EPTI feel so discriminated against.
Fuck you guys I see how it really is. OK not really.
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Medrea
10003 Posts
I feel so discriminated against. Fuck you guys I see how it really is. OK not really. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:53 pinnacle wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Probably buying today or tomorrow. What do you guys think? Case - Bitfenix prodigy http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0393941 $75 Motherboard-ASRock Z77E-ITX http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0392376 $105 GPU-7950 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814202006 $299 CPU-i5 3570k http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0388577 $169 PSU-SIlverstone Strider http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817256065&Tpk=Silverstone ST50F-P $80 SSD- Samsung 840 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147188 $100 RAM-Samsung 8gb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147096 $34 OS-Windows Ultimate http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116986&nm_mc already have Monitor- ASUS 23" http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16824236288 $169 ODD-Liteon http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106289 $16 HSF- Cooler master 212 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065 $30 Keyboard- CM Storm Quickfire Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16823129003 $55 Total 1132 There is no way in the world I would build in a prodigy case, especially at that price. I'm 80% sure the 212 will block your PCI-e slot. It would be cheaper just to build in an mATX case, as mATX boards are generally cheaper. mITX just isn't enthusiast (overclocking) friendly. | ||
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pinnacle
United States86 Posts
On December 19 2012 06:58 iTzSnypah wrote: There is no way in the world I would build in a prodigy case, especially at that price. I'm 80% sure the 212 will block your PCI-e slot. It would be cheaper just to build in an mATX case, as mATX boards are generally cheaper. mITX just isn't enthusiast (overclocking) friendly. Pretty sure the 212 will be fine. OCN's z77e-itx owners club lists it as a compatible cooler (http://www.overclock.net/t/1302509/official-asrock-z77e-itx-owners-club). Also I want a SFF system and plenty of people seem to be over clocking just fine in prodigies. | ||
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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Prodigy Dimensions: 9.84" x 15.91" x 14.13" Silverstone PS07B Dimensions: 8.27" x 14.73" x 15.75" You can't just assume mITX means small form factor. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
I mean honestly, it has more volume (including handles) than stuff like Silverstone TJ08-E / PS07 and Antec NSK3448 that are mATX, never mind most OEM mid-tower mATX boxes and the actually small miniITX stuff. At least I could've sworn I calculated that a while back. edit: ninja'd by 10 minutes whoooops I get the feeling like Hyper 212 and co. are "compatible" in the sense that if you rotate them 90 degrees (facing the graphics card) and strap the fan to be pull rather than push, they will fit. Strider Plus 500W is not very good, very loose with voltage regulation. For a similar price, you can get the much better Seasonic G Series 450W (which is mostly modular still): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151124 I'd consider just moving to a smaller mATX chassis and being able to use mATX motherboards and normal air tower coolers in the usual orientation. edit: unless you want to use a different cooler like an AIO (ugh) or upgrade the motherboard to something even more expensive like the EVGA or Asus models. | ||
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pinnacle
United States86 Posts
On December 19 2012 07:47 Myrmidon wrote: IMHO Prodigy is very arguably not SFF, but if you consider it to be so, then whatever works for you... I mean honestly, it has more volume (including handles) than stuff like Silverstone TJ08-E / PS07 and Antec NSK3448 that are mATX, never mind most OEM mid-tower mATX boxes and the actually small miniITX stuff. At least I could've sworn I calculated that a while back. edit: ninja'd by 10 minutes whoooops I get the feeling like Hyper 212 and co. are "compatible" in the sense that if you rotate them 90 degrees (facing the graphics card) and strap the fan to be pull rather than push, they will fit. Strider Plus 500W is not very good, very loose with voltage regulation. For a similar price, you can get the much better Seasonic G Series 450W (which is mostly modular still): http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817151124 I'd consider just moving to a smaller mATX chassis and being able to use mATX motherboards and normal air tower coolers in the usual orientation. edit: unless you want to use a different cooler like an AIO (ugh) or upgrade the motherboard to something even more expensive like the EVGA or Asus models. Not quite sure if the PSU actually fits in a prodigy, it might be a little to long, but I checked and your right about the 212. Thanks for the advice, Ill thinks about some more before I order tomorrow | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
