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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
Rkuro
Profile Joined June 2011
United States43 Posts
September 13 2012 01:45 GMT
#24641
http://pcpartpicker.com/parts/partlist/
Put my order in today! wish me luck
I got everything from newegg so its a bit more xpensive than whats shown
Thanks to all! especially skyR!! <-- god among men ^_^
There is but one, and I am he
Nazty12
Profile Joined September 2012
United States5 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 13:00:51
September 13 2012 12:53 GMT
#24642
This will be my first attempt at building my own PC. I went to BestBuy to maybe get some advice and the guy there sent me here. I mostly play WoW and I want to get into LoL but for all intensive purposes I really just want the system to run WoW at high-max settings.

What is your budget?
Right now I am in college and have a very small budget. I would like to stay as close to $500 USD as possible.

What is your resolution?
I'm not really sure what this means when it comes to building a PC but the monitor I am looking into buying is rated at 1600x900 native resolution. (If this is not what was meant by the question please let me know.)

What are you using it for?
Like I said I really just want it to run WoW like a champ, and maybe be able to do some light photo editing.(Nothing too over the top.)

What is your upgrade cycle?
Right now I'm not really sure. Ive owned the same laptop for almost 5 years. But I will (hopefully) be graduating and getting a real job soon, so I might have a shorter upgrade cycle than that. So, like 2-3 years?

When do you plan on building it?
ASAP. You may or may not be aware that the new expansion for WoW is coming out soon and I'd like to have it built and running before then.

Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't really understand this concept 100% yet, so, most likely not.

Do you need an Operating System?
I do. However, I've been told with a student discount Windows 7 should only be around $30 USD.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in the US. Most likely newegg.com, but I am open to any other suggestions if there are cheaper/more reliable sites.

Thanks for looking this over. And again I am new at this, so be as gentle as you can.
Wartortle
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia504 Posts
September 13 2012 14:20 GMT
#24643
Ive been mucking around with overclocking my HIS iceq x 7870 turbo, and ive ended up putting the clocks at 1400/1450. I havent touched the voltage i just used catalyst. Is this safe? Every guide for OCing this card had way lower settings. Its running at 34 degress at room temp and 55 at load. I havent seen any problems yet in any games. Should I leave it this way? Is there any risk?
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 14:24:26
September 13 2012 14:23 GMT
#24644
On September 13 2012 23:20 Wartortle wrote:
Ive been mucking around with overclocking my HIS iceq x 7870 turbo, and ive ended up putting the clocks at 1400/1450. I havent touched the voltage i just used catalyst. Is this safe? Every guide for OCing this card had way lower settings. Its running at 34 degress at room temp and 55 at load. I havent seen any problems yet in any games. Should I leave it this way? Is there any risk?

Short answer, no.

Longer answer, not really, but it does depend on chip. As long as you don't touch voltage, there really is an insignificant risk of it failing somewhat faster, but nothing is to say it wouldn't have failed at stock in the same manner. If you can get those clocks at stock voltage and those temperatures, just be happy you got a very very nice card. If you see any artifacts, don't hesitate to knock the clocks back a little though.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 13 2012 14:31 GMT
#24645
On September 13 2012 23:23 Rollin wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 23:20 Wartortle wrote:
Ive been mucking around with overclocking my HIS iceq x 7870 turbo, and ive ended up putting the clocks at 1400/1450. I havent touched the voltage i just used catalyst. Is this safe? Every guide for OCing this card had way lower settings. Its running at 34 degress at room temp and 55 at load. I havent seen any problems yet in any games. Should I leave it this way? Is there any risk?

Short answer, no.

Longer answer, not really, but it does depend on chip. As long as you don't touch voltage, there really is an insignificant risk of it failing somewhat faster, but nothing is to say it wouldn't have failed at stock in the same manner. If you can get those clocks at stock voltage and those temperatures, just be happy you got a very very nice card. If you see any artifacts, don't hesitate to knock the clocks back a little though.


To expand, I'd suggest running some form of real stress test for stability and temps, just for peace of mind.

