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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 16 2013 00:04 GMT
#29821
Not sure what you're not understanding.

Dynamic voltage as known on Gigabyte boards or Offset voltage as it is more commonly known is basically auto voltage.

VID is voltage identification. It's built in and is always suppose to change with various loads. It's the voltage that the processor is asking for to run at the specified speed.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 00:13:07
May 16 2013 00:11 GMT
#29822
On May 16 2013 09:03 Cyro wrote:
Offset is an offset from VID. It has nothing to do with the other voltage setting, consider it disabled.

OK. So why did CPU-Z report a massive voltage change under load? I'm thinking it's because, since I never set a manual voltage, since I had TB 46x (up from stock 34x), it applied the TB extra voltage thingy (which is inefficient I presume).

So the dynamic voltages only applies to vid? Well I can ignore that then, because it was already adjusting to the clock speed beforehand (when I had the dynamic voltage not being used), from 0.9 to 1.2 depending on the frequency.

How then, do I achieve undervolting at an idle state. My CPU is downclocking correctly to 1600mhz at idle, but not undervolting. I assume it would do well for the CPU not to be at 1.28v all the time (I know Ivies are tolerant, and 1.28 isn't a lot, and that I'm also a conservative PC user - but if I can set it to undervolt correctly at 1600mhz idle speed, I will).

I'm sorry for being slow I'm tired and not at the computer anymore. I will tackle this again I Friday or tomorrow night anyways.

Thanks very much.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 16 2013 00:19 GMT
#29823
I'm really confused with what you're trying to say. Didn't someone already mention that you need to use offset voltage if you want the CPU to downvolt when its idle.

You set offset to +0.18v which is why it went up to 1.4v? You never mentioned what your load VID was.
Gumbi
Profile Joined June 2012
Ireland463 Posts
May 16 2013 00:24 GMT
#29824
On May 16 2013 09:19 skyR wrote:
I'm really confused with what you're trying to say. Didn't someone already mention that you need to use offset voltage if you want the CPU to downvolt when its idle.

You set offset to +0.18v which is why it went up to 1.4v? You never mentioned what your load VID was.

I was going to explain what I mean, and had a lot written out, but I think I'm wasting my time at this time while being very tired.

Thanks for your help, I really appreciate it, I will do proper testing tomorrow and try to match your explanations with the messing with of settings by myself; hopefully then, I can come back with less confusing questions

Thanks very much...
Ropid
Profile Joined March 2009
Germany3557 Posts
May 16 2013 00:30 GMT
#29825
I remember there were two settings about offset voltage with ASRock. One seemed like it would add a little voltage with each turbo multiplier step, and another one was the offset voltage that's added to VID like with other boards. That might lead to confusion discussing offset voltage with other people.
"My goal is to replace my soul with coffee and become immortal."
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 00:46:51
May 16 2013 00:38 GMT
#29826
OK. So why did CPU-Z report a massive voltage change under load?


Your VID isnt a voltage being supplied to the CPU, you should read up on what VID is.

It will change depending on the load of your CPU, etc.

If you set your voltage to be VID + 0.2v - when your VID changes, your vcore will too.
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 03:37:33
May 16 2013 03:31 GMT
#29827
On May 16 2013 09:30 Ropid wrote:
I remember there were two settings about offset voltage with ASRock. One seemed like it would add a little voltage with each turbo multiplier step, and another one was the offset voltage that's added to VID like with other boards. That might lead to confusion discussing offset voltage with other people.

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Intel Turbo Boost Technology
Use this item to enable or disable Intel Turbo Boost Mode Technology.

Turbo Boost Mode allows processor cores to run faster than marked frequency in specific conditions. The default value is [Enabled].

Additional Turbo Voltage
Use this item to add voltage when CPU is in Turbo mode.


Internal PLL Overvoltage
Use this item to enable/disable CPU Internal PLL Overvoltage Function.

Voltage Configuration
Applying too much voltage to the CPU may cause damages to both the CPU and the motherboard, please select an appropriate (CPU/VTT/VCCSA/CPU PLL) voltage. Overclocking should be done at your own risk and expense.

