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Aqualoung
22 Posts
CPU: i3-2100 MB: :ASUS P8B75-V, iB75 RAM: 2x2 GB 1.5v 1333 Mhz GPU: GTX 650 Ti 1GB PSU: CORSAIR CX430 HDD: 1 TB WD Caviar blue, 64mb, 7200rpm SSD: Samsuing PM830- 64gb CASE: .. Depending on the offer I get,but most probably, CPU will probably be upped to i5 3450 / i5 2400. Thx for help  | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
I'll just say this, I regret getting an i5-3570k and not an i7-3770k now that I'm trying to stream. I've had to buy a capture card (more than the upgrade price of the i5 > i7) to be able to stream some of the games I play. | ||
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number01
203 Posts
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Medrea
10003 Posts
On December 21 2012 19:42 Belial88 wrote: it'll do 1080. I'd recommend you look into a capture card. I dont know if it'll be worth it but what your asking for and what you do is a little over, i think, many people's expertise here. You should also really consider overclocking. You really need to overclock to make it shine, despite what some have said, you WILL notice a huge difference in overclocking, even 200mhz will be a huge difference. You dont have to do it all at once, and overclocking only gets difficult when trying to fine tune it to the closest 10mhz. You could also 'fire and forget' by just turning your voltage to 1.3vcore, 4.8ghz, and just game on. If it ever crashes, you just slightly up voltage or decrease clock, but i dont think that'll be an issue for just gaming stable. You can figure more out on your own (just increase turbo multiplier, and core voltage). If you dont know how to overclock, you dont have to do it right away. You could just not buy the Antec 620 and PK3 paste, maybe put that extra $60 towards a slightly higher end case, HDD/SDD, whatever, learn how to overclock and just do a minor overclock on your stock cooler, and then buy the cooler at a later date when you got it all figured out. 1.3v is pretty aggressive on an IB. You can get to 4.4ghz at around 1.05 volts or a bit higher depending on your luck. If you are looking for something like 1.4v for 4.8 or higher then you dont really know Ivy Bridge very well. 4.8 ghz can be done for like 1.2v. I would qualify 1.3v as "fire and forget" voltage to be bad and maybe even dangerous advice. Also consider you are adding about 6-10 watts per .05 volts. And the fact that you recommend upping the voltage if it doesnt work? I don't like that at all. Thats too cavalier. Better to do something like 4.6ghz at 1.1v Ivy Bridge gets temperamental past 4.6ghz anyway. | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
On December 21 2012 23:16 Medrea wrote: 1.3v is pretty aggressive on an IB. You can get to 4.4ghz at around 1.05 volts or a bit higher depending on your luck. If you are looking for something like 1.4v for 4.8 or higher then you dont really know Ivy Bridge very well. 4.8 ghz can be done for like 1.2v. I would qualify 1.3v as "fire and forget" voltage to be bad and maybe even dangerous advice. Also consider you are adding about 6-10 watts per .05 volts. And the fact that you recommend upping the voltage if it doesnt work? I don't like that at all. Thats too cavalier. Better to do something like 4.6ghz at 1.1v Ivy Bridge gets temperamental past 4.6ghz anyway. I had to bump my 3570k to 1.3 to get mine stable at 4.6ghz, really can depend on your chip. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 21 2012 22:40 Az0r_au wrote: @masterbreti I'll just say this, I regret getting an i5-3570k and not an i7-3770k now that I'm trying to stream. I've had to buy a capture card (more than the upgrade price of the i5 > i7) to be able to stream some of the games I play. Again should be worth noting that Xeon E3-1230 V2 is essentially an i7 for $60 less. If you're not overclocking and not using a k version processor, may as well get the Xeon. Socket 1155 Xeon that is. And not models below 1230. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Yes, voltage doesnt get enough respect. Its very very dangerous. Overclocking and heat won't generally hurt your processor, as there are safeguards to prevent this. Myrmidon whats the event that happens when too much voltage causes electrons to jump off the track and fire to one side of the processor, ripping an electronic hole through everything in the process? And then that often pushes another electron off the track causing a chain reaction. Its on the tip of my tongue. I know its not HCI and electron migration. Though these will degrade processors. | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
On December 22 2012 03:00 Myrmidon wrote: I don't really know much about modern-day transistor processes (so my intuition could be way off), but I always get the feeling like "enthusiasts" are way too aggressive on voltage and unnecessarily scared of high temperatures. The only people that are really pushing dangerous levels are those going for the crazy OC's on nitrogen or helium. IB is just really finicky. I got to 4.2 with no voltage increase then in the space of 4.2>4.6 I had to go bananas with the voltage. I think the fear of high temps carries over from previous generations of chips that didn't throttle and could literally just melt if you pushed them too far. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On December 22 2012 03:01 Medrea wrote: Myrmidon whats the event that happens when too much voltage causes electrons to jump off the track and fire to one side of the processor, ripping an electronic hole through everything in the process? Tell me if you remember. That would be the first I'd heard of that phenomenon. Is that really one electron? Seems a long way for one electron to go. On December 22 2012 03:32 Az0r_au wrote: The only people that are really pushing dangerous levels are those going for the crazy OC's on nitrogen or helium. IB is just really finicky. I got to 4.2 with no voltage increase then in the space of 4.2>4.6 I had to go bananas with the voltage. I think the fear of high temps carries over from previous generations of chips that didn't throttle and could literally just melt if you pushed them too far. I'd say 1.3V is generally a lot too, just maybe not at the insane levels. (at least for one who plans to use the thing for many years, not somebody with a tray of processors or even just somebody who upgrades frequently, almost every generation) Depends on usage obviously. I don't read AnandTech forums, but while we're on the subject, I think this is a little interesting: http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=2243736 Just read the posts by MrDudeMan and pm. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Consider the electron hole. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Electron_hole And how it is basically the building block of electricity. You are dependent on having just the one hole. When an additional electron charge leaves the circuit, it creates a charge and immediately speeds up and away from the other parts of the processor which are negatively charged as well (think of what happens when you snap two magnets apart in your fingers). The additional charge causes the next electron in the line to have a high chance of breaking out of the chain (because now we have two holes), this exists until a free electron enters the stream (because we are at a positive charge at that point in time) often at a super fast pace, fast enough to pop another electron out. Anyway since we are applying the same level of potential difference across the whole circuit, it basically tears itself apart. This is a nonstop runaway effect. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hot_carrier_injection | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
