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My buddy is looking for a new laptop. Nothing fancy. For gaming, homework, movies/music, wants: HD 1920x1080 17" display
What is your budget?
About 800 € +/-100
What is your resolution?
Wants 17" + 1920x1080, HD
What are you using it for?
Gaming, work stuff, watching movies, listening to music. No streaming, no encoding, no photoshop.
What is your upgrade cycle?
~4years
When do you plan on building it?
Asap. Next month (Jan '13) probably.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Online retailer, amazon, mindfactory etc.
Thanks - shoot me any question you have.
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I was looking up 17.3" 1920x1080 laptops a while back for someone, and checking back on a few pages, I found the options as:
Clevo W170ER (rebranded frequently, available as barebones)
MSI GE70 (1756, also rebranded)
Dell Inspiron 17R SE (7720)
Asus NV76 (certain models)
Other options are way over the price bracket. The above tend to have Nvidia GT 650M (Kepler, GK117), with a single fan to cool both the CPU and GPU. You don't want something worse than GT 640M. These laptops often are listed with Core i7s, though and i5 should be fine for his needs, maybe even i3.
I can't vouch for quality and longevity, actually lasting 4 years. Not sure where to find laptop prices in EU. I suspect finding one of these in budget may be difficult. Price is typically not under $900 for something like that in the US, and VAT + increased prices in EU means 1 USD purchasing ability is roughly equivalent to 1 Euro purchasing ability for these products. nm should've just checked around
edit2: wait a sec, the GE60 below is not a GE70, lol. GE60 is 15.6". Prices are tougher at 17.3"
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Was just doing some research on CPU's
What do people think of the AMD FX-8350 8 Core Processor Socket AM3 4.0GHZ for streaming, at least compared to the 3770k (neither are overclocked).
I was thinking of pairing it with the GTX 660Ti for gaming.
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Is it possible to talk him into getting a desktop?
Or does he really NEED it to be a laptop?
800€ laptop 1080pp gt650m (the gddr5 model, so good) and i5-3210m : http://lb.hardwareversand.de/15 - 15.9 inch/68320/MSI GE60-i550M245.article
the problem is in this price range, most alptops will come with i7 and weak gpu's, so finding one with a "decent" gpu is pretty hard, especially at 1080p also, most laptops are 1366*768 or 1600*900
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On December 21 2012 05:19 masterbreti wrote:
What do people think of the AMD FX-8350 8 Core Processor Socket AM3 4.0GHZ for streaming, at least compared to the 3770k (neither are overclocked).
I was thinking of pairing it with the GTX 660Ti for gaming.
FX-8350 would be worse.
First of all, the gaming performance would be much worse. If the source video is jerkier because you're not getting rock-solid 60 fps, the stream isn't going to look any better than that. If at any time all 4 modules can't be maxed out, performance is going to lag behind a 4 core / 8 thread Ivy Bridge processor. Load and actual usage should depend on the encoder, what's the bottleneck, and so on.
For maybe trying to get the best quality / bitrate out of streaming your desktop or something that's not a game, the processors might be similar under the best scenario for the FX-8350.
If you're not overclocking either, a Xeon E3-1230 V2 (and higher models) also fit on socket 1155 and are cheaper than the i7-3770k, more expensive than the Core i5s but generally closer to the i5s. These are also 4 core / 8 threads Ivy Bridge processors, so same performance as i7s at equivalent clock speeds.
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What is your budget?
$600-$700
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
Primarily League of Legends, Starcraft 2, and D3.
What is your upgrade cycle?
~2 years
When do you plan on building it?
This Saturday (22nd), unless it's worth waiting for Boxing day sales
Do you plan on overclocking?
Nope.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yep, W8 preferably
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope.
Where are you buying your parts from?
All parts from either NCIX or Canada Computers
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On December 21 2012 05:13 Myrmidon wrote:
I was looking up 17.3" 1920x1080 laptops a while back for someone, and checking back on a few pages, I found the options as:
Clevo W170ER (rebranded frequently, available as barebones)
MSI GE70 (1756, also rebranded)
Dell Inspiron 17R SE (7720)
Asus NV76 (certain models)
Other options are way over the price bracket. The above tend to have Nvidia GT 650M (Kepler, GK117), with a single fan to cool both the CPU and GPU. You don't want something worse than GT 640M. These laptops often are listed with Core i7s, though and i5 should be fine for his needs, maybe even i3.
