|
When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly. |
I have to agree with Brawny, I'm sorry to say.
SkyR's posting seems to have gotten a bit more... aggressive sometimes. I wouldn't say he has any grudge against you, like he's intentionally hating on everyone who posts something bad, but it seems he hasn't been as 100% not mean as he used to be. I noticed this a while back, but I can't seem to pin an exact date.
I don't want to offend, it's just something I noticed. Maybe because I don't help out in here enough, but I do lurk a lot and I feel something's definitely off in some of his posts and replies. I was going to post something, but no one else seemed to notice, so I just waited a bit to confirm.
Here's something from 50 posts back.
On October 09 2012 09:19 skyR wrote:Show nested quote +On October 09 2012 09:17 PoweredbyYogurt wrote:
just a build list. anything i can get cheaper/better?
Case: Coolermaster Elite 430
MOBO:ASRock Z75 Pro3 LGA 1155 Intel Z75 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
GPU:EVGA SuperClocked 01G-P3-1461-KR GeForce GTX 560 (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support
PSU: Rosewill capstone 550w
CPU: i5 3.2gh sandy bridge quad core
RAM: Crucial Ballistix 8 GB
HDD: Hitachi deskstar 1 TB
Monitor: Asus 21.5 in LED Get the 450w variant instead. Core i5 3.2ghz isn't very descriptive... but it isn't a K suffix i5 so you don't need a Z75 board unless it's cheaper than the H77 or B75. 560 isn't that good for its price usually..
This post was what made me slightly worried.
On December 12 2012 17:25 skyR wrote:If you have no intention of overclocking than you do not need such an expensive Z77 board. 7870 is pretty overkill for two old games... Corsair Vengeance is overpriced and the absurd heatspreaders don't help either since those don't clear most heatsinks. DVD burner is overpriced. Silverstone Strider Essential is old and mediocre and you don't need 600w of power unless you are doing SLI / CrossfireX. A Rosewill Capstone 450 is significantly better. Seems like you did bad homework?
While I can sense the "..." tone there, he was not as aggressive a while back as he has been these last few pages. It seems like at sometimes recently it's a bit mean, and at others it's okay, or bordering on can't-tell-if-being-online-is-buffering-sarcasm-or-is-it-really-hatred type thing. I don't know exactly. If SkyR could clarify, it would be appreciated.
Admittedly, this seems to be very intermittent, and that post was not as hostile as Brawny described except for that "don't take hardware advice ever again", though it could possibly be perceived as such for some I guess, and adding the hardware part deflects the damage a bit.
|
Brawny was himself the "friend" he was referring to.
|
If you can't accept harsh criticism than why bother for an opinion? You already know your feelings are going to get hurt.
|
Why does it have to be harsh criticism though? Can we settle for normal criticism?
Lets do the harsh criticism thing for people recommending other people bad builds, because playing with other peoples money is pretty serious. For people who wanted to have a nice computer, spent a couple days looking at parts, and then posted a suggestion, I think we can be soft on those.
I understand we dont want TL tech support to be super inclusive, though. If we attract too many people we will get more corporate forum advertisers than we already have.
Asking a friend and then getting second opinions is a really good idea. Obviously this friend really missed the mark. I probably would have quipped the same thing though, not gonna lie.
I would have just stuck with saying the friend has some sort of AMD bias that's blind to what reality actually is.
|
Blisse, forum psychologist, lol  .
Well Brawny, if you come looking for (free) expert advice that will either save you money or improve the performance of your computer, and you get it, it is in fact rude to be upset that the (very accurate) advice wasn't given in the manner you prefer.
When you're paying a guy at the computer store to put together a build for you then, yeah, you can expect them to tip toe around your ego.
|
No, I was just worried.
At Brawny again, don't feel like any of it should be directed at you. It really was a stupid build. I get mad at people who offer bad advice (which is why I don't offer advice too much) + Show Spoiler +(Some guy on Facebook troubleshooted a driver issue 6 hours after hours of countless spam, where after concluding that a virus was possible, spent 4 more hours being an idiot about it instead of insisting on a full computer scan. To say the least, my opinion of him is not very high.)
Your friend should not have given you that advice in the first place, and while SkyR's advice wasn't exactly the nicest, it was very correct and with good intention. You can also take solace in the fact that he never not attacked you personally, but your friend and his build, which is a bit better since he's not really obligated to be nice to him at this point. After all, he did give you horrid advice and could have wasted several hundred needlessly (which is a lot in today's economy), though your friend may not have been aware of it. It could have been nicer though.