For the heatsink, you can get a ZALMAN CNPS8900 or a COOLER MASTER GeminII M4 RR-GMM4-16PK-R2 problem with such small cases, you need a short PSU's, not ATX standard, only 140mm, in that area not a lot of choices but you already found one this one though is a much better unit (but it increasingly costs more also) : SILVERSTONE ST55F-G though the one you already selected would be enough for an hd7950 | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 19 2012 11:36 pinnacle wrote: Not quite sure if the PSU actually fits in a prodigy, it might be a little to long, but I checked and your right about the 212. Thanks for the advice, Ill thinks about some more before I order tomorrow Hm, I forgot that modular G Series (used to be overpriced; the non-360W models) are longer than the 360W model. Modular power supplies at 160mm are borderline for Prodigy apparently. They had pictures a while back of stuff like Seasonic X / Corsair AX fitting, and those are fully modular and 160mm long. It depends on the shape of the modular connectors, which I think are similar or the same. | ||
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Belial88
United States5217 Posts
On December 18 2012 19:00 Womwomwom wrote: NZXT Gamma wasn't anything special unless you were specifically looking for that look. The NZXT Source 210 is probably better though you can't expect much from these cheapass low end chassis. They're all basically using 0.6mm steel and hard mount hard drives (or close enough to hard mounting). If you don't care about vibrations, then don't worry but if you do then thick and dense build material is important and suspended hard drives are essential. Thanks. They both seem like the same case, except the source lacks anti-vibration pads for the psu (i mean i can get some 3m rubber tape, etc, not a big deal). They seem to be priced the same except the source 210 currently has a bunch of rebates/deals on newegg that make it significantly cheaper so if they are still around if i buy a new build, ill consider it. Seems to me that nzxt has the best sub$50 case either way though. | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 19 2012 12:08 Myrmidon wrote: Hm, I forgot that modular G Series (used to be overpriced; the non-360W models) are longer than the 360W model. Modular power supplies at 160mm are borderline for Prodigy apparently. They had pictures a while back of stuff like Seasonic X / Corsair AX fitting, and those are fully modular and 160mm long. It depends on the shape of the modular connectors, which I think are similar or the same. Haha blue is so cool. I would have nominated you, Medra, Skyr, and Wom XD. Where was that being discussed? | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
I know that WEI is silly and all, but it at least points toward the right general direction and I thought the 2370M was a slightly better processor, so those numbers are just really strange. | ||
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RiceAgainst
United States1849 Posts
EDIT: I know I could take the 660 and then just sell it, but I think I'm done trading things for other things for other things rather than just trading something for straight up cash. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 19 2012 16:18 Sein wrote: Is there a reason why i5-460M gets 6.8 on WEI while i3-2370M gets 3.7? I know that WEI is silly and all, but it at least points toward the right general direction and I thought the 2370M was a slightly better processor, so those numbers are just really strange. They should be pretty similar. Sandy Bridge is better, but the i5-460M runs up to 400MHz faster after Turbo Boost. 6.8 sounds right for i5-460M and matches what results notebookcheck shows. 3.7 is way off. Some kind of power saving, throttling, or other factor must be at play. If this score was achieved on some laptop you have access to, check CPU-Z or a similar program while it's running to confirm that it's operating at the 2.4 GHz it's supposed to be and do general troubleshooting. If the actual performance is a concern, maybe run some other standard benchmark to check? On December 19 2012 16:48 RiceAgainst wrote: Buying parts from newegg, can I get a gaming (SWTOR, SCII, Elder Scrolls, Mech Warrior) PC (non OC), 1080p w/ 250-325 USD given that I already have a GTX 660? Someone offered me a 660 for an SSD worth half the GPU but I don't know if I have money to buy parts to support the 660. EDIT: I know I could take the 660 and then just sell it, but I think I'm done trading things for other things for other things rather than just trading something for straight up cash. Around $300 for parts other than GPU only? It can be done with new parts on newegg. Something like $35 case, $40 power supply, $17 optical drive, $50 hard drive, $18 RAM, $50 motherboard, the rest on the CPU. Some prices may be a little lower or higher depending on sales. A modern low-end dual core can run most games at a level ranging from pretty acceptable to great. If you own any of the above already, you can spend more on the CPU. If you're brave (reckless?) and have some open space, you can run a computer without a case to save money—hopefully temporarily, getting one soon later. | ||
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Evs
Philippines330 Posts
US $750, but that is the converted amount of my budget. Most of the parts will we bought locally using pesos here in my country. What is your resolution? 1366 x 768 for now with my old monitor, I plan to buy a new monitor by June of next year (1920 x 1200) What are you using it for? General use, web surfing, and watching multimedia. I don't intend to use this for playing any new games since I don't think I'll have much free time next year. However, I like to play games I already own, mostly SC2 and older games that already ran with my old pc. . What is your upgrade cycle? 2 yrs When do you plan on building it? This week. Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Locally, here in the Philippines (South East Asia) My current build so far: CPU: Corel i3 3220 3.3 Ghz MOBO: Asus P8H77M-LE Intel H77 Memory: Kingston 4GB 1333 GPU: Powercolor HD 5670 1GB DDR3 128bit HDD: Seagate 1 TB OS: Win 7 Home Premium 64bit My last CPU was an i3 530 2.93Ghz, and the GPU was GT 220, will there be a noticeable difference here or will the performance for my PC stay the same? Most shops here don't list their full catalog online so I have to physically visit them to look for parts. I'd appreciate suggestions about the following: (willing to spend up to $250 for this 4 parts) Casing PSU UPS Speakers - not an audiophile, any decent, less than $100 system would do. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 19 2012 16:08 Alryk wrote: Haha blue is so cool. I would have nominated you, Medra, Skyr, and Wom XD. Where was that being discussed? Dont worry Im sure all 8 year forum veterans with a good posting history on the tech forums will get one. Ive only got like 6 years to go! | ||