I can't vouch for quality and longevity, actually lasting 4 years. Not sure where to find laptop prices in EU. I suspect finding one of these in budget may be difficult. Price is typically not under $900 for something like that in the US, and VAT + increased prices in EU means 1 USD purchasing ability is roughly equivalent to 1 Euro purchasing ability for these products. nm should've just checked around
edit2: wait a sec, the GE60 below is not a GE70, lol. GE60 is 15.6". Prices are tougher at 17.3"
If he plays SC2, an i3 might be iffy... ~2.4ghz might be rough late game, considering turbo on laptops is more "effective."
If your friend goes to 15", he could also look at the Samsung Series 7 or the Lenovo Y580. The Y580 comes with a GTX 660M and i7, although to get a 1080P screen on it you're probably looking at a thousand or so.
And not that it matters, but mobile kepler is GK107, not GK117 
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Thanks guys, will look through your suggestions on the weekend.
Awesome holidays to you all!
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On December 21 2012 06:10 Alryk wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 05:13 Myrmidon wrote:
I was looking up 17.3" 1920x1080 laptops a while back for someone, and checking back on a few pages, I found the options as:
Clevo W170ER (rebranded frequently, available as barebones)
MSI GE70 (1756, also rebranded)
Dell Inspiron 17R SE (7720)
Asus NV76 (certain models)
Other options are way over the price bracket. The above tend to have Nvidia GT 650M (Kepler, GK117), with a single fan to cool both the CPU and GPU. You don't want something worse than GT 640M. These laptops often are listed with Core i7s, though and i5 should be fine for his needs, maybe even i3.
I can't vouch for quality and longevity, actually lasting 4 years. Not sure where to find laptop prices in EU. I suspect finding one of these in budget may be difficult. Price is typically not under $900 for something like that in the US, and VAT + increased prices in EU means 1 USD purchasing ability is roughly equivalent to 1 Euro purchasing ability for these products. nm should've just checked around
edit2: wait a sec, the GE60 below is not a GE70, lol. GE60 is 15.6". Prices are tougher at 17.3" If he plays SC2, an i3 might be iffy... ~2.4ghz might be rough late game, considering turbo on laptops is more "effective." If your friend goes to 15", he could also look at the Samsung Series 7 or the Lenovo Y580. The Y580 comes with a GTX 660M and i7, although to get a 1080P screen on it you're probably looking at a thousand or so. And not that it matters, but mobile kepler is GK107, not GK117
Whoops, so much for quoting code names... They're all GK10x now except the high-end GK110 behind the top Tesla card.
More relevantly, GTX 660M is still the same chip as GT 650M and GT 640M as well as desktop GT 640 and GTX 650, GK107, just clocked higher than the other mobile configs. Not much of an improvement over GT 650M GDDR5.
On December 21 2012 05:53 JosephAM wrote:+ Show Spoiler +What is your budget?
$600-$700
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
Primarily League of Legends, Starcraft 2, and D3.
What is your upgrade cycle?
~2 years
When do you plan on building it?
This Saturday (22nd), unless it's worth waiting for Boxing day sales
Do you plan on overclocking?
Nope.
Do you need an Operating System?
Yep, W8 preferably
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
Nope.
Where are you buying your parts from?
All parts from either NCIX or Canada Computers
Might be worth waiting for Boxing Day, though deals on the lower end tend not to be as good I think.
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Hey guys I'm building my first gaming computer and have just put together a list of the parts I want. However, I wanted to verify that they are compatible with each other and that I'm not forgetting anything. Parts are listed below. Any help is greatly appreciated.
PSU
Rosewill Hive 750W
Motherboard
ASRock Z77 Extreme4
Case
Corsair Carbide Series 400R
CPU
Intel Core i5
RAM
Corsair Vengeance 8GB
Hard Drive
HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.D
Video Card
ASUS HD7870
Thanks for the help!
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which i5?
that PSU is more then overkill
you need ddr3, you didn't specify
rest is fine (even if you wanna cx later on, rosewill capstone 550 would be enough)
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United States988 Posts
Hi all,
I recently bought parts for a new computer and am just stuck on which graphics card to buy. These are the parts i currently have: ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/eTcp3.png)
My monitor has a resolution of 1920 x 1080 and I play games like league of legends, sc2, lfd2, thinking of cs:go, etc. I am looking for a graphics card that is sub 200 dollars. Does anyone have any good suggestions?