I wouldn't walk in with an expectation that this thread is the nicest place (everyone is really passionate about computers) and you're really asking for free advice where some people would charge for this information, so while no one here is entitled to be manner, everyone is here because everyone here really likes helping people, and giving good advice, so when someone gives bad advice, it's usually a big no-no.
+ Show Spoiler +I think the hardware-revolution guy used to do this for free until he got popular. Also explains that huge debacle a couple pages back. XD
So don't worry about it, and don't let this one time make you feel negatively towards SkyR. He's very informative and direct, and one of the main reasons this thread has existed for 1300 pages (dayum btw).
|
Hey guys decided to shell out for a capture card. I'll be starting off using only 1PC but eventually I'll convert my old rig into a dedicated streaming tower. I need some advice on which card to get as I have absolutely no clue. One of the games I stream is super CPU intensive so the cpu usage of the card must be minimal. I'm willing to spend up to around 200-250 and I've been looking at a AVerMedia C985 which retails for around 220AUD. I'm using OBS 720p @ 30fps atm but hoping for 1080p at some point.
|
I do not see how the aim of my posts are to insult or humiliate, maybe the recent Belial ones regarding a GTX 460 being better than a GTX 660, VRM is everything, buying used is buying new, and doing an extreme overclocking on a $40 motherboard? Sorry it's sort of hard to keep a cool head when I have such a hard time comprehending such <censored> statements.
How am I being an elitist? I am not dismissing non-existent opinions and am not looking down on the individual because of their lack of knowledge in a subject area. Ask for an opinion and I will give it to you. I am sorry if my choice of words do not sugarcoat the hard reality like your mom or preschool teacher. If you are so sensitive then you should know better and not ask for advice from others, especially on a public forum.
If I were to insult you, I would have called you an ***** a dozen times, told you that you should probably <censored> because <censored> <censored>, mentioned that you're a waste of oxygen and planet resources, you're a <censored><censored> and <censored>, did I mention that you're a <censored>, you <censored> <censored>, <censored>.
My post towards Brawny was not even remotely mean. I simply pointed out that his friend is making him throw away money in the wrong areas. If you cannot accept the fact that your friend is ignorant / do not want to be told this then don't ask, jeez... I never even called him an idiot or anything.
|
On December 17 2012 07:25 skyR wrote:
If you can't accept harsh criticism than why bother for an opinion? You already know your feelings are going to get hurt.
You seem to think it's impossible to give an opinion that isn't harsh. Sad.
And obviously if I thought my friend was a genius at computers I wouldn't have asked for any further opinions.
Also people in this thread seem to think that free expert advice is something that's rare. Cause it's not like there was about 10+ other places I could have gone to.
|
On December 17 2012 09:28 Brawny wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 07:25 skyR wrote:
If you can't accept harsh criticism than why bother for an opinion? You already know your feelings are going to get hurt. You seem to think it's impossible to give an opinion that isn't harsh. Sad. And obviously if I thought my friend was a genius at computers I wouldn't have asked for any further opinions. Also people in this thread seem to think that free expert advice is something that's rare. Cause it's not like there was about 10+ other places I could have gone to.
It won't hurt anyone's feelings if you go elsewhere. People don't mind helping, but don't get mad at skyR for being honest.
If he tries to be all cuddly about it, you may get the (very wrong) impression that your friend's advice was only marginally bad instead of horrid. If that happens, not only are you more likely to disregard the advice you get here (wasting people's time), you're also more likely to waste your own money. So it's a win all around to make the point clear.
|
+ Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 09:40 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 09:28 Brawny wrote:On December 17 2012 07:25 skyR wrote:
If you can't accept harsh criticism than why bother for an opinion? You already know your feelings are going to get hurt. You seem to think it's impossible to give an opinion that isn't harsh. Sad. And obviously if I thought my friend was a genius at computers I wouldn't have asked for any further opinions. Also people in this thread seem to think that free expert advice is something that's rare. Cause it's not like there was about 10+ other places I could have gone to. It won't hurt anyone's feelings if you go elsewhere. People don't mind helping, but don't get mad at skyR for being honest. If he tries to be all cuddly about it, you may get the (very wrong) impression that your friend's advice was only marginally bad instead of horrid. If that happens, not only are you more likely to disregard the advice you get here (wasting people's time), you're also more likely to waste your own money. So it's a win all around to make the point clear.
It's not a matter of hurting feelings, just don't try and say that this advice isn't something I can get other places.
