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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
FarmI3oy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States255 Posts
April 26 2012 18:31 GMT
#21121
I have a question to those out there that know a little bit about the new ivy bridges coming out. Will the HD 4000 graphics in the processor stack (for lack of a better term) with a GTX 275 graphics card?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 26 2012 18:34 GMT
#21122
If you're talking about Lucid Virtu MVP, you need a Lucid Virtu MVP compatible Z77 board.
FarmI3oy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States255 Posts
April 26 2012 18:38 GMT
#21123
This is the motherboard I had in mind. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813130646
What motherboards would make this work?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 26 2012 18:44 GMT
#21124
Virtu MVP is advertised so if it's not advertised than it's safe to assume it doesn't support it.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 18:50:17
April 26 2012 18:49 GMT
#21125
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the advertising just about bundling the software with the motherboard, as it's otherwise evaluation software? Either way, MVP is only bundled with higher level boards, you linked a budget one there.
Also, from what I've read from people who tested it, it's not like you'll get like SLI/CF performance of your integrated+stand alone graphics card. Many games do not work and even bugs with it enabled and it seems like synthetic benchmarks are benefiting most from it.
If you want graphical performance, going z77 for the sole reason of virtu MVP is really stupid. Just buy a new graphics card instead.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 26 2012 18:57 GMT
#21126
I have no clue. I remember xbit saying that lucid mvp had a licensing fee. But ya, you shouldn't buy a board just for Virtu MVP
FarmI3oy
Profile Joined May 2011
United States255 Posts
April 26 2012 18:58 GMT
#21127
The whole point thought of getting a new motherboard is to upgrade my processor. Currently I'm using a Intel Duo processor and DDR2 ram. I want to upgrade to the new Ivy bridge i5 K model when it comes out. However I'm trying to figure out what motherboard would work best with maximizing my graphics potential without having to buy a new GPU. That being said I will buy a new GPU eventually but I have to stick with my GTX 275. I'm hoping to play and stream Diablo 3 and dota 2 at full settings.

Thanks in advance for the help :D
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
April 26 2012 20:37 GMT
#21128
Motherboard won't affect your graphics card's performance. As long as it has a PCI-e x16 slot (I can't think of a modern motherboard you can buy that doesn't), it will run any video card.

The motherboard purchasing decision should be made based on other things such as:

- do you want to run more than 1 graphics card (this is the only situation that is related to affecting video card performance)
- how high you want to overclock
- are you looking for a particular feature like eSata
- etc.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:13:17
April 26 2012 20:49 GMT
#21129
Hi, I'm looking to build a computer for my parents. Here's some info.

What is your budget?
They have money but obviously they don't want to spend more than necessary. Let’s say around $500 (~4000 sek) but less is more so to speak but if more is required so be it.

What is your resolution?
1900x1200

What are you using it for?
It's used for ordinary stuff, browsing and media content. The most resource heavy might be to play hq movies. They have an external Blu-ray player so they should be able to use that without problems.

What is your upgrade cycle?
As long as the computer works reasonably well they usually don’t buy new stuff. So years.

When do you plan on building it?
Probably within this month since the old one is kaputt.

Do you plan on overclocking?
Do you need an Operating System?
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No, no and no.

Where are you buying your parts from?
www.inet.se (I'm open to other suggestions but I've had good experiences with them)
Press on webbshop if you get a popup to get to right prices. The components are under “Datorkomponenter” in the list on the left. If you can’t navigate the site (it’s in Swedish) feel free to give a general build anyway.

Some additional points:
Most of the stuff from the old computer is crap but the computer case is pretty nice so you don’t have to include that (it’s a standard atx case). The optical drive can also be re-used. The rest is either broken or extreemly outdated/crap. It would be nice if a ssd could be fit into the build but it isn't a requirement. They are not the biggest fans of loading times and their old one certainly had that.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:30:00
April 26 2012 21:16 GMT
#21130
On April 27 2012 05:49 nihlon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi, I'm looking to build a computer for my parents. Here's some info.