Thank you!
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On December 21 2012 07:59 Arabidopsis wrote:
Hey guys I'm building my first gaming computer and have just put together a list of the parts I want. However, I wanted to verify that they are compatible with each other and that I'm not forgetting anything. Parts are listed below. Any help is greatly appreciated.
PSU
Rosewill Hive 750W
Motherboard
ASRock Z77 Extreme4
Case
Corsair Carbide Series 400R
CPU
Intel Core i5
RAM
Corsair Vengeance 8GB
Hard Drive
HITACHI Deskstar 7K1000.D
Video Card
ASUS HD7870
Thanks for the help!
rosewill cx is way too much power. the johnnyguru recommended (on newegg) corsair cx430 is the best deal for a PSU i've seen, new or used, at the moment. There's also an antec neoeco, it's $5 more expensive only after rebate (so if you dont like rebates, it's $5 cheaper), but it supplies i think 1-2 less amps on the 12v rail. Not sure on which is higher quality though, but both are good sub-500w PSUs that come highly recommended in general.
The only reason to have more than 500w is if your overclocking and going SLI. With modern GPUs I'm not so sure you need more than 500w even with SLI in some cases.
Any particular reason your going for an extreme 4 instead of pro4 or even pro3? PCI 3.0 isnt going to be utilized by single gpu 7870.
Any particular reason your going for such expensive RAM? Vengeance comes recommended as great RAM for benching, but if your just gaming or doing even overclocking, there's no reason to get such expensive RAM.
Make sure you actually use 1TB before you buy a 1TB HDD. I only use 40GB and I've had my hdd for 2 years. It obviously changes depending on what you do, but the less space you need, the higher quality HDD/SDD you can get for the same price.
im assuming ib i5 3570k since your getting a z77 chipset and ability to change voltage on mobo.
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On December 21 2012 08:58 HaruHaru wrote:Hi all, I recently bought parts for a new computer and am just stuck on which graphics card to buy. These are the parts i currently have: My monitor has a resolution of 1920 x 1080 and I play games like league of legends, sc2, lfd2, thinking of cs:go, etc. I am looking for a graphics card that is sub 200 dollars. Does anyone have any good suggestions? Thank you!
I believe you cannot change the voltage on the G41 past 1.28v, and most of the higher end i5 overclocks go past 1.28 volts (youd have to be very lucky to reach the chip's limit on 1.28 or below, and you wont be able to bench or push less stable overclcoks, ie maybe not 24 prime stable but gaming stable overclock).
Pick another motherboard.
PSU is way too much power. There's no reason for you to go above 500w, or even 450w, or 400w, for that matter, especially on ib. Plenty of good PSUs, just find the cheapest on this list:
http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-supplies
I would never recommend a dvd drive these days. I mean it's only going to get more and more useless as time goes by, and it's already useless. I haven't had to use a dvd/cd in years, flash/downloads just replace it in every way. They're absolutely ugly too, I wouldn't want one on my computer. I installed one temporarily and I just put it inside my computer, id rather take off the case to access it and its not like you are swapping cds so much (turned out i never had to use it though). Just my personal take on them though, just get what's cheapest if you insist. might as well buy a floppy drive.
Make sure you need 1tb of hdd. I've only used up to 40gb in 2 years. The less storage you need, the higher quality you can get at the same price (or just save money). Just imagine that $70 going to an i7 or something instead... obviously you need a hdd but just saying.
Bad choice of RAM, the voltage they run at is too high, and I'm pretty sure intel says only go for 1.5v on RAM (i mean you can ignore that, i wouldnt worry about that specifically, just the quality of the ram being bad), and the volts does affect the cpu due to the imc being ondie instead of on the motherboard. Just buy the cheapest 1.5v CL9 (or faster cas latency, if you can, not worth paying more for it though) you can find.
I'm not as familiar with Intel so if someone could back up some of the stuff I said here, but this is just my take on your list.
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There isn't any point going to 1.28V with an Intel processor. That's actually exceedingly high. Generally, you're able to reach 4.2-4.4ghz with a very small offset of like 0.025V or something similar.
