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On September 12 2012 05:47 colblitz wrote:
Are there any good options for a cheap graphics card (for adding on an extra 1920 x 1080 monitor) that's PCI or PCIe x1?
Unless you're already running dual monitors, you shouldn't need a second GPU, unless you're running off integrated.
When you say PCIe x1, do you mean a slot that actually fits the physical PCIe x1 standard, or is it a full sized slot that only has x1 bandwidth? If it's the latter, any PCIe card will be backwards compatible, just not run full speed. If it's the former, good luck.
And trying to get a PCI GPU is at best throwing good money after bad, I believe.
Well, technically, something like this...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130466
But ugh. As far as performance per dollar, it's going to be shit, but if all you need is extra available viewing area for a PC with a truly terrible or no GPU, it's technically viable.
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On September 12 2012 06:02 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 05:47 colblitz wrote:
Are there any good options for a cheap graphics card (for adding on an extra 1920 x 1080 monitor) that's PCI or PCIe x1? Unless you're already running dual monitors, you shouldn't need a second GPU, unless you're running off integrated. When you say PCIe x1, do you mean a slot that actually fits the physical PCIe x1 standard, or is it a full sized slot that only has x1 bandwidth? If it's the latter, any PCIe card will be backwards compatible, just not run full speed. If it's the former, good luck. And trying to get a PCI GPU is at best throwing good money after bad, I believe. Well, technically, something like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130466But ugh. As far as performance per dollar, it's going to be shit, but if all you need is extra available viewing area for a PC with a truly terrible or no GPU, it's technically viable.
Yeah, this is for a third monitor - and yeah, I mean the physical small PCIe x1. The problem is that I have a ASRock H61M/U3S3 mobo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236), and the single PCIe slot is already taken up by the current card (GTS 450), which can't support triple monitors itself. So my options besides getting a PCI/PCIe x1 card would be to get another mobo with more slots, or get a better graphics card, but I was hoping to do it as cheaply as possible without having components left over :-\
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On September 12 2012 06:37 colblitz wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 06:02 JingleHell wrote:On September 12 2012 05:47 colblitz wrote:
Are there any good options for a cheap graphics card (for adding on an extra 1920 x 1080 monitor) that's PCI or PCIe x1? Unless you're already running dual monitors, you shouldn't need a second GPU, unless you're running off integrated. When you say PCIe x1, do you mean a slot that actually fits the physical PCIe x1 standard, or is it a full sized slot that only has x1 bandwidth? If it's the latter, any PCIe card will be backwards compatible, just not run full speed. If it's the former, good luck. And trying to get a PCI GPU is at best throwing good money after bad, I believe. Well, technically, something like this... http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814130466But ugh. As far as performance per dollar, it's going to be shit, but if all you need is extra available viewing area for a PC with a truly terrible or no GPU, it's technically viable. Yeah, this is for a third monitor - and yeah, I mean the physical small PCIe x1. The problem is that I have a ASRock H61M/U3S3 mobo (http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157236), and the single PCIe slot is already taken up by the current card (GTS 450), which can't support triple monitors itself. So my options besides getting a PCI/PCIe x1 card would be to get another mobo with more slots, or get a better graphics card, but I was hoping to do it as cheaply as possible without having components left over :-\
Well, newegg has PCI and PCIe x1 available, but understand that anything in either is going to be worthless for anything beyond what you're asking of it.
The one I linked is the rock bottom of the price range, but you can shop around if you'd prefer more "performance".
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Check the BIOS. On some 6 series / 7 series motherboards (I have no idea about which), you can use the processor integrated graphics along with the discrete graphics card. The integrated graphics can handle a 3rd monitor. Check for maybe some setting for turning the integrated graphics on, so it's not disabled—this may not be available, it may not matter, it may make the difference, or it may not work at all.
Anyway, try plugging a monitor into the integrated graphics and letting us know how it goes.
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I am at my wits end here.
I bought another Sapphire 7970 to replace my XFX 7970 because the XFX was overheating since it scored a 56.9 percent on ASIC scale. Which is a fairly abysmal score.
Thats ok we got you says newegg. Full refund. New Sapphire card.
ASIC score = 55.7%
Fuck my life. These are the two lowest scores Ive ever heard of.
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That is weird. Unlike XFX, Sapphire is supposed to be well-reviewed. Though I suppose if it's reference that goes out the window.
Poor Medrea  .
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Well, is the new one melting too? If not, still an improvement, right?
Maybe you're being trolled by someone who's trying to increase turnover in used high-end cards. What software you rating em with?
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CGminer to put the cards under load.
GPU-z to read the ASIC quality. Remember that ASIC quality is a value thats written directly into the chip at manufacturing time. There is no test that takes place. Its a simple string value.