What is your budget?
They have money but obviously they don't want to spend more than necessary. Let’s say a maximum of $500 (~4000 sek) but less is more so to speak.

What is your resolution?
1900x1200

What are you using it for?
It's used for ordinary stuff, browsing and media content. The most resource heavy might be to play hq movies. They have an external Blu-ray player so they should be able to use that without problems.

What is your upgrade cycle?
As long as the computer works reasonably well they usually don’t buy new stuff. So years.

When do you plan on building it?
Probably within this month since the old one is kaputt.

Do you plan on overclocking?
Do you need an Operating System?
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No, no and no.

Where are you buying your parts from?
www.inet.se (I'm open to other suggestions but I've had good experiences with them)
Press on webbshop if you get a popup to get to right prices. The components are under “Datorkomponenter” in the list on the left. If you can’t navigate the site (it’s in Swedish) feel free to give a general build anyway.

Some additional points:
Most of the stuff from the old computer is crap but the computer case is pretty nice so you don’t have to include that (it’s a standard atx case). The optical drive can also be re-used. The rest is either broken or extreemly outdated/crap. It would be nice if a ssd could be fit into the build but it isn't a requirement. They are not the biggest fans of loading times and their old one certainly had that.


First of all: Llano build because AMD's graphics actually handles media playback with different FPS properly. Also FM1 ends up cheaper than a Pentium G6xx build. And also the slightly better CPU performance of a Sandy Bridge Pentium is going to make no difference whatsoever in the user experience because they're not doing anything requiring that extra speed.

CPU 522 kr: A4-3400 http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308811/amd-a4-x2-3400-2-7ghz-fm1

Motherboard 563 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902079/asus-s-f1a75-m-le-matx

RAM 232 kr: 2x2GB http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

SSD Crucial M4 64GB: 790 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315231/crucial-ssd-m4-64gb

PSU 426 kr: EarthWatts 380D: http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

Total: 2533 KR. You can either save the rest of the budget or go to a 128GB SSD, 8GB RAM, add a HDD for media storage if necessary, etc.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:39:04
April 26 2012 21:24 GMT
#21131
Crucial m4 128GB - 1350 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315232/crucial-ssd-m4-128gb

AMD A6-3500 - 650 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308688/amd-a6-x3-3500-2-1ghz-fm1
This is a much less powerful CPU than something like the equivalently-priced Pentium g630, but it has significantly better integrated graphics. Still, it doesn't sound like your parents will be doing anything that needs a powerful CPU. I'd recommend waiting for someone else to chime in, as an Intel Pentium may be a better way to go.

FM1 Mobo - 590 kr
(for DVI & VGA monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902110/gigabyte-ga-a75m-s2v-matx
(For VGA & HDMI monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902205/asrock-a75m-hvs-matx
(for VGA & DVI & HDMI & Displayport connections at a higher price) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902074/gigabyte-ga-a75m-ud2h-matx

4GB RAM - 230 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

DVD-burner (optional) - 190 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/7104230/dvd-rw-samsung-22x-dl-svart-oem

Antec Earthwatts 380 - 430 kr (does not come with power cable, I'm assuming you have an extra)
http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

That comes to 3440 Kroner. Should do for your purposes... but does not include an operating system or a hard drive (excepting the 128gb SSD), or a case, of course. Also, others more familiar with Scandinavian/EU vendors might know better deals. I just browsed inet.se.