That being said, I wouldn't bother with MSI for other reasons. Worse I/O performance, not really cheaper than competition, needs more voltage for stable clocks even if the overclock is only very small.
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On December 21 2012 09:05 Belial88 wrote:Show nested quote +On December 21 2012 08:58 HaruHaru wrote:Hi all, I recently bought parts for a new computer and am just stuck on which graphics card to buy. These are the parts i currently have: My monitor has a resolution of 1920 x 1080 and I play games like league of legends, sc2, lfd2, thinking of cs:go, etc. I am looking for a graphics card that is sub 200 dollars. Does anyone have any good suggestions? Thank you! I believe you cannot change the voltage on the G41 past 1.28v, and most of the higher end i5 overclocks go past 1.28 volts (youd have to be very lucky to reach the chip's limit on 1.28 or below, and you wont be able to bench or push less stable overclcoks, ie maybe not 24 prime stable but gaming stable overclock). Pick another motherboard. PSU is way too much power. There's no reason for you to go above 500w, or even 450w, or 400w, for that matter, especially on ib. Plenty of good PSUs, just find the cheapest on this list: http://www.overclock.net/t/183810/faq-recommended-power-suppliesI would never recommend a dvd drive these days. I mean it's only going to get more and more useless as time goes by, and it's already useless. I haven't had to use a dvd/cd in years, flash/downloads just replace it in every way. They're absolutely ugly too, I wouldn't want one on my computer. I installed one temporarily and I just put it inside my computer, id rather take off the case to access it and its not like you are swapping cds so much (turned out i never had to use it though). Just my personal take on them though, just get what's cheapest if you insist. might as well buy a floppy drive. Make sure you need 1tb of hdd. I've only used up to 40gb in 2 years. The less storage you need, the higher quality you can get at the same price (or just save money). Just imagine that $70 going to an i7 or something instead... obviously you need a hdd but just saying. Bad choice of RAM, the voltage they run at is too high, and I'm pretty sure intel says only go for 1.5v on RAM (i mean you can ignore that, i wouldnt worry about that specifically, just the quality of the ram being bad), and the volts does affect the cpu due to the imc being ondie instead of on the motherboard. Just buy the cheapest 1.5v CL9 (or faster cas latency, if you can, not worth paying more for it though) you can find. I'm not as familiar with Intel so if someone could back up some of the stuff I said here, but this is just my take on your list.
He's hardly going to be doing balls to the wall overclocks with an $85 motherboard, and 1.28v is way too high for a normal overclock on IB with standard cooling. My sb is 4.4 with 1.24v, ivy bridge has lower voltages across the board too, and 4.2-4.4 is a common mild overclock. Above 4.5-4.6 is enthusiast territory on IB. His motherboard is fine and was a good price too.
Yeah the rest his parts list is meh, but if you read it says he's already bought them. Even so, I wouldn't touch a "700W" unlabeled powersupply with a 10 foot pole, but if you like taking unnecessary risks, whatever.
And in answer to your question, 7850 1 or 2 GB will be a little under $200, if you want to spend less, get a lower end card?
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United States988 Posts
Thanks for all the responses everyone. . I ended up cancelling the order lol. Heard a lot of reasons to not get an unreliable power supply. So right now I plan to keep the motherboard since it's a good price and the cpu. Any advice on what Ram I should get and what PSU considering the motherboard and cpu? Thanks again for all the responses.
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For RAM, you want 1.5v (lower if you can, but not mroe definitly), no more then 9-9-9-27 timings and generally 1333 or 1600MhZ
get the cheapest kit that respects this, and you're good to go
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EDIT: Edit/Combined post.
On December 21 2012 09:54 Womwomwom wrote:
There isn't any point going to 1.28V with an Intel processor. That's actually exceedingly high. Generally, you're able to reach 4.2-4.4ghz with a very small offset of like 0.025V or something similar.
That being said, I wouldn't bother with MSI for other reasons. Worse I/O performance, not really cheaper than competition, needs more voltage for stable clocks even if the overclock is only very small.
He's hardly going to be doing balls to the wall overclocks with an $85 motherboard, and 1.28v is way too high for a normal overclock on IB with standard cooling. My sb is 4.4 with 1.24v, ivy bridge has lower voltages across the board too, and 4.2-4.4 is a common mild overclock. Above 4.5-4.6 is enthusiast territory on IB. His motherboard is fine and was a good price too.
