Max-75C cruising at 74-75 most of the time GPU Usage: Min-46% Max-77% fluctuating between 65 and 72 mostly Fan speed: steady at 55% Core Clock: steady at 720 MHz Memory Clock: at 1804 MHz Please ignore that thing about "hard faults/sec". That's something completely different and about how the OS and programs work nowadays. + Show Spoiler + Unimportant explanation: In the past it was about physical memory running out and the OS starting to use the hard drive as an extension. Today, programs can do neat stuff (neat for programmers) like saying they want to have a part of memory match the contents of a file. One hard fault is one new snippet of the file being loaded from disk. It's called hard fault because the CPU stopped the program and notified the OS. I don't know about your GPU temperature. Is that on the desktop or in games? My GPU is pretty cold on the desktop, below 40 C. In games it can go up to 80 C. If you checked with a game running, it's fine. GPU temperature at the moment is 38 C for example, I watch the WCS AM 1080p stream in Google Chrome and type this in Firefox. | ||
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Cyro
United Kingdom20275 Posts
I don't know what all the fuss about with temps is. I'm using an h100 with a 4670k @ 4.5GHz 1.25v and getting 67c or so. Well, there's data showing some people running h100/i as much as 35c hotter than other people, on the same clock speeds and voltages, i saw several reports of extreme temps from people that i would really trust; but there's posts now suggesting it's entirely wrong, or something weird is going on. Any explanation for temp gap? | ||
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Ropid
Germany3557 Posts
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On June 03 2013 08:47 Ropid wrote: Did you see that .pdf from Asus about overclocking Haswell? They mentioned some sort of adaptive voltage that may increase voltage a lot when the AVX part of the CPU gets used. An example was something like 1.2 V being used normally but the voltage shooting up to 1.35 V when something like prime95 does its stuff. That could explain something surprising happening with the temperature. What is AVX used for? Is that the bit that was improved with Haswell that led to much better performance vs Ivy bridge in some applications? (I think it was AVX2 or something?) | ||
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