Edit - different from above in that I went with a tri-core processor instead of dual-core with more powerful graphics (not necessarily worth it - you can see the price difference), an SSD twice as big, an optional dvd-burner, and a selection of different motherboards (the one wabbit linked is fine, comes DVI & VGA connectors, and I would have recommended it above the first I listed, but it is not currently in stock).
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Wabbit
Profile Joined August 2010
United States1028 Posts
April 26 2012 21:27 GMT
#21132
Looks like MisterFred and I were on the same track: but I disagree with getting the A6. Your parents are not going to notice any difference whatsoever between an A4 and A6 except more money in their pocket with the A4. The A4 might feel faster in fact because most consumer software is poorly threaded and 2 cores @ 2.7GHz > 3 cores @ 2.1 each

Also good point from MisterFred with the mobo: if you need HDMI or DisplayPort for their monitor, there are other motherboard options with those outputs but most likely the monitor has DVI and there's no reason to spend extra.
The answers to most of your Tech Support questions are in the OP. That's why you're not getting a reply. It's been answered before. Read the OP.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:45:45
April 26 2012 21:41 GMT
#21133
AMD A-Series A8-3850 995.00
Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V, Socket-FM1 569.00
Crucial DDR3 1333MHz 4GB KIT, CL9, 229.00
Corsair CX V2 430W PSU 345.00

= 2.138,00 SEK

-----------------------optional-----------------------

OCZ SSD Agility 3 Series 2.5" 60GB 685.00 (I know people are going to whine 2281 sucks wah wah, I guess you could also do Samsung SSD 830 Series 64GB 2.5" for 849:-)
Western Digital Caviar® Green 2TB 1068.00 (for the porn surfing )

= 3.891,00 SEK

This build is better (from http://www.komplett.se/)
I disagree with that they won't notice, remember that the a8 has a lot better integrated GPU than the A4, even simple things such as flash ads in webpages will be a lot smoother with a better CPU. Price difference isn't big enough to warrant the A4.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
minitelemaster
Profile Joined May 2011
United States95 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 21:47:52
April 26 2012 21:46 GMT
#21134
I have a Gateway DX4200-09 with a GT 240. SC2 runs poorly due to the horrible cpu.
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gateway-dx4200-09/4505-3118_7-33513602.html

Would upgrading mobo, cpu, and ram for ~$120 be a smart idea?

mobo: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0377387 $55 plus a $10 rebate
cpu: g620 http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0367906 $50
ram: microcenter 4gb $20

-cost/effectiveness vs i3?
-thoughts on gigabyte mobo quality?
-should I worry about the crappy PSU dying a vengeful death?

Any thoughts, comments, and critiques are appreciated. I'm thinking of upgrading my dad's computer for his bday. He likes to play 3v3 team games and would enjoy average fps over 10 on low-medium graphics.

edit: stock mobo is AM2+ with dubious AM3 compatibility.
Bite my shiny metal @$$
nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 22:02:42
April 26 2012 21:54 GMT
#21135
On April 27 2012 06:27 Wabbit wrote:
Looks like MisterFred and I were on the same track: but I disagree with getting the A6. Your parents are not going to notice any difference whatsoever between an A4 and A6 except more money in their pocket with the A4. The A4 might feel faster in fact because most consumer software is poorly threaded and 2 cores @ 2.7GHz > 3 cores @ 2.1 each

Also good point from MisterFred with the mobo: if you need HDMI or DisplayPort for their monitor, there are other motherboard options with those outputs but most likely the monitor has DVI and there's no reason to spend extra.


Thanks guys. I was just about to ask about the difference in the cpu's.

I think they have dvi for the monitor but I'll have to check. I might have some adapter laying around in any case

On April 27 2012 06:16 Wabbit wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 27 2012 05:49 nihlon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi, I'm looking to build a computer for my parents. Here's some info.

What is your budget?
They have money but obviously they don't want to spend more than necessary. Let’s say a maximum of $500 (~4000 sek) but less is more so to speak.

What is your resolution?
1900x1200

What are you using it for?
It's used for ordinary stuff, browsing and media content. The most resource heavy might be to play hq movies. They have an external Blu-ray player so they should be able to use that without problems.

What is your upgrade cycle?
As long as the computer works reasonably well they usually don’t buy new stuff. So years.

When do you plan on building it?
Probably within this month since the old one is kaputt.

Do you plan on overclocking?
Do you need an Operating System?
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No, no and no.