Likewise nVidia and AMD are not cross comparable since nVidia seems to fluff up the values a bit (over 100 percent has been reported which is of course physically impossible).
What I have are two cards that I bet would be the dream of anyone with the intent on waterblocking and overclocking as far as they can go since they are evidently super stable as long as you can dissipate the heat. But I dont need that, I need low leakage and Im all about the air cooling.
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Hi Guys, my friend recently got given some ridiculous (compared to my Asus g73jw-a1) computer and it burns me up inside that his computer is better than mine. So in spite of him i've decided to upgrade and hopefully blow him out of the water.
Any suggestions or help would be amazing!
What is your budget?
1k - 1.2k
What is your resolution?
1920x1080
What are you using it for?
gaming main priority - I do want a sound card capable of 5.1
What is your upgrade cycle?
1-2 years
When do you plan on building it?
With-in the next 2 weeks
Do you plan on overclocking?
No plans to overclock
Do you need an OS?
I have a CD of windows 7 from my laptop but im not sure if it can be used again? If not chose without the OS anyway.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No
Where are you buying your parts from?
http://www.mwave.com.au/
Thanks!
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Here you guys go.
+ Show Spoiler +
Ambient is about 62F so on an 85F day you can add about 10 to 15 celcius to those values.
Something interesting did happen though. Bitcoin rigs that do nothing but mine are all quad GPU sandwhiches with either fan cards or blower models but this is the first chance I have had to actually mix and match.
Even though right now the second 7970 blower has replaced the 5830 fan, ambient case temperatures (as reflected by the 5770 in the picture) have actually leveled off or or dropped.
So even though its true that fan cards dissipate heat better, it looks like 2 is the magic number where blower cards take over. Ill have to grab a 3rd reference model and see what happens.
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Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor $199.99 @ NCIX US
Motherboard ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $69.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $56.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital Scorpio Blue 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $108.98 @ Outlet PC
Storage Intel 520 Series Cherryville 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $129.00 @ B&H
Video Card HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card $199.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Rosewill 630W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $59.99 @ Newegg
Optical Drive Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $74.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) $90.49 @ Amazon
Total
Prices include shipping and discounts when available. $1040.39
Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-11 19:20 EDT-0400
Probably going to go for this as a build. feedback please.
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Hi all. I have had a very terrible computer for a very long time and have decided that it is time to upgrade it. I am thinking that I want an i5. I really dont know what else would be good.
What is your budget?
600-700 USD, varies because I am not buying a new one I am just upgrading an old one (everything needs upgrading) so I can do it slowly.
What is your resolution?
Dunno. Sorry
What are you using it for?
Gaming.
What is your upgrade cycle?
3-4 years.
When do you plan on building it?
From a year to 2.
Do you plan on overclocking?
No.
Do you need an Operating System?
No.
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Newegg or Tigerdirect.
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On September 12 2012 09:24 inpablowetrust wrote:
Type Item Price
CPU Intel Core i5-2500K 3.3GHz Quad-Core Processor $199.99 @ NCIX US
Motherboard ASRock H77M Micro ATX LGA1155 Motherboard $69.99 @ Newegg
Memory G.Skill Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory $56.99 @ Newegg
Storage Western Digital Scorpio Blue 1TB 2.5" 5400RPM Internal Hard Drive $108.98 @ Outlet PC
Storage Intel 520 Series Cherryville 120GB 2.5" Solid State Disk $129.00 @ B&H
Video Card HIS Radeon HD 7850 2GB Video Card $199.99 @ Newegg
Case Rosewill CHALLENGER ATX Mid Tower Case $49.99 @ Newegg
Power Supply Rosewill 630W 80 PLUS Certified ATX12V / EPS12V Power Supply $59.99 @ Newegg
Optical Drive Asus BW-12B1ST/BLK/G/AS Blu-Ray/DVD/CD Writer $74.98 @ Newegg
Operating System Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium SP1 (64-bit) $90.49 @ Amazon
Total
Prices include shipping and discounts when available. $1040.39
Generated by PCPartPicker 2012-09-11 19:20 EDT-0400
Probably going to go for this as a build. feedback please.
1) You need to update your Team Liquid profile, as it shows you from the UK.
2) i5-2500k is last-gen. Also, you can't overclock it on an H77 board, so you are probably overpaying for the 'K'. You want an i5-3570k +z77 board+aftermarket cooler or an i5-3450, 3470, 3550, or 3570 (sans-K) with that H77 board.
3)Ought to get a Crucial M4, Samsung 830 or Intel 330 instead of the 520 for less.
4)PSU is overkill. There are generally good low-cost options on NCIX.
5)Blu-ray is useless unless you already have a library of blu-ray media to enjoy. And if so, why do you not already have a blu-ray player?
6)PCPartPicker is often out of date, so you probably shouldn't rely on it entirely to pick parts. Rather, visit newegg and ncix separately. NCIX is often late to be updated on pcpartpicker.
