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On May 31 2013 07:01 Gumbi wrote:Hahahaha. Like I already explained, 90 degree ceilings in IBT doesn't worry me  . 70 max in gaming doesn't stress the fan overly so, and is drowned by my GPU by that stage, so why should I worry  I'm being slightly hypocritical right now as I'm in the process of rigging up old gear for sale in order to fund the cost of some better parts - a cooler being one of them HAHA.
I just mean, by a lot of "elite" peoples standards, it's a bad overclock, too hot, whatever. You're pushing things to edge of limit on the understanding that you won't be fully loading the CPU, pretty much. If you state by gaming temps, nhd14 can do 1.5v undelidded, but it's extremely silly to do so, really for an extended tested OC on ivy, i would be uncomfortable with temp absolute maxes (in 24 hour+ tests) higher than ~86-88c or so. Maybe 90 if it was just an absolute max. To achieve this at the highest non-dangerous voltages for reasonable use, you need both a delid (close to 25c temp drop if you do it right) and (depending how far you are pushing voltages) something like a macho or an nhd14/h100i or better. 10 runs IBT and get 90 and then shrug it off for gaming (you'd be suprised how many people do this) is a no for me, and people over/understate coolers potentials or test badly all of the time; I think it's pretty accurate to say the macho has ~0.1v on the 212, temperature wise
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On May 31 2013 07:54 Antoine wrote:
However I feel like the imminent Haswell introduction could cause prices to go down across the board for the current line of CPUs.
That's not how it goes anymore. Businesses seem to be very good at not buying more than they can sell nowadays. Intel and NVidia and AMD won't produce more than what will be bought, and they won't go down in price with old stuff. Manufacturing of old stuff stops and the new stuff is intended to replace it.
I assume Haswell CPUs and boards will be a little pricier than current stuff at the start. The old Sandy Bridge parts never really went down in price so perhaps the same will happen to current Ivy Bridge.
The price you mention is something rare, you won't regularly see this and also won't see it buying online. If the 3570k is also reduced in price, I can't really decide. Personally, I'd probably still cheap out and choose 3570k if it's $160 or something.
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On May 31 2013 08:07 Cyro wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 07:01 Gumbi wrote:Hahahaha. Like I already explained, 90 degree ceilings in IBT doesn't worry me . 70 max in gaming doesn't stress the fan overly so, and is drowned by my GPU by that stage, so why should I worry I'm being slightly hypocritical right now as I'm in the process of rigging up old gear for sale in order to fund the cost of some better parts - a cooler being one of them HAHA. I just mean, by a lot of "elite" peoples standards, it's a bad overclock, too hot, whatever. You're pushing things to edge of limit on the understanding that you won't be fully loading the CPU, pretty much. If you state by gaming temps, nhd14 can do 1.5v undelidded, but it's extremely silly to do so, really for an extended tested OC on ivy, i would be uncomfortable with temp absolute maxes (in 24 hour+ tests) higher than ~86-88c or so. Maybe 90 if it was just an absolute max. To achieve this at the highest non-dangerous voltages for reasonable use, you need both a delid (close to 25c temp drop if you do it right) and (depending how far you are pushing voltages) something like a macho or an nhd14/h100i or better. 10 runs IBT and get 90 and then shrug it off for gaming (you'd be suprised how many people do this) is a no for me, and people over/understate coolers potentials or test badly all of the time; I think it's pretty accurate to say the macho has ~0.1v on the 212, temperature wise
I don't disagree with much of what your saying really. I certainly haven't done long stress tests on this. But I am comforted by the fact that lifetime-wise, Ivy Bridges shrug off 1.3v almost like it's nothing. My point of disagreement, would be, what's the difference? I game safely game at 4.6ghz. (Not too loud a fan, perfectly safe temps ~70 max in Crysis 3), So what's the issue?
I am going to upgrade, but my point point is, as above if I can safely game at 4.6ghz with that cooler, what's the problem? That's all I need and I get exactly that.
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United States7481 Posts
On May 31 2013 08:00 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 07:54 Antoine wrote:
Anyone know a lot about pricing trends? Apparently the 3770k is available for $229 at micro center so I could go pick one up. From my very limited knowledge, that seems like a great deal. However I feel like the imminent Haswell introduction could cause prices to go down across the board for the current line of CPUs. Can anyone provide some guidance here? Microcenter always sells processors at below MSRP. Intel doesn't lower their pricing on processors that go end of life.
Thanks all who replied to this. Going to pick it up tomorrow or Saturday. I've been looking through http://www.logicalincrements.com/ as a sort of guide, and comparing the microcenter ad to the prices listed there, it looks like the processor is the only one significantly lower - is this what I should expect?
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On May 31 2013 08:48 Antoine wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:00 skyR wrote:On May 31 2013 07:54 Antoine wrote:
Anyone know a lot about pricing trends? Apparently the 3770k is available for $229 at micro center so I could go pick one up. From my very limited knowledge, that seems like a great deal. However I feel like the imminent Haswell introduction could cause prices to go down across the board for the current line of CPUs. Can anyone provide some guidance here? Microcenter always sells processors at below MSRP. Intel doesn't lower their pricing on processors that go end of life. Thanks all who replied to this. Going to pick it up tomorrow or Saturday. I've been looking through http://www.logicalincrements.com/ as a sort of guide, and comparing the microcenter ad to the prices listed there, it looks like the processor is the only one significantly lower - is this what I should expect?
Microcenter generally has low pricing on lots of stuff but also somewhat a limited selection as well.
They also have -$40 discount on select motherboards when purchased in combination with a processor so make sure to ask. I think some of the choices are the Asrock Z77 Extreme3 / 4, ASUS P8Z77V-LK, and Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H.
The pricing on some cases are generally low too.