Where are you buying your parts from?
www.inet.se (I'm open to other suggestions but I've had good experiences with them)
Press on webbshop if you get a popup to get to right prices. The components are under “Datorkomponenter” in the list on the left. If you can’t navigate the site (it’s in Swedish) feel free to give a general build anyway.

Some additional points:
Most of the stuff from the old computer is crap but the computer case is pretty nice so you don’t have to include that (it’s a standard atx case). The optical drive can also be re-used. The rest is either broken or extreemly outdated/crap. It would be nice if a ssd could be fit into the build but it isn't a requirement. They are not the biggest fans of loading times and their old one certainly had that.


First of all: Llano build because AMD's graphics actually handles media playback with different FPS properly. Also FM1 ends up cheaper than a Pentium G6xx build. And also the slightly better CPU performance of a Sandy Bridge Pentium is going to make no difference whatsoever in the user experience because they're not doing anything requiring that extra speed.

CPU 522 kr: A4-3400 http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308811/amd-a4-x2-3400-2-7ghz-fm1

Motherboard 563 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902079/asus-s-f1a75-m-le-matx

RAM 232 kr: 2x2GB http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

SSD Crucial M4 64GB: 790 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315231/crucial-ssd-m4-64gb

PSU 426 kr: EarthWatts 380D: http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

Total: 2533 KR. You can either save the rest of the budget or go to a 128GB SSD, 8GB RAM, add a HDD for media storage if necessary, etc.


On April 27 2012 06:24 MisterFred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Crucial m4 128GB - 1350 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315232/crucial-ssd-m4-128gb

AMD A6-3500 - 650 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308688/amd-a6-x3-3500-2-1ghz-fm1
This is a much less powerful CPU than something like the equivalently-priced Pentium g630, but it has significantly better integrated graphics. Still, it doesn't sound like your parents will be doing anything that needs a powerful CPU. I'd recommend waiting for someone else to chime in, as an Intel Pentium may be a better way to go.

FM1 Mobo - 590 kr
(for DVI & VGA monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902110/gigabyte-ga-a75m-s2v-matx
(For VGA & HDMI monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902205/asrock-a75m-hvs-matx
(for VGA & DVI & HDMI & Displayport connections at a higher price) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902074/gigabyte-ga-a75m-ud2h-matx

4GB RAM - 230 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

DVD-burner (optional) - 190 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/7104230/dvd-rw-samsung-22x-dl-svart-oem

Antec Earthwatts 380 - 430 kr (does not come with power cable, I'm assuming you have an extra)
http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

That comes to 3440 Kroner. Should do for your purposes... but does not include an operating system or a hard drive (excepting the 128gb SSD), or a case, of course. Also, others more familiar with Scandinavian/EU vendors might know better deals. I just browsed inet.se.

Edit - different from above in that I went with a tri-core processor instead of dual-core with more powerful graphics (not necessarily worth it - you can see the price difference), an SSD twice as big, an optional dvd-burner, and a selection of different mobs (the one wabbit linked is fine, comes DVI & VGA connectors, but is not currently in stock).


@wabbit. The motherboard you picked is out of stock but I guess Misterfred´s suggestions would do fine?

On April 27 2012 06:41 Shauni wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
AMD A-Series A8-3850 995.00
Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V, Socket-FM1 569.00
Crucial DDR3 1333MHz 4GB KIT, CL9, 229.00
Corsair CX V2 430W PSU 345.00

= 2.138,00 SEK

-----------------------optional-----------------------

OCZ SSD Agility 3 Series 2.5" 60GB 685.00 (I know people are going to whine 2281 sucks wah wah, I guess you could also do Samsung SSD 830 Series 64GB 2.5" for 849:-)
Western Digital Caviar® Green 2TB 1068.00 (for the porn surfing )

= 3.891,00 SEK

This build is better (from http://www.komplett.se/)
I disagree with that they won't notice, remember that the a8 has a lot better integrated GPU than the A4, even simple things such as flash ads in webpages will be a lot smoother with a better CPU. Price difference isn't big enough to warrant the A4.