Sure, stressing is frequently above and beyond gaming loads, but that's the point. Make sure it's not going to have problems if and when you buy a different game.
Rollin
Profile Joined March 2011
Australia1552 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 15:00:45
September 13 2012 14:59 GMT
#24646
On September 13 2012 21:53 Nazty12 wrote:
This will be my first attempt at building my own PC. I went to BestBuy to maybe get some advice and the guy there sent me here.

Haha that's awesome.

Some ideas:
CPU:
i3-2220, $130 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775
Fast dual core with hyper threading. WoW can only use two cores, and the hyperthreading may be of benefit for serious image processing, probably not though, but meh.

Motherboard:
Cheap, decent B75, $65 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157313

GPU:
HD 7770, $125 ($110 AMIR) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102967
Look around for a special if you have the time, you can get some good bargains on low end gpus these days.

RAM:
2 x 4GB, $33 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424
Nothing to see here, could get 2x2GB if you're feeling cheap .

Random DVD drive:
$17 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247

HDD/SSD:
120GB ssd - $95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121
or
500GB hdd - $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148767
Up to you, performance or storage. WoW may benefit from faster texture streaming from the ssd (second hand information).

PSU:
Earthwatts 380D - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

Total: $510 (495 AMIR) with SSD, $485 (470 AMIR) with HDD. Specials/deals could make the above significantly cheaper.
Throw off those chains of reason, and your prison disappears. | Check your posting frequency timeline: http://www.teamliquid.net/mytlnet/post_activity_img.php
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 17:01:20
September 13 2012 16:59 GMT
#24647
On September 13 2012 21:53 Nazty12 wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

This will be my first attempt at building my own PC. I went to BestBuy to maybe get some advice and the guy there sent me here. I mostly play WoW and I want to get into LoL but for all intensive purposes I really just want the system to run WoW at high-max settings.

What is your budget?
Right now I am in college and have a very small budget. I would like to stay as close to $500 USD as possible.

What is your resolution?
I'm not really sure what this means when it comes to building a PC but the monitor I am looking into buying is rated at 1600x900 native resolution. (If this is not what was meant by the question please let me know.)

What are you using it for?
Like I said I really just want it to run WoW like a champ, and maybe be able to do some light photo editing.(Nothing too over the top.)

What is your upgrade cycle?
Right now I'm not really sure. Ive owned the same laptop for almost 5 years. But I will (hopefully) be graduating and getting a real job soon, so I might have a shorter upgrade cycle than that. So, like 2-3 years?

When do you plan on building it?
ASAP. You may or may not be aware that the new expansion for WoW is coming out soon and I'd like to have it built and running before then.

Do you plan on overclocking?
I don't really understand this concept 100% yet, so, most likely not.

Do you need an Operating System?
I do. However, I've been told with a student discount Windows 7 should only be around $30 USD.

Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
No

Where are you buying your parts from?
I live in the US. Most likely newegg.com, but I am open to any other suggestions if there are cheaper/more reliable sites.

Thanks for looking this over. And again I am new at this, so be as gentle as you can.


Wait, are you $500 for everything (tower, monitor, keyboard & mouse) or just the tower?

On September 13 2012 23:59 Rollin wrote:+ Show Spoiler +

On September 13 2012 21:53 Nazty12 wrote:
This will be my first attempt at building my own PC. I went to BestBuy to maybe get some advice and the guy there sent me here.

Haha that's awesome.

Some ideas:
CPU:
i3-2220, $130 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116775
Fast dual core with hyper threading. WoW can only use two cores, and the hyperthreading may be of benefit for serious image processing, probably not though, but meh.

Motherboard:
Cheap, decent B75, $65 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157313

GPU:
HD 7770, $125 ($110 AMIR) - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814102967
Look around for a special if you have the time, you can get some good bargains on low end gpus these days.

RAM:
2 x 4GB, $33 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231424
Nothing to see here, could get 2x2GB if you're feeling cheap .