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@Grotchen
If you don't know your resolution, list your monitor model (should be written on the back). Or right click on your desktop to go to screen settings/screen resolution to see what the largest permissible option is.
On September 12 2012 08:55 HologramUpg wrote:+ Show Spoiler +Hi Guys, my friend recently got given some ridiculous (compared to my Asus g73jw-a1) computer and it burns me up inside that his computer is better than mine. So in spite of him i've decided to upgrade and hopefully blow him out of the water. Any suggestions or help would be amazing! What is your budget? 1k - 1.2k What is your resolution? 1920x1080 What are you using it for? gaming main priority - I do want a sound card capable of 5.1 What is your upgrade cycle? 1-2 years When do you plan on building it? With-in the next 2 weeks Do you plan on overclocking? No plans to overclock Do you need an OS? I have a CD of windows 7 from my laptop but im not sure if it can be used again? If not chose without the OS anyway. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? http://www.mwave.com.au/Thanks!
Supporting components: $405
Case & PSU prices are bad at your preferred website, but the Sonata IV isn't too bad for a quietish case w/quality power supply. Add in a Plextor 128gb SSD (put your favorite programs here), a 2tb green hard drive because why not, it was a very cheap 2tb (overflow & media storage), and a dvd-burner.
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Core Components: $382
An i5-3570 for basically the best gaming CPU that can't be overclocked. An Asrock z77 board - z77 is unnecessary but there weren't any significantly cheaper ATX boards, so why not have the ability to crossfire, even if you'll never use it? 8gb of 1600mhz RAM
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Video Card: $345
Gigabyte 7950. Very good & can be overclocked.
http://www.mwave.com.au/sku-42060823-Gigabyte_AMD_Radeon_HD_7950_Overclocked_3GB_384_bit_DDR5_RAM_900_5000MHz_Clocks
Tower total: $1132
I didn't include a sound card, as the on-board sound on the motherboard advertises as being capable of 7.1 on its own. If you really want a sound card, you can get an Asus Xonar DG (PCI version) for $32 or a tiny upgrade to an Asus Xonar D1 (PCI version) for $80. If you get one, put it in the last slot on the motherboard, far from the video card.
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On September 12 2012 08:57 Medrea wrote:Here you guys go. + Show Spoiler +Ambient is about 62 F so on an 85F day you can add about 10 to 15 celcius to those values. Something interesting did happen though. Bitcoin rigs that do nothing but mine are all quad GPU sandwhiches with either fan cards or blower models but this is the first chance I have had to actually mix and match. Even though right now the second 7970 blower has replaced the 5830 fan, ambient case temperatures (as reflected by the 5770 in the picture) have actually leveled off or or dropped. So even though its true that fan cards dissipate heat better, it looks like 2 is the magic number where blower cards take over. Ill have to grab a 3rd reference model and see what happens.
I could have told you this. Even if you have a free double slot's worth of space between them, blowers are still a fair bit cooler, at least in my anecdotal nearly non-existent sample size of 2 SLI builds I've used.
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Either way im not too happy I got two 7970's that must have just barely lurched over the tolerance line.
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On September 12 2012 10:59 Medrea wrote:
Either way im not too happy I got two 7970's that must have just barely lurched over the tolerance line.
Well, maybe it's time for you to do some oil immersion.
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On September 12 2012 07:10 Myrmidon wrote:
Check the BIOS. On some 6 series / 7 series motherboards (I have no idea about which), you can use the processor integrated graphics along with the discrete graphics card. The integrated graphics can handle a 3rd monitor. Check for maybe some setting for turning the integrated graphics on, so it's not disabled—this may not be available, it may not matter, it may make the difference, or it may not work at all.
Anyway, try plugging a monitor into the integrated graphics and letting us know how it goes.
Got the integrated graphics to work, though it took a while for me to realize that I didn't have the correct drivers -__-
Thanks for the advice Myrmidon and JingleHell :D
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On September 12 2012 11:02 JingleHell wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 10:59 Medrea wrote:
Either way im not too happy I got two 7970's that must have just barely lurched over the tolerance line. Well, maybe it's time for you to do some oil immersion.
Its the power consumption Im getting worked up over. I don't care for highest clock rate I care for power per clock.
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On September 12 2012 11:17 Medrea wrote:Show nested quote +On September 12 2012 11:02 JingleHell wrote:On September 12 2012 10:59 Medrea wrote:
Either way im not too happy I got two 7970's that must have just barely lurched over the tolerance line. Well, maybe it's time for you to do some oil immersion. Its the power consumption Im getting worked up over. I don't care for highest clock rate I care for power per clock.
Well, if you want minimum power consumption, unplug it from the wall? /troll
<3 Sucks you got a bad sample.
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