Is there any objective way to determine the difference? "A lot smoother" sounds good but I'm not really sure what that means. The clock speed is only marginally higher than Wabbit's suggestion and I'm pretty sure they don't need a quad core but I have little to no clue about amd's integrated graphics.
Banelings are too cute to blow up
Nabutso
Profile Joined April 2011
351 Posts
April 26 2012 21:57 GMT
#21136
The G620 isn't much worse than the i3 for gaming. The only difference is a little bit of clock speed, since the HT doesn't matter for gaming.
MisterFred
Profile Joined October 2010
United States2033 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 22:06:54
April 26 2012 22:05 GMT
#21137
@nihlon
Well, I haven't actually owned one of the a-series processors myself, but I would think you should be fine with the a4 in terms of processing power. Up here in the nosebleed gaming CPU world, we look down on the a-series, but they are capable modern processors. I actually recommended the a6 over the a4 because it has a beefier integrated graphics at a very small price premium (which to be honest should not matter unless someone sneaks in a light game now and again) - not because of processing power concerns.

As for flash ads & programs in webpages, I don't notice any problems with my crappy Intel integrated graphics, and ANY of the a-series should smoke that. So I wouldn't worry about it. Then again, as Shauni pointed out t's only a price difference of $30 or whatever between the a-series. But in terms of budgeting I think the difference in processor price would be better put towards data storage - either the larger SSD I recommended if you think they won't need total space bigger than 100 GB or so, or a 500gb backup to the smaller hard drives if you think they'll need more than 100gb of space.
"The victor? Not the highest scoring, nor the best strategist, nor the best tactitian. The victor was he that was closest to the Tao of FFA." -.Praetor
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
April 26 2012 22:08 GMT
#21138
On April 27 2012 06:54 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:27 Wabbit wrote:
Looks like MisterFred and I were on the same track: but I disagree with getting the A6. Your parents are not going to notice any difference whatsoever between an A4 and A6 except more money in their pocket with the A4. The A4 might feel faster in fact because most consumer software is poorly threaded and 2 cores @ 2.7GHz > 3 cores @ 2.1 each

Also good point from MisterFred with the mobo: if you need HDMI or DisplayPort for their monitor, there are other motherboard options with those outputs but most likely the monitor has DVI and there's no reason to spend extra.


Thanks guys. I was just about to ask about the difference in the cpu's.

I think they have dvi for the monitor but I'll have to check. I might have some adapter laying around in any case

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:16 Wabbit wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
On April 27 2012 05:49 nihlon wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Hi, I'm looking to build a computer for my parents. Here's some info.

What is your budget?
They have money but obviously they don't want to spend more than necessary. Let’s say a maximum of $500 (~4000 sek) but less is more so to speak.

What is your resolution?
1900x1200

What are you using it for?
It's used for ordinary stuff, browsing and media content. The most resource heavy might be to play hq movies. They have an external Blu-ray player so they should be able to use that without problems.

What is your upgrade cycle?
As long as the computer works reasonably well they usually don’t buy new stuff. So years.

When do you plan on building it?
Probably within this month since the old one is kaputt.

Do you plan on overclocking?
Do you need an Operating System?
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No, no and no.

Where are you buying your parts from?
www.inet.se (I'm open to other suggestions but I've had good experiences with them)
Press on webbshop if you get a popup to get to right prices. The components are under “Datorkomponenter” in the list on the left. If you can’t navigate the site (it’s in Swedish) feel free to give a general build anyway.

Some additional points:
Most of the stuff from the old computer is crap but the computer case is pretty nice so you don’t have to include that (it’s a standard atx case). The optical drive can also be re-used. The rest is either broken or extreemly outdated/crap. It would be nice if a ssd could be fit into the build but it isn't a requirement. They are not the biggest fans of loading times and their old one certainly had that.


First of all: Llano build because AMD's graphics actually handles media playback with different FPS properly. Also FM1 ends up cheaper than a Pentium G6xx build. And also the slightly better CPU performance of a Sandy Bridge Pentium is going to make no difference whatsoever in the user experience because they're not doing anything requiring that extra speed.

