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This RAM is cheaper and faster: http://www.mindfactory.de/product_info.php/info/p794504_8GB-Crucial-Ballistix-Sport-DDR3-1600-DIMM-CL9-Dual-Kit.html
The Extreme4 is not good for its price. The most worrying reports I've seen is the board being thin and flexing enough to cause problems mounting the CPU cooler. For that price, I'd choose the Gigabyte Z77X-D3H. I feel I don't know enough about that 96 € Asus board, but it might be a good choice.
The GPU is definitely overkill for SC2. You can go down to 650 Ti for SC2. The 650 Ti will struggle with antialiasing at 1920x1080, I think (the AA you force on from outside the game, not the AA option that's inside SC2). No idea about Skyrim.
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okay, gonna go for the gigabyte motherboard and change the ram, thanks. ve to think bout the gpu
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7870 is a better deal since its pretty much equivalent to the 660Ti, which is overpriced.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
I'd take the d3h too if you're targetting a high OC (macho can take ~1.35v approx max without delid, 1.45 with - but if you cant build a pc, i seriously doubt you are looking to delid)
If no high OC, can cheap out on the board and get a 212+
Actually, on second thought, seriously, macho for 36 euro, hard to say no to that regardless of how high you want to push OC.
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That particular choice of cooler is also very good because of its large and slow fan, fitting very well into this PC that's intended to be quiet.
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Hi  Ive been playing Starcraft for the past couple years on my laptop, but I've been suffering FPS drops and overheating problems pretty much the whole time. Im pretty fed up with the situation, and am looking for a new rig. I am interested in building, but Im totally clueless when it comes to this stuff haha.
When I first started looking into building, I was pretty intimidated. I looked up some pre-built systems and the ibuypower revolt caught my eye just because mlg used it, and it looks easy to transport/sturdy. If the price between what I would be building and the revolt are similar I might just end up buying the revolt (unless someone has a better suggestion). I have some questions about this option too, but I will wait until somebody assesses my post to ask.
What is your budget?
Im hoping to spend around 500, but can go up to 900.
What is your resolution?
1900x1080? Thats what Im using now, but I will be most likely be needing a new monitor. Not exactly sure about this one haha. Im not including the monitor in the budget because I can wait on that.
What are you using it for?
Pretty much just starcraft. I want to play it on max settings without FPS drops. Possibly streaming, and also watching streams. I also want to have a dual monitor set up, but I don't know if that will really affect anything since I've never done it. I would also like the tower to be sturdy and portable so I could take it places fairly easily. I was interested in FSS towers(like the revolt's), but I heard they are harder to build with.
What is your upgrade cycle?
Probably 2-2+ years. Im not really interested in any other games besides Sc2, so I don't think ill need to upgrade often if Im getting the performance I want. I would definitely like the option to upgrade though. I would have never bought my laptop if I had known how many obstacles to upgrading the have :p
When do you plan on building it?
Hopefully throughout this summer. If I build I will be treating it as a hobby so no sense of urgency
Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't think I am. If you think I need to Ill look into it though.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I don't know anything about this. I just looked it up, but I'm still a little lost.
Where are you buying your parts from?
I looked up the closest microcenter and it's about 2 hours away. I would be willing to make the trip, or just order online.
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What's so bad about the Pro 3? I hear that all the time on this forum. The only remotely objective thing I've heard is that it under-reports voltages. All I can say is, the dynamic overclocking in it is better than the dynamic clocking in my D3H (the manual setting on the D3H is good, but I need to use a dynamic one the chip under-volts properly, the dynamic volting makes my peak voltage a bit higher to be stable, moreso that the dynamic volting in the Pro 3). Now, that's anecdotal, I admit. I could well have my story wrong.
In any case, the Pro 3 is by far the cheapest overclocking i5 board, at 75 euro on Mindfactory a lot of the time. That's a heck of a lot cheaper than other options. Like I said, the only serious issue I've heard is the voltage reporting, which I wouldn't consider all that bad considering a board like that wouldn't be de for extreme overclocking (maybe 4.4 ghz?), in which case the alleged under-reporting doesn't seem so bad.
I've said it before about Belial, who throws around the word "terrible" and "shitty" way too easily IMO. I think the same is being done here. I'd like to hear some more opinions in this anyways. Thanks.
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Well it was Belial who started the every board is shit and the ud3h is the best trend
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Hehe. He does it with other stuff too. He knows I'm not bashing on him. I've said it before. He has been very helpful to me in the past, I just dislike his style of posting sometimes . He called the hyper 212 one of the worst coolers at one point. I told him I was very happy with mine, 4.6 ghz at 1.285v, max 70 while gaming and cost me 22 euro new 2 and a half years ago. Can't ask for more than that really.
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If that 100-200 MHz extra overclock (note VRM controller, low phase count, mid-grade components), or a little bit of stiffness, or more accurate voltage readings (though on Pro3 it's not supposed to be that bad), etc. are important to you, then you can spend more and get... something better.
I'm still of the opinion that most users asking questions don't need those kinds of extras. If you want to optimize overclocks or are otherwise an enthusiast or have the money, then sure. Otherwise, it's fine.
The kinda weird thing to me is how he got ~4.6 GHz or whatever on an MSI Z77A-G41, and that obviously is at a disadvantage with the even worse MOSFETs and no heatsink. I guess if you really value that last few hundred MHz at the expense of a whole lot more power consumption, noise, and cooling and board costs, that's your opinion. Or no wait, he considered G41 reasonable because it's "$25" or whatever on some Microcenter bundle sale—but otherwise it's in a similar price as something like Pro3.