Yeah the rest his parts list is meh, but if you read it says he's already bought them. Even so, I wouldn't touch a "700W" unlabeled powersupply with a 10 foot pole, but if you like taking unnecessary risks, whatever.
And in answer to your question, 7850 1 or 2 GB will be a little under $200, if you want to spen
It's not 'balls to the walls' to go 4.5+... it's standard. Most i5 2500k/3570ks generally accepted standard, safe, common, 24/7 overclock range is 4.5-5ghz. I think you mean 'benching', which I'm not expecting the OP to do. I don't think you should encourage... i dont want to say ignorance, but for lack of a better word... I mean all it'll take is reading online for 1 hour to realize how simple and easy it is to get 4.5-5. I don't know why you think 4.5+ is 'balls to the wall', it's the standard i5 overclock on ambient cooling.
And arent ever going to reach 4.8+, and it's likely you won't even reach 4.5 or the standard overclock on less than 1.28v. its entirely possible you have a terrible chip and you can only reach 4.5, but 50% of the chips will go past 4.5, and based on OCN's i5 clubs, it looks like 1.28+ voltage is very, very common for 24/7 overclocks. Reaching 4.2-4.4 with a small offset is common, but you can reach a 24/7 overclock at 4.5-5ghz pretty commonly on IB i5s. The general concensus is 1.35-1.4 is the max 24/7, safe, voltage for the i5, so being limited at 1.28 is just a huge handicap.
And that's not even including what if you just want gaming stable and go 5+ ghz, or if you want to bench.
What do you mean by worse i/o performance though? Is it really going to even be noticeable that your sata controller isn't as good or something?
I'd say the Pro 3 seems to be the best sub-$100 overclockable motherboard right now (although you can get a very high quality p67 for really cheap these days and there's no reason to have pci 3.0 these days and by the time you do you're probably going to be upgrading your cpu/mobo anyways). I dont see why youd go for pro 4 or extreme 3/4 unless your a bencher (again, no reason for pcie 3.0, especially with a 7xxx series build, not any reasonable modern gpus even use 3.0). I could be wrong though, im not as familiar with intel, but just my research into it recently.
http://www.overclock.net/t/1247869/official-the-ivy-bridge-stable-suicide-club-guides-voltages-temps-bios-templates-inc-spreadsheet/0_100
Only 2 guys got 4.8ghz @1.28v or less, and both of them had golden chips (1.23v) and weren't 24 hour stable. It looked like the average 1.28 overclock was 4.4ghz, so your losing potentially 300-600mhz depending on if your chip is average to golden respectively.
Not to mention, the G41 has a shitty VRM. I know Intel runs cooler, but a 4+1 phase with shitty quality non-heatsinked mosfets is very questionable, amd or intel. I wouldn't just discourage 4+1 non-heatsinked NIKOS mosfets for i5 overclocking, i'd fucking warn against it. At the very least, you need to buy some enzotech aftermarket heatsinks for this motherboard.
And this would all be okay if the G41 was just the cheapest board possible, but it's not! It's the same price as much higher quality motherboard, like the Asrock Pro3, and it's even MORE expensive than some higher quality motherboards, particularly P67 chipsets.
The i5 3570k is enthusiast territory, the g41 is just a huge handicap. Not to mention a questionable VRM - non-heatsinked 4+1? I'm aware Intel doesn't require VRM quality like AMD, but 4+1 non-heatsinked is pushing it. You still have VRM blow-outs on Intel. I'm not saying don't buy this motherboard for the VRM, I'm saying don't buy it for the voltage limit. The VRM quality is just another kicker on how terrible the motherboard is.
Why would you stop at less than 4.5ghz on either sb i5 or ib i5? These are all enthusiast parts, hell, anyone building a computer is an 'enthusiast'. It makes no sense to overclock to less than the 24/7 safe limits of a chip, or less than 4.5 on i5. I dont think it should be frowned upon to want to know how to overclock thoroughly or reach the limits of a chip either, there is no distinction between 'enthusiast overclock' or 'any overclock', or rather, a TRUE enthusiast overclock is just benching, ie 5+ ghz on extreme voltage and sub-ambient cooling.
DONT BUY A G41 MOTHERBOARD! It's a piece of shit no matter what way you look at it, and it's not any cheaper than much better motherboards out there
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