CPU 522 kr: A4-3400 http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308811/amd-a4-x2-3400-2-7ghz-fm1

Motherboard 563 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902079/asus-s-f1a75-m-le-matx

RAM 232 kr: 2x2GB http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

SSD Crucial M4 64GB: 790 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315231/crucial-ssd-m4-64gb

PSU 426 kr: EarthWatts 380D: http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

Total: 2533 KR. You can either save the rest of the budget or go to a 128GB SSD, 8GB RAM, add a HDD for media storage if necessary, etc.


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On April 27 2012 06:24 MisterFred wrote:
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Crucial m4 128GB - 1350 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315232/crucial-ssd-m4-128gb

AMD A6-3500 - 650 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308688/amd-a6-x3-3500-2-1ghz-fm1
This is a much less powerful CPU than something like the equivalently-priced Pentium g630, but it has significantly better integrated graphics. Still, it doesn't sound like your parents will be doing anything that needs a powerful CPU. I'd recommend waiting for someone else to chime in, as an Intel Pentium may be a better way to go.

FM1 Mobo - 590 kr
(for DVI & VGA monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902110/gigabyte-ga-a75m-s2v-matx
(For VGA & HDMI monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902205/asrock-a75m-hvs-matx
(for VGA & DVI & HDMI & Displayport connections at a higher price) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902074/gigabyte-ga-a75m-ud2h-matx

4GB RAM - 230 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

DVD-burner (optional) - 190 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/7104230/dvd-rw-samsung-22x-dl-svart-oem

Antec Earthwatts 380 - 430 kr (does not come with power cable, I'm assuming you have an extra)
http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

That comes to 3440 Kroner. Should do for your purposes... but does not include an operating system or a hard drive (excepting the 128gb SSD), or a case, of course. Also, others more familiar with Scandinavian/EU vendors might know better deals. I just browsed inet.se.

Edit - different from above in that I went with a tri-core processor instead of dual-core with more powerful graphics (not necessarily worth it - you can see the price difference), an SSD twice as big, an optional dvd-burner, and a selection of different mobs (the one wabbit linked is fine, comes DVI & VGA connectors, but is not currently in stock).


@wabbit. The motherboard you picked is out of stock but I guess Misterfred´s suggestions would do fine for your build as well as it's basically only a difference in cpu but for the same socket?

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On April 27 2012 06:41 Shauni wrote:
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AMD A-Series A8-3850 995.00
Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V, Socket-FM1 569.00
Crucial DDR3 1333MHz 4GB KIT, CL9, 229.00
Corsair CX V2 430W PSU 345.00

= 2.138,00 SEK

-----------------------optional-----------------------

OCZ SSD Agility 3 Series 2.5" 60GB 685.00 (I know people are going to whine 2281 sucks wah wah, I guess you could also do Samsung SSD 830 Series 64GB 2.5" for 849:-)
Western Digital Caviar® Green 2TB 1068.00 (for the porn surfing )

= 3.891,00 SEK

This build is better (from http://www.komplett.se/)
I disagree with that they won't notice, remember that the a8 has a lot better integrated GPU than the A4, even simple things such as flash ads in webpages will be a lot smoother with a better CPU. Price difference isn't big enough to warrant the A4.


Is there any objective way to determine the difference? "A lot smoother" sounds good but I'm not really sure what that means. The clock speed is only marginally higher than Wabbit's suggestion and I'm pretty sure they don't need a quad core but I have little to no clue about amd's integrated graphics.