Random DVD drive:
$17 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247

HDD/SSD:
120GB ssd - $95 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820167121
or
500GB hdd - $70 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822148767
Up to you, performance or storage. WoW may benefit from faster texture streaming from the ssd (second hand information).

PSU:
Earthwatts 380D - $45 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033

Total: $510 (495 AMIR) with SSD, $485 (470 AMIR) with HDD. Specials/deals could make the above significantly cheaper.


You forgot a case.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Nazty12
Profile Joined September 2012
United States5 Posts
September 13 2012 18:39 GMT
#24648
Just the tower I have everything else.
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 13 2012 19:36 GMT
#24649
Help I need an adult!

I built my own pc 5 years ago and my processor is really starting to show its age. To upgrade to an i7 I'm going to have to get a new motherboard and ram along with it. I really want something that will last another 5 years and i7s seem to fit that criteria.

There's a deal on the front of newegg that fits my needs and is in my price range. I wanted to double check with you guys to make sure it's not vastly overpriced or I'm an idiot in some other unforeseen way.
The combo deal

+ Show Spoiler [Or if you don't want to click th…] +

1x	Intel Core i7-3770K Ivy Bridge 3.5GHz (3.9GHz Turbo) LGA 1155 77W Quad-Core Desktop Processor Intel HD Graphics 4000 BX80637I73770K 

$329.99
1x ASUS SABERTOOTH Z77 LGA 1155 Intel Z77 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

$239.99
1x G.SKILL Ares Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-1600C9D-8GAB

$41.99
Combined Total: $611.97
Combo Discounts: -$61.98
Combo Price: $549.99



549.99 for a i7-3770k quad core, compatible and reputably reliable motherboard, and 8 gbs of DDR3 ram seems good but, as I said, I don't entirely trust my own judgement. If you have a sec to respond I'd really appreciate it.
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 19:42:45
September 13 2012 19:41 GMT
#24650
Unless you stream/do other intensive media work, there's no reason to get an i7 over an i5 (basically the only difference is hyperthreading, which is pretty much useless for gaming and casual tasks).

The components in that combo are all good quality - but overall it's over-priced for your needs. You could save $150 without losing any real performance. And that's taking the $60 combo 'savings' into account.

Edit: not too bad if you actually do a lot of video encoding and plan on overclocking the processor heavily/running multiple GPUs though.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Probe1
Profile Blog Joined August 2010
United States17920 Posts
September 13 2012 19:55 GMT
#24651
No, I don't regularly encode videos. I do want something more than what I need though- I want it to last another 5 years without breaking a sweat like my Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz did.

I'd much rather overbuild for my needs and be able to handle whatever I need instead of upgrading later on. If it absolutely is throwing money away I'll keep looking though!
우정호 KT_VIOLET 1988 - 2012 While we are postponing, life speeds by
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
September 13 2012 19:58 GMT
#24652
On September 14 2012 03:39 Nazty12 wrote:
Just the tower I have everything else.


Ah okay.

I would personally go with:

Intel Pentium G2120 $99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819116777

ASRock H77M $69.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157303

Sapphire HD7750 & 8GB DDR3-1600 $133.98 ($10 Mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.1058198

OCZ Agility 4 128GB SATA III SSD $94.99 ($10 Mail in rebate)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820227807

Fractal Core 1000 mATX Case $39.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009

Rosewill Capstone 450M 80+ GOLD $55.99 with promo code EMCNANC35, ends 9/13 (aka in 11hours from me posting this)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182261

DVD Burner $16.99 free shipping with promo code EMCNAJG29, ends 9/19
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827136247

Total: $511.92 ($491.92 After Mail in rebates)

Overall this is slightly weaker than the build Rollin posted however that is fine considering:
Your resolution is 1600x900 and WoW isn't a super demanding game
The pentium G850 (last gen) is one of the best gaming cpu's (for somebody who doesn't want to spend the money on an i5)
WoW benefits from having a SSD
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
September 13 2012 19:59 GMT
#24653
On September 14 2012 04:55 Probe1 wrote:
No, I don't regularly encode videos. I do want something more than what I need though- I want it to last another 5 years without breaking a sweat like my Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz did.