The Samsung 840 128gb I think is like $80 last time I checked.
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Oh woops. Either way, thanks! I'll probably go with that. Nothing else screams out to you right? I'll come back next week to ask about Haswell, I'm hoping to get <150$ on a motherboard (has to be microatx ofc) What are the good MicroATX models? I assume there will be at least a degree of similarity in the brands across generations (in terms of quality).
(I will have access to a microcenter also, or hopefully a best buy who will price match. They're 2 hours away)
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From the Anandtech roundup a week or two ago, I think they only had like 6 mATX boards detailed and those were the Gryphon, Sniper, Extreme4, whatever the high-end MSI is called, and some Biostar ones.
I wouldn't hold my breath for similarity across generations. P8Z77-V turned out to be more feature rich and expensive than the previous P8Z68-V and ASUS also redid their naming scheme for this generation, removing the series prefix and using A C Plus whatever instead of LK LE whatever suffixes.
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Oh gotcha. Alright, well I guess I'll wait and show up next week. I think tomshardware also mentioned having a D3H microatx from gigabyte? Something like that. Hopefully there'll be a decent something that doesn't break the bank.
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Sorry if this has been answered or is unknown or whatever, but what's the big deal about the new haswell CPU that is supposed to be coming out? Like why would I want this over some of the older cheaper stuff? (I'm not that smart when it comes to this stuff so sorry if it sounds dumb or whatever)
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On May 31 2013 09:30 Daogin wrote:
Sorry if this has been answered or is unknown or whatever, but what's the big deal about the new haswell CPU that is supposed to be coming out? Like why would I want this over some of the older cheaper stuff? (I'm not that smart when it comes to this stuff so sorry if it sounds dumb or whatever)
It's more power efficient, should be at least 5-10% faster per clock than ivy bridge, and rumor has it it either overclocks cooler or just better than ivy bridge. The biggest gains though are in mobile with better integrated graphics and much longer (supposedly) battery life which should really help intel vs ipad and the other things. That's where Haswell will have its biggest effect, but of course things still benefit the desktop market a little bit.
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Aahhhh you rock, thanks so much! Only caase, GPU, and PSU left (minus haswell stuff). Still need to decide which game bundle I want, AMD has a better one for a 160$ 7850 which seems decently priced xD.
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United States7481 Posts
On May 31 2013 09:00 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On May 31 2013 08:48 Antoine wrote:On May 31 2013 08:00 skyR wrote:On May 31 2013 07:54 Antoine wrote:
Anyone know a lot about pricing trends? Apparently the 3770k is available for $229 at micro center so I could go pick one up. From my very limited knowledge, that seems like a great deal. However I feel like the imminent Haswell introduction could cause prices to go down across the board for the current line of CPUs. Can anyone provide some guidance here? Microcenter always sells processors at below MSRP. Intel doesn't lower their pricing on processors that go end of life. Thanks all who replied to this. Going to pick it up tomorrow or Saturday. I've been looking through http://www.logicalincrements.com/ as a sort of guide, and comparing the microcenter ad to the prices listed there, it looks like the processor is the only one significantly lower - is this what I should expect? Microcenter generally has low pricing on lots of stuff but also somewhat a limited selection as well. They also have -$40 discount on select motherboards when purchased in combination with a processor so make sure to ask. I think some of the choices are the Asrock Z77 Extreme3 / 4, ASUS P8Z77V-LK, and Gigabyte Z77X-UD3H. The pricing on some cases are generally low too. The Samsung 840 128gb I think is like $80 last time I checked.
Yeah I saw that discount, it would make the 3570k only $140 if you apply the full -40 discount to it. However newegg has a deal for free 8gb ram with certain motherboards so I think that's a better deal. Thanks for the heads up on the case, probably going to pick up the Corsair Vengeance since they have a nice sale on that. The only negative I've found is below, not sure if it would affect me:
+ Show Spoiler +Cons: There's just enough room to fit a 2x120mm radiator on the bottom, *but*, the holes for the fans are normal fan-hole size (so you need screws with large heads to prevent them from falling out), you also need a power supply that's *just* small enough so your power supply cables can get through (I'm using a Corsair HX850 and my modular cable ends are right up against the radiator). You also have to remove a drive cage to do it. Mounting a radiator on top is possible if you use 25mm thick fans, 38mm are too thick and my radiator (XSPC RS240) hits the motherboard.
How does WD compare to seagate? I'm looking at that caviar blue you linked vs a comparable barracuda: http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-Barracuda-3-5-Inch-Internal-ST1000DM003/dp/B005T3GRNW/ which is $9 more.
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The critique you quoted seems to be about a radiator like for those closed loop coolers. I don't quite understand what's up in that situation with the radiator, but for a simple fan, you should mount it with those silicon or rubber nipple thingies instead of screws and you won't care anything about hole size.
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alright, i'm not planning to do anything too fancy with cooling. thanks for the clarification.
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Nah, RS240 is a common custom water radiator, I think, not closed loop. Anyway, it's just a comment about physical clearance of components that aren't relevant for you (us here discussing this).
As for WD Caviar Blue vs. Seagate Barracuda, it's kind a wash. Some people prefer one brand over the other. Actually, more people probably prefer WD, though maybe not for any valid reason. Some years back, a rev. of Barracudas had a firmware issue.
Both models are actually relatively new and are single-platter variants. So less power, better performance. Then again, we're talking hard drives; differences in performance are minor at best unless you have some specific need.
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Yeah, it's not closed loop.
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btw, why in the world is it called closed loop? You need a closed loop for custom-built modular systems too. Otherwise, you don't get fluid flowing anywhere useful. I'm perpetuating the terminology too, but just saying...
The distinction seems to mainly be sealed (can't change coolant or modify connections) vs. not sealed.
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