Well, I've heard that some of the entry level llanos has issue rendering the exact fps of movies (23.976),the A8 handles that better. And like I said, for GPU accelerated tasks it will be noticeably faster. There is no good way to measure that since I don't know your parents user pattern. It's your own call. If you want a cheap as possible build however, this is cheaper than what they suggested:

cdon.se:

AMD A4-3400 X2 2.7GHz Socket FM1 Boxed 549 kr
Asus F1A75-M LE, AMD A75 Socket FM1, uATX 531 kr
CHIEFTEC PSU ATX 350W CE With 8cm Fans Only 230V Bulk 265 kr
OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD R:525/W:475 2.5" SATA-3 626 kr
PATRIOT Memory 4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10600 Module Signature Line 151 kr
Sweclockers -5% swec1204 -83 kr

Frakt 49 kr
Total 2171 kr
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iTzSnypah
Profile Blog Joined February 2011
United States1738 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-26 22:39:25
April 26 2012 22:17 GMT
#21139
On April 27 2012 06:46 minitelemaster wrote:
I have a Gateway DX4200-09 with a GT 240. SC2 runs poorly due to the horrible cpu.
http://reviews.cnet.com/desktops/gateway-dx4200-09/4505-3118_7-33513602.html

Would upgrading mobo, cpu, and ram for ~$120 be a smart idea?

mobo: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0377387 $55 plus a $10 rebate
cpu: g620 http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml?product_id=0367906 $50
ram: microcenter 4gb $20

-cost/effectiveness vs i3?
-thoughts on gigabyte mobo quality?
-should I worry about the crappy PSU dying a vengeful death?

Any thoughts, comments, and critiques are appreciated. I'm thinking of upgrading my dad's computer for his bday. He likes to play 3v3 team games and would enjoy average fps over 10 on low-medium graphics.

edit: stock mobo is AM2+ with dubious AM3 compatibility.


If your fine with 'dubious' AM3 compatibility I would suggest a Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition for $99. It will blow a G620 out of the water performance wise.
+ Show Spoiler [Chart of CPU Hierarchy] +

From Tomshardware.com
As you can see the X4 965 is higher than the G620 on the chart. I personally have an OC'd Core 2 extreme X6800 [which is in the same tier as the G620] and I'm more than happy with its performance.
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nihlon
Profile Joined April 2010
Sweden5581 Posts
April 26 2012 22:19 GMT
#21140
On April 27 2012 07:05 MisterFred wrote:
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@nihlon
Well, I haven't actually owned one of the a-series processors myself, but I would think you should be fine with the a4 in terms of processing power. Up here in the nosebleed gaming CPU world, we look down on the a-series, but they are capable modern processors. I actually recommended the a6 over the a4 because it has a beefier integrated graphics at a very small price premium (which to be honest should not matter unless someone sneaks in a light game now and again) - not because of processing power concerns.

As for flash ads & programs in webpages, I don't notice any problems with my crappy Intel integrated graphics, and ANY of the a-series should smoke that. So I wouldn't worry about it. Then again, as Shauni pointed out t's only a price difference of $30 or whatever between the a-series. But in terms of budgeting I think the difference in processor price would be better put towards data storage - either the larger SSD I recommended if you think they won't need total space bigger than 100 GB or so, or a 500gb backup to the smaller hard drives if you think they'll need more than 100gb of space.


On April 27 2012 07:08 Shauni wrote:
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On April 27 2012 06:54 nihlon wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:27 Wabbit wrote:
Looks like MisterFred and I were on the same track: but I disagree with getting the A6. Your parents are not going to notice any difference whatsoever between an A4 and A6 except more money in their pocket with the A4. The A4 might feel faster in fact because most consumer software is poorly threaded and 2 cores @ 2.7GHz > 3 cores @ 2.1 each

Also good point from MisterFred with the mobo: if you need HDMI or DisplayPort for their monitor, there are other motherboard options with those outputs but most likely the monitor has DVI and there's no reason to spend extra.


Thanks guys. I was just about to ask about the difference in the cpu's.

I think they have dvi for the monitor but I'll have to check. I might have some adapter laying around in any case

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On April 27 2012 06:16 Wabbit wrote:
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On April 27 2012 05:49 nihlon wrote:
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Hi, I'm looking to build a computer for my parents. Here's some info.

What is your budget?
They have money but obviously they don't want to spend more than necessary. Let’s say a maximum of $500 (~4000 sek) but less is more so to speak.