Hot-carrier injection is just local though, right? Charge carrier moves from one of the conductive channels into the dielectric, thus slightly screwing up the properties of said dielectric? | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
Damn I cant remember lol. We even have safeguards against it so that the processor has time to shutdown before it rips itself apart. People think processors melt from too much voltage but this actually happens first. | ||
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Rollin
Australia1552 Posts
On December 21 2012 22:40 Az0r_au wrote: @masterbreti I'll just say this, I regret getting an i5-3570k and not an i7-3770k now that I'm trying to stream. I've had to buy a capture card (more than the upgrade price of the i5 > i7) to be able to stream some of the games I play. The capture card will help your ingame fps as it aleviates the burden of streaming. The 3770k would not have changed ingame fps at all. The 3770k might have been able to do an extra quality setting, but it's not particularly likely. Also consider you'll be running at a lower frequency because of the additional loading during stresstesting, so the marginally larger cache may not offset the lower clocks as far as game performance. | ||
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Az0r_au
Australia385 Posts
On December 22 2012 05:12 Rollin wrote: The capture card will help your ingame fps as it aleviates the burden of streaming. The 3770k would not have changed ingame fps at all. The 3770k might have been able to do an extra quality setting, but it's not particularly likely. Also consider you'll be running at a lower frequency because of the additional loading during stresstesting, so the marginally larger cache may not offset the lower clocks as far as game performance. One of my teammates run an I7 and he's able to stream with higher in game FPS than I'm able to achieve w/o the capture card. Hyperthreading really helps out. *edit* For purely ingame FPS when not streaming I win out b/c of my higher OC and the game not making use of the extra cores on the i7. | ||
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
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a176
Canada6688 Posts
On December 21 2012 22:40 Aqualoung wrote: Hello, thx everyone for helping the other day, I've come up with what will probably be a final build, so I would like some final coments. I've reduced the RAM to 4gb from 8gb, switched caviar black to blue and some other things. Probably this will get me enough to up the CPU to i5 in the end. CPU: i3-2100 MB: :ASUS P8B75-V, iB75 RAM: 2x2 GB 1.5v 1333 Mhz GPU: GTX 650 Ti 1GB PSU: CORSAIR CX430 HDD: 1 TB WD Caviar blue, 64mb, 7200rpm SSD: Samsuing PM830- 64gb CASE: .. Depending on the offer I get,but most probably, CPU will probably be upped to i5 3450 / i5 2400. Thx for help going through your posts in this thread i didnt notice a budget ... but i will say if you can aim for a 128gb ssd (~$100). 64gb formatted you will end up with something around 55~ gb (iirc) of usuable space. that can be potentially very limiting | ||
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Alryk
United States2718 Posts
On December 21 2012 19:35 masterbreti wrote: Sounds perfect. That should do me for 1080 right? or will I have to do 720p at 60 fps? Either one is fine. I do intend on buying a capture card unless I really don't need one. Looks like it'll cost about 1000 which is okay for me. thank you so much for your guys' help. I really do apperciate it. Like we've said though, come back in January and repost (you're the one building in Jan?). There will be new deals etc. and you'll have a better selection per price. | ||
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nukkuj
Finland403 Posts
CPU: Intel i5 750 GPU: AMD Radeon HD5850 Memory: 4GB 1066Mhz DDR3 MOBO: Asus H55 or something Monitor: BenQ XL2410T Budget for new computer: 1000 EUR CPU: Intel i5-3570K - 225 EUR GPU: Asus Nvidia GTX670 - 399 EUR Memory: 16GB Kingston HyperX 1600Mhz DDR3 - 85 EUR Mobo: Asus P8Z77-V LX2 - 100 EUR going to move SSD/HDD/PSU/case to new computer from old one Still thinking about buying BlackMagic Design Intensity Pro for streaming/video capturing. Guildwars 2 crushes my computer in world vs. world fights, getting well below 20 fps with lowest settings in critical fights. I'm not even streaming/capturing video with current system and I would like to do that as it would be somewhat similar to replays in SC2. However, my display is 120hz monitor which might not support 120hz through HDMI(Blackmagic uses HDMI).  How would it be possible to use my second computer as a recording computer with Blackmagic? Would it work if I would Plug HDMI between Blackmagic's input and monitor's HMDI slot while doing the actual output with new computer and using Dual-DVI as the output line? Or does the DVI and HDMI work independantly so both are not active at the same time or do I need a separate DVI splitter/ Y-cable w/HDMI adapter? Also, is it bad time to upgrade as Intel's next generation processors are coming in Q2 2013? Nvidia next gen will arrive in 2014, so that's somewhat long time to wait. | ||
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masterbreti
Korea (South)2711 Posts
On December 22 2012 07:21 Alryk wrote: Like we've said though, come back in January and repost (you're the one building in Jan?). There will be new deals etc. and you'll have a better selection per price. You guys have given me a good idea of what I need, price isn't a huge issue, and I know what I will need vs knowing nothing at all. I know everything will change in Janurary in terms of prices and such, I don't seeing them going extremely higher in cost though. | ||
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