You know there's a place between "asshole" advice and "cuddly", right? You people seem to think that I expect him to pat me on the head for trying. I'm saying that kind of posting scares away people who might otherwise become educated about computers.
but w/e, if you want to be pointlessly aggressive, go ahead.
|
On December 17 2012 09:44 Brawny wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 09:40 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 09:28 Brawny wrote:On December 17 2012 07:25 skyR wrote:
If you can't accept harsh criticism than why bother for an opinion? You already know your feelings are going to get hurt. You seem to think it's impossible to give an opinion that isn't harsh. Sad. And obviously if I thought my friend was a genius at computers I wouldn't have asked for any further opinions. Also people in this thread seem to think that free expert advice is something that's rare. Cause it's not like there was about 10+ other places I could have gone to. It won't hurt anyone's feelings if you go elsewhere. People don't mind helping, but don't get mad at skyR for being honest. If he tries to be all cuddly about it, you may get the (very wrong) impression that your friend's advice was only marginally bad instead of horrid. If that happens, not only are you more likely to disregard the advice you get here (wasting people's time), you're also more likely to waste your own money. So it's a win all around to make the point clear. It's not a matter of hurting feelings, just don't try and say that this advice isn't something I can get other places. You know there's a place between "asshole" advice and "cuddly", right? You people seem to think that I expect him to pat me on the head for trying. I'm saying that kind of posting scares away people who might otherwise become educated about computers. but w/e, if you want to be pointlessly aggressive, go ahead.
I have taken quite some harsh criticism on team liquid a few times, but when it comes to skyrs posts he knows what an all around gamer needs for their money. Honestly this guy WILL get you the bang for your buck you come in here asking for!
|
On December 17 2012 09:53 FlyingToilet wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 09:44 Brawny wrote:+ Show Spoiler +On December 17 2012 09:40 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 09:28 Brawny wrote:On December 17 2012 07:25 skyR wrote:
If you can't accept harsh criticism than why bother for an opinion? You already know your feelings are going to get hurt. You seem to think it's impossible to give an opinion that isn't harsh. Sad. And obviously if I thought my friend was a genius at computers I wouldn't have asked for any further opinions. Also people in this thread seem to think that free expert advice is something that's rare. Cause it's not like there was about 10+ other places I could have gone to. It won't hurt anyone's feelings if you go elsewhere. People don't mind helping, but don't get mad at skyR for being honest. If he tries to be all cuddly about it, you may get the (very wrong) impression that your friend's advice was only marginally bad instead of horrid. If that happens, not only are you more likely to disregard the advice you get here (wasting people's time), you're also more likely to waste your own money. So it's a win all around to make the point clear. It's not a matter of hurting feelings, just don't try and say that this advice isn't something I can get other places. You know there's a place between "asshole" advice and "cuddly", right? You people seem to think that I expect him to pat me on the head for trying. I'm saying that kind of posting scares away people who might otherwise become educated about computers. but w/e, if you want to be pointlessly aggressive, go ahead. I have taken quite some harsh criticism on team liquid a few times, but when it comes to skyrs posts he knows what an all around gamer needs for their money. Honestly this guy WILL get you the bang for your buck you come in here asking for!
I'll take your word for it.
Besides, half his post saying the parts suck and that they're a dumb choice.
The only ones where he actually gave any alternatives was the graphics card and the processor.
I'll respect him a bit more if half his responses weren't "meh".
|
If someone tells me the capture card I was leaning towards (thinly veiled /beg for advice on my earlier post) is no good, I'm not going to get butthurt that my choice was bad. Instead I'll be thankful I'm not wasting money on an inferior product/build and can use the savings on different hardware.
|
On December 17 2012 06:39 Brawny wrote:
Yes and there's thinly-veiled elitist hatred in his post. Yeah, pretty sure he really wanted to make fun of me.
No there isn't. That's just his personality. Skyr is probably one of the most respected people on the board, and he's just blunt. When a build is bad, there's no reason to go "well, it could have been better..." and sugar coat things when it's very obvious. You're welcome to stay away from the board, but that doesn't help you.
Part of it is the "relying totally on them" and then people being confused when they're told their builds suck. You can't get mad at him for seeming hostile when you've done next to no research yourself. And while you might have done some, it's obvious that you can't have put much effort into it - if you had, it would be extremely, extremely easy to figure out that 8GB ram is all that's necessary, and for example, pretty much every website there is says that bulldozer is bad for gaming.
Edit: Yes, he could have been less "you're awful" but the build was not very good. 5 minutes of research googling "best gaming cpu" would probably bring up Intel. Stuff like that. Anandtech has a huge amount of charts and such so that you can look at benchmarks. It's really easy to get marginally informed about computers.