Extreme Voltage
Use this to enable or disable extreme voltage. The default value is [Disabled].

PWM Switching Frequency
Use this to adjust PWM switching frequency. The default value is [Auto].

PWM Current Threshold
This option provides low, middle and high three modes of current
threshold. Configuration options: [Auto], [Gamer (low current)], [enthusiasm (middle current)] and [Extreme Ln2 OC (high current)]. The default value is [Auto].

CPU Voltage
Use this to select CPU Voltage. Configuration options: [Auto], [Offset Mode] and [Fixed Mode]. The default value is [Auto].

CPU Load-Line Calibration
CPU Load-Line Calibration helps prevent CPU voltage droop when the
system is under heavy load.

IGPU Voltage
Use this to select IGPU Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

IGPU Load-Line Calibration
IGPU Load-Line Calibration helps prevent IGPU voltage droop when the
system is under heavy load.

DRAM Voltage
Use this to select DRAM Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

VTT CPU 1 Voltage
Use this to select VTT CPU 1 Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

VTT CPU 2 Voltage
Use this to select VTT CPU 2 Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

VCCSA Voltage
Use this to select VCCSA Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

VTT DDR Voltage
Use this to select VTT DDR Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

PCH 1 Voltage
Use this to select PCH 1 Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

PCH 2 Voltage
Use this to select PCH 2 Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

PCH DMI Voltage
Use this to select PCH DMI Voltage. The default value is [Auto].

PCH DMI COMP Strength
Use this to select PCH DMI COMP Strength. The default value is [Auto].

XCLK RCOMP Strength
Use this to select XCLK RCOMP Strength. The default value is [Auto].

CPU PLL Voltage
Use this to select CPU PLL Voltage. The default value is [Auto].


(From my manual)

Anyway, if you want to do offset and get it stable, start with it on automatic / offset mode, but DON'T use an offset. Instead, increment the offset one step at a time from 0 until you can boot into windows, then test stability/temps and keep incrementing until its stable or too hot / too much voltage (you should run into temp problems long before extreme voltage problems).

It's just like how you wouldn't start trying to OC at 5Ghz. Work your way up.
twitch.tv/cratonz
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
May 16 2013 07:56 GMT
#29828
I heard to find voltage with manual (guess he has already done that) and then just reproduce it with slight tweaks by adding/subtracting from VID or something like that
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
mav451
Profile Joined May 2010
United States1596 Posts
May 16 2013 14:35 GMT
#29829
http://www.overclock.net/t/1391596/proof-that-intel-most-likely-using-tim-again-with-haswell-ihs/10
Still early speculation, but considering the thread was promptly re-opened certainly raises my concern haha.

Better get the hammer/vice ready.
With no power comes no responsibility?
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
May 16 2013 14:38 GMT
#29830
What did I tell you guys? That if it made business sense for them on Ivy Bridge, it probably still would too in the future, so they wouldn't switch? >_>
Cyro
Profile Blog Joined June 2011
United Kingdom20343 Posts
May 16 2013 15:26 GMT
#29831
[image loading]

Saw this weeks ago. It's a Haswell die
"oh my god my overclock... I got a single WHEA error on the 23rd hour, 9 minutes" -Belial88
MrCon
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
France29748 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-16 19:34:57
May 16 2013 19:33 GMT
#29832
New return rate of hardware post, one thing to note is that for GPU, it's always the "exotic" models that have a high return rate, like the overclocked models, or the models with a lot more memory than the reference model (like the 3go and 2go models, when most reference cards are still at 1go). So when the manufacturer (so Sapphire, ASUS, etc) engineers add features basically, it adds in unreliability.

The SSD numbers are more or less the same, with 2 OCZ models, Petrol SATA 3 and Octane SATA 2, at 39,79 et 36,13%.
- Samsung 0,05% (contre 0,48%)
- Plextor 0,16% (N/A)
- Intel 0,37% (contre 0,45%)
- Crucial 1,12% (contre 1,11%)
- Corsair 1,61% (contre 1,05%)
- OCZ 6,64% (contre 5,02%)

http://www.hardware.fr/articles/893-1/taux-retour-composants-8.html
Toss907
Profile Joined March 2011
United States71 Posts
May 16 2013 20:37 GMT
#29833
So I am certain there is a better avenue for this, but can someone tell me where I could possibly sell these?