I'd much rather overbuild for my needs and be able to handle whatever I need instead of upgrading later on. If it absolutely is throwing money away I'll keep looking though!


Unless game engine design changes significantly within the next few years, which is kind of unlikely until consoles get updated (and have been for a while), it really would be a rather abysmal difference for the cost compared to an i5.
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
September 13 2012 20:04 GMT
#24654
On September 14 2012 04:55 Probe1 wrote:
No, I don't regularly encode videos. I do want something more than what I need though- I want it to last another 5 years without breaking a sweat like my Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz did.

I'd much rather overbuild for my needs and be able to handle whatever I need instead of upgrading later on. If it absolutely is throwing money away I'll keep looking though!


Just go with an i5-3570K, ASRock Z77 Extreme4 ATX, 8GB of RAM, Cooler Master Hyper 212 Evo for a measly $400 and its literally 95% of what you posted for 2/3rd's the price.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Nazty12
Profile Joined September 2012
United States5 Posts
September 13 2012 20:43 GMT
#24655
How do I know what wattage PSU to use with all of the components I finally decide on?
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
September 13 2012 21:06 GMT
#24656
On September 14 2012 05:43 Nazty12 wrote:
How do I know what wattage PSU to use with all of the components I finally decide on?


Any modern single GPU system you only need a quality 450w PSU.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Nazty12
Profile Joined September 2012
United States5 Posts
September 13 2012 21:10 GMT
#24657
Do I want a micro atx case or a atx mid case? does it matter what size the case is?
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-09-13 21:12:44
September 13 2012 21:12 GMT
#24658
On September 14 2012 04:55 Probe1 wrote:
No, I don't regularly encode videos. I do want something more than what I need though- I want it to last another 5 years without breaking a sweat like my Intel Core 2 Quad Q6700 2.66GHz did.

I'd much rather overbuild for my needs and be able to handle whatever I need instead of upgrading later on. If it absolutely is throwing money away I'll keep looking though!


It absolutely is throwing money away. For almost everything non-professionals do, the i5 is the exact equal in performance to the i7.

If you want some help on a components list, just fill out the questionnaire in the OP (especially being specific on what parts you're carrying over and which you want to replace, and if you want to overclock).
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
September 13 2012 21:15 GMT
#24659
On September 14 2012 06:10 Nazty12 wrote:
Do I want a micro atx case or a atx mid case? does it matter what size the case is?


The only reason you would go with a ATX mid case is if you like the look of a case. mATX can do all that ATX use to be king at, specifically SLI/CF.
Team Liquid needs more Terrans.
Wartortle
Profile Joined August 2010
Australia504 Posts
September 13 2012 22:56 GMT
#24660
On September 13 2012 23:31 JingleHell wrote:
Show nested quote +
On September 13 2012 23:23 Rollin wrote:
On September 13 2012 23:20 Wartortle wrote:
Ive been mucking around with overclocking my HIS iceq x 7870 turbo, and ive ended up putting the clocks at 1400/1450. I havent touched the voltage i just used catalyst. Is this safe? Every guide for OCing this card had way lower settings. Its running at 34 degress at room temp and 55 at load. I havent seen any problems yet in any games. Should I leave it this way? Is there any risk?

Short answer, no.

Longer answer, not really, but it does depend on chip. As long as you don't touch voltage, there really is an insignificant risk of it failing somewhat faster, but nothing is to say it wouldn't have failed at stock in the same manner. If you can get those clocks at stock voltage and those temperatures, just be happy you got a very very nice card. If you see any artifacts, don't hesitate to knock the clocks back a little though.


To expand, I'd suggest running some form of real stress test for stability and temps, just for peace of mind.

Sure, stressing is frequently above and beyond gaming loads, but that's the point. Make sure it's not going to have problems if and when you buy a different game.


Ok this is great advice, It would definitely take away any worry I have. Can anyone suggest a good stress testing program that is free and noob friendly? aka something I wont destroy my computer with. If there are no free ones, something cheap please.
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