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Sein
United States1811 Posts
On December 19 2012 17:15 Myrmidon wrote: They should be pretty similar. Sandy Bridge is better, but the i5-460M runs up to 400MHz faster after Turbo Boost. 6.8 sounds right for i5-460M and matches what results notebookcheck shows. 3.7 is way off. Some kind of power saving, throttling, or other factor must be at play. If this score was achieved on some laptop you have access to, check CPU-Z or a similar program while it's running to confirm that it's operating at the 2.4 GHz it's supposed to be and do general troubleshooting. If the actual performance is a concern, maybe run some other standard benchmark to check? Here is a screenshot of CPU-Z ![[image loading]](http://i.imgur.com/YXdTW.jpg) It says that the cpu is running at 800MHz. I guess this may explain that strange WEI, but I'm not sure exactly what's going on here. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
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rogenos
Austria24 Posts
What is your budget? Around 1k €, can go a bit above What is your resolution? 1280x1024 What are you using it for? Mainly gaming + streaming (dont need hd) What is your upgrade cycle? ~4 years When do you plan on building it? Within the next month, unless there is a good reason to wait. Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No. Where are you buying your parts from? Likely online, amazon? No SSD either or other fancy accessoires. Thanks in advance guys. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 19 2012 18:04 Evs wrote: + Show Spoiler + What is your budget? US $750, but that is the converted amount of my budget. Most of the parts will we bought locally using pesos here in my country. What is your resolution? 1366 x 768 for now with my old monitor, I plan to buy a new monitor by June of next year (1920 x 1200) What are you using it for? General use, web surfing, and watching multimedia. I don't intend to use this for playing any new games since I don't think I'll have much free time next year. However, I like to play games I already own, mostly SC2 and older games that already ran with my old pc. . What is your upgrade cycle? 2 yrs When do you plan on building it? This week. Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? Locally, here in the Philippines (South East Asia) My current build so far: CPU: Corel i3 3220 3.3 Ghz MOBO: Asus P8H77M-LE Intel H77 Memory: Kingston 4GB 1333 GPU: Powercolor HD 5670 1GB DDR3 128bit HDD: Seagate 1 TB OS: Win 7 Home Premium 64bit My last CPU was an i3 530 2.93Ghz, and the GPU was GT 220, will there be a noticeable difference here or will the performance for my PC stay the same? Most shops here don't list their full catalog online so I have to physically visit them to look for parts. I'd appreciate suggestions about the following: (willing to spend up to $250 for this 4 parts) Casing PSU UPS Speakers - not an audiophile, any decent, less than $100 system would do. Do you still own the computer with i3-530 and GT 220? i3-3220 is better than i3-530, but not by a huge amount, not really anything different for what you're using the computer for, except SC2 a bit. It's probably better to just keep the old computer and just replace the GT 220, which is bad. HD 5670 is a lot faster but still maybe not what you want unless you want to keep playing the older games on lower settings with the new monitor. Can you afford something like HD 7770, maybe last-gen HD 6850? On December 20 2012 04:17 rogenos wrote: + Show Spoiler + Want to replace my almost 5year old desktop with a decent gaming machine for streaming+gaming. Don't want to go for Ultra-settings. What is your budget? Around 1k €, can go a bit above What is your resolution? 1280x1024 What are you using it for? Mainly gaming + streaming (dont need hd) What is your upgrade cycle? ~4 years When do you plan on building it? Within the next month, unless there is a good reason to wait. Do you plan on overclocking? No Do you need an Operating System? No. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No. Where are you buying your parts from? Likely online, amazon? No SSD either or other fancy accessoires. Thanks in advance guys. Decent gaming computers don't cost 1000€, certainly not ones that can't overclock and don't have SSDs and don't require another Windows license. Something for less can vastly exceed your requirements. Would you rather spend closer to 1000€ and get something a little better, or save the money? Actually, because you list a resolution of 1280x1024, I would recommend spending money on a nicer monitor (still well within budget), unless you really like the old one for whatever reason. | ||
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rogenos
Austria24 Posts
Including a new monitor would be great. Hate my old one. Everything up to 1k € is totally fine for me. edit: if it's less, then that's great - no need to add better stuff just to get up to 1k. Just a simple build that is sufficient for me, always glad when I can save money and still get what I want.  | ||
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