As with all advice, you just need to parse and correctly determine the angle that somebody's considering. There's often a lot to be learned, or at least a different perspective to consider.
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Yeah, that's a fair opinion. I think, with regard to that board, Belial modded it with custom heatsinks etc . Belial knows what he's talking, but communicates with misleading language sometimes, IMHO. But I don't want to talk about that much, is was just a side point to my standing up for the Pro 3 a bit. 
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I actually don't think there's anything bad about the reporting of voltage being off. This simply does not change anything about overclocking in practice. You will decide by looking at CPU temperature at what point to give up. It's impossible to get to very high voltage with normal cooling, so I don't see what could go wrong. What exactly the voltage numbers are does not have to matter to you.
My cheap ASRock throttled my CPU. About 1.2 V was its limit. The board itself was overheating. That's my actual gripe about cheap ASRock. I though I might get problems with it in the summer. As I was desperately browsing around trying to find out what I did wrong, I also stumbled about old discussions with people reporting their ASRock ITX boards would disable Turbo on their CPU sometimes. That was exactly my problem, and ASRock seemed to already have it years ago.
That the board limited itself because of heat made me worry about the future. I chose to overclock a good amount because performance wise I want this CPU+board to stay comparable to current stuff as long as possible. Other boards staying cooler seems better if I want to keep this PC around for 5 years or something.
Like I mentioned, I think I read that the Pro 3 used different chips that won't get as hot as what I've seen personally. ASRock started buying different parts for the later Z77 boards. The Pro 3 might actually be fine and it has a very good price.
About the Extreme 4, there was this review: http://www.hardocp.com/article/2013/02/06/asrock_z77_extreme4_lga_1155_motherboard_review/6
There's this photo showing the problems the reviewer had with mounting the cooler. He deduced that this happened because the board is thin and flexes too much. That's why I don't see the point in buying the Extreme 4 as there are alternatives at its high price. It also uses the same suspicious parts for supplying power to the CPU, though it does use more of them meaning the whole voltage regulation area stays cooler and won't be a limitation.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
Dont measure overclocks by clock speed when talking about the board and heatsink.. vcore matters a lot more
Out of the 8 or so chips i have had decent info on, 6 of them couldn't do 4.6 on 1.3v, one does 4.8 and the other does 5.05.
I'd go so far as to say temps and power draw on 5ghz 1.3v could even be better than 4.6 1.35v, likewise a good 4.5-4.6ghz would be less stressful on the motherboard than an awful 4.2
I actually don't think there's anything bad about the reporting of voltage being off. This simply does not change anything about overclocking in practice
My understanding with most of the asrock z77 boards is as you said, for low end oc, many of the cheaper boards are stuck at lower voltages like 1.2v due to vrm's overheating etc - and at the high end the voltage issues make them a joke because of the extent of the gap in reporting (1.5v set, 1.63v under intelburntest - nobody can say that's not relevant and it definately makes the jump from "reasonably kind of safe" to "destroy cpu very quickly") it's just silly to get a higher end asrock z77 board when there are other options
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I wish there were a reliable compendium of 3570k overclocks. I can throw something right back at you and have info on 4 chips at 4.5/4.6ghz all on 1.3v or just below (3 of the chips are those of someone I know). All were cooled sufficiently by a Hyper 212.
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
Well your idea of sufficiently cooled was >90c peaks on 16c ambients or something like that at 1.285v IIRC :D
It's not something i would do. The macho for example has 0.1v or so on the 212
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United Kingdom20326 Posts
What's this i hear about 770 releasing at $399?
Boom.
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Hahahaha. Like I already explained, 90 degree ceilings in IBT doesn't worry me . 70 max in gaming doesn't stress the fan overly so, and is drowned by my GPU by that stage, so why should I worry  I'm being slightly hypocritical right now as I'm in the process of rigging up old gear for sale in order to fund the cost of some better parts - a cooler being one of them HAHA.
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Thoughts on these parts? Hoping to buy them tomorrow...
Power Supply Seasonic G 550W (SSR-550M) (It's slightly smaller than the capstone, and still well reviewed while being about the same price. The 450W version wasn't any less expensive).
GPU: Open XFX 7850 or Blower XFX 7850 or is there a better option out right now for only playing SC2? I don't think there are any GPU sales out right now except for NCIX's on that one for this price range.
Case: Silverstone Temjin TJ08-E (Off Amazon because of Prime)
HDD: WD 500GB 7200RPM
The cheapest ODD out there right now?
I have 8GB of Ram and a Samsung 840 already. Motherboard and CPU will be next week, any thoughts on this?
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Anyone know a lot about pricing trends? Apparently the 3770k is available for $229 at micro center so I could go pick one up. From my very limited knowledge, that seems like a great deal. However I feel like the imminent Haswell introduction could cause prices to go down across the board for the current line of CPUs. Can anyone provide some guidance here?
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On May 31 2013 07:54 Antoine wrote:
Anyone know a lot about pricing trends? Apparently the 3770k is available for $229 at micro center so I could go pick one up. From my very limited knowledge, that seems like a great deal. However I feel like the imminent Haswell introduction could cause prices to go down across the board for the current line of CPUs. Can anyone provide some guidance here?
Microcenter always sells processors at below MSRP.
Intel doesn't lower their pricing on processors that go end of life.
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