You'll notice (at least imo) that most people will just say "FX is shit" when you post an FX build. It's not being rude; it's being honest. If I wanted to buy a 20 year old car for the same price as a brand new one with 3 times the MPG, I would be making a terrible decision, and there's no sugar coating to be had. A lot of the builds that he's "less harsh" on (at least imo, and this even goes for other people as well) tend to be ones where there are minor flaws, but it's obvious they've done SOME kind of research.
|
Once again, another person that seems to think that "stop being so hostile" means fucking asking for sugarcoating. /facepalm
|
On December 17 2012 10:17 Brawny wrote:
Once again, another person that seems to think that "stop being so hostile" means fucking asking for sugarcoating. /facepalm
No, it's more of a "why get all upset when you've clearly done literally zero research?" kind of post.
Like, literally the first link googling "best gaming CPU" is a tom's hardware link. And it would have pretty much pointed you to Intel.
Googling "How much ram do I need for gaming" also shows 8GB (albeit yahoo answers, but it's better than nothing and it's correct).
It's not hard to do research. If you come and just post a build without trying to do anything, and the build is awful, don't get upset when somebody says "the build is awful" and not "the build could have been better," because that's not exactly accurate (it is, but not in the way that it seems).
|
I'm less so offended that he called it bad and more so than he called it bad and listed little to no alternatives. but w/e, keep defending the guy whose post is half "meh"
|
On December 17 2012 10:28 Brawny wrote:
I'm less so offended that he called it bad and more so than he called it bad and listed little to no alternatives. but w/e, keep defending the guy whose post is half "meh"
The entire list sucks. Never take hardware advice from your friend ever again.
FX4100 sucks... A core i3 is significantly better for gaming. Even the older Phenom II X4 is better.
Motherboard is too expensive... especially when you can't afford good products elsewhere.
Gaming does not come close to using 8gb.... yet alone 16gb. Plus 1866MHz memory is a stupid way to throw away money since it only provides 1-2 FPS over the typical 1600MHz cas9 memory which can be had for like $30. Throw your money away on the CPU, GPU, and every other component first before on stupid memory...
Kingston SSDNow V+200 sucks in comparison to Samsung 830, Samsung 840, Intel 520, Crucial M4, and a dozen more SSDs that can be found for the same price or less. And unless you plan on doing nothing but play only Starcraft II and a few other games, I'd suggest you get a HDD since 128gb is very little space.
7750 is better than the 6670 for the same price or less. These two cards aren't exactly powerful enough to play the latest games on reasonably high settings at a comfortable framerate though... so depending on the games you are going to play, I'd suggest you to consider putting off the SSD until later and spending more on the GPU.
Bolded the alternatives, since you skipped everything after the first sentence that got you offended.
|
On December 17 2012 10:45 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On December 17 2012 10:28 Brawny wrote:
I'm less so offended that he called it bad and more so than he called it bad and listed little to no alternatives. but w/e, keep defending the guy whose post is half "meh" Show nested quote +The entire list sucks. Never take hardware advice from your friend ever again.
FX4100 sucks... A core i3 is significantly better for gaming. Even the older Phenom II X4 is better.
Motherboard is too expensive... especially when you can't afford good products elsewhere.
Gaming does not come close to using 8gb.... yet alone 16gb. Plus 1866MHz memory is a stupid way to throw away money since it only provides 1-2 FPS over the typical 1600MHz cas9 memory which can be had for like $30. Throw your money away on the CPU, GPU, and every other component first before on stupid memory...
Kingston SSDNow V+200 sucks in comparison to Samsung 830, Samsung 840, Intel 520, Crucial M4, and a dozen more SSDs that can be found for the same price or less. And unless you plan on doing nothing but play only Starcraft II and a few other games, I'd suggest you get a HDD since 128gb is very little space.
7750 is better than the 6670 for the same price or less. These two cards aren't exactly powerful enough to play the latest games on reasonably high settings at a comfortable framerate though... so depending on the games you are going to play, I'd suggest you to consider putting off the SSD until later and spending more on the GPU.
Bolded the alternatives, since you skipped everything after the first sentence that got you offended.
If I'm so incompetent that I can't put together a good build, what makes you think I know what the hell he's talking about when he says 6670, 7750? I had found the ram by googling and I thank him for that but giving just a combination of 4 numbers isn't really helpful. And the hard drive recommendations weren't even alternatives because right afterwards he said that getting an SSD is pointless at 128gb.
|
|
|
|
|
|
EPT