Interface SATA III (6.0 Gbps)
Internal/External Internal
Drive Width 3.5"
Cache Size 32
Rotational Speed 5400
Capacity 4tb
Winning!
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
May 16 2013 21:52 GMT
#29834
hardforum, overclock.net, ebay, amazon, etc
llIH
Profile Joined June 2011
Norway2147 Posts
May 16 2013 21:53 GMT
#29835
On May 15 2013 13:21 Shikyo wrote:
Show nested quote +
On May 14 2013 04:21 llIH wrote:
On May 13 2013 05:53 llIH wrote:
Hello again...
I am still confused what to do. I need to ask how much I will need to invest to get enough performance.
Here is my story: Basicaly my parents can buy me a laptop. No they will not buy me a desktop. But I want it to perform "ok" or good enough to play games. But of course not at all close enough to a desktop. I will only use it in holidays.
What I want:
Sc2 @ 60fps low settings 1920x1080 - 15" or 17"

That said. I want to get something as cheap as possible to be nice to my parents. But at the same time the laptop must be good enough to practice sc2 and also DotA2 + Heroes of Newerth. I play every game on LOW settings. I hate blurr and effects. I am just for the game. (retired cs:s pro)

the CPU is the main focus.

Your suggestions will be greatly appreciated!



Anyone?

I don't even know where you are from.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16834314016

Something like this would be what I'd buy if I had to buy one right now and if it was from that store(too lazy to check others), even though it's Acer. That graphics card is really good for that price, destroying all those games on low. By the way, 1080p for such a small screen isn't really a good idea in my opinion. It becomes tough to see and you'll require an increasingly powerful graphics card as well. However, that laptop can play SC2 on low on an external 1080p screen if need be.


Someone already asked! :D
I'm from Norway.
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
May 17 2013 00:16 GMT
#29836
I have a question, so I have a new build with a new everything except for my old hard drive. My new system hooked up shows up blue screen of death. I have my old hard drive and a new SSD plugged into SATA but I am getting a blue screen of death shortly after windows starts loading. What could it be? It was fine in my old computer.

Things it maybe could be:
my bios isnt set up at all, like what it boots from
im not 100% sure i plugged it in the right place, one of the SATA is white and the SSD is in there
the SSD doesn't have an OS on it, but the reg hard drive does

Ideas?
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 00:20:03
May 17 2013 00:19 GMT
#29837
Probably doesn't like your drivers (the HDD contains drivers for many parts you no longer have). Can you boot into safe mode?
twitch.tv/cratonz
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
May 17 2013 00:20 GMT
#29838
On May 17 2013 09:19 Craton wrote:
Probably doesn't like your drivers. Can you boot into safe mode?

safe mode also went to blue screen
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
Craton
Profile Blog Joined December 2009
United States17303 Posts
May 17 2013 00:20 GMT
#29839
Try a windows repair with the CD.
twitch.tv/cratonz
TheGreenMachine
Profile Joined March 2010
United States730 Posts
Last Edited: 2013-05-17 00:49:02
May 17 2013 00:21 GMT
#29840
On May 17 2013 09:20 Craton wrote:
Try a windows repair with the CD.

i get a win 7 cd in the mail pretty soon, but any other ideas til then?
oh and i also can work through the bios and it wont blue screen on me in there.

this link sheds some insight, i also should have mentioned it was xp

http://www.gcsdstaff.org/roodhouse/?p=867
"As many people know by now, XP does not like it when significant hardware changes take place in a machine. If you have every tried swapping a motherboard or moving a hard drive from one computer to another you have probably seen the BSOD (Blue Screen of Death)."

Looks like if u change motherboards the hard drive will blue screen every time for XP unless you do a fresh install or you do some kind of safe mode thing. I'll go for fresh install.
Don't forget to get everyone you know to play HOTS so this game we love called Starcraft will live on. Every little bit helps. ^^
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