What is your resolution?
1900x1200

What are you using it for?
It's used for ordinary stuff, browsing and media content. The most resource heavy might be to play hq movies. They have an external Blu-ray player so they should be able to use that without problems.

What is your upgrade cycle?
As long as the computer works reasonably well they usually don’t buy new stuff. So years.

When do you plan on building it?
Probably within this month since the old one is kaputt.

Do you plan on overclocking?
Do you need an Operating System?
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?

No, no and no.

Where are you buying your parts from?
www.inet.se (I'm open to other suggestions but I've had good experiences with them)
Press on webbshop if you get a popup to get to right prices. The components are under “Datorkomponenter” in the list on the left. If you can’t navigate the site (it’s in Swedish) feel free to give a general build anyway.

Some additional points:
Most of the stuff from the old computer is crap but the computer case is pretty nice so you don’t have to include that (it’s a standard atx case). The optical drive can also be re-used. The rest is either broken or extreemly outdated/crap. It would be nice if a ssd could be fit into the build but it isn't a requirement. They are not the biggest fans of loading times and their old one certainly had that.


First of all: Llano build because AMD's graphics actually handles media playback with different FPS properly. Also FM1 ends up cheaper than a Pentium G6xx build. And also the slightly better CPU performance of a Sandy Bridge Pentium is going to make no difference whatsoever in the user experience because they're not doing anything requiring that extra speed.

CPU 522 kr: A4-3400 http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308811/amd-a4-x2-3400-2-7ghz-fm1

Motherboard 563 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902079/asus-s-f1a75-m-le-matx

RAM 232 kr: 2x2GB http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

SSD Crucial M4 64GB: 790 kr: http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315231/crucial-ssd-m4-64gb

PSU 426 kr: EarthWatts 380D: http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

Total: 2533 KR. You can either save the rest of the budget or go to a 128GB SSD, 8GB RAM, add a HDD for media storage if necessary, etc.


Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:24 MisterFred wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
Crucial m4 128GB - 1350 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315232/crucial-ssd-m4-128gb

AMD A6-3500 - 650 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5308688/amd-a6-x3-3500-2-1ghz-fm1
This is a much less powerful CPU than something like the equivalently-priced Pentium g630, but it has significantly better integrated graphics. Still, it doesn't sound like your parents will be doing anything that needs a powerful CPU. I'd recommend waiting for someone else to chime in, as an Intel Pentium may be a better way to go.

FM1 Mobo - 590 kr
(for DVI & VGA monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902110/gigabyte-ga-a75m-s2v-matx
(For VGA & HDMI monitor connections) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902205/asrock-a75m-hvs-matx
(for VGA & DVI & HDMI & Displayport connections at a higher price) http://www.inet.se/produkt/1902074/gigabyte-ga-a75m-ud2h-matx

4GB RAM - 230 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/5315032/corsair-4gb-2x2048mb-cl9-1333mhz-value

DVD-burner (optional) - 190 kr
http://www.inet.se/produkt/7104230/dvd-rw-samsung-22x-dl-svart-oem

Antec Earthwatts 380 - 430 kr (does not come with power cable, I'm assuming you have an extra)
http://www.inet.se/produkt/6901479/antec-earthwatts-green-ea380-380w-80-bronze

That comes to 3440 Kroner. Should do for your purposes... but does not include an operating system or a hard drive (excepting the 128gb SSD), or a case, of course. Also, others more familiar with Scandinavian/EU vendors might know better deals. I just browsed inet.se.

Edit - different from above in that I went with a tri-core processor instead of dual-core with more powerful graphics (not necessarily worth it - you can see the price difference), an SSD twice as big, an optional dvd-burner, and a selection of different mobs (the one wabbit linked is fine, comes DVI & VGA connectors, but is not currently in stock).


@wabbit. The motherboard you picked is out of stock but I guess Misterfred´s suggestions would do fine for your build as well as it's basically only a difference in cpu but for the same socket?

Show nested quote +
On April 27 2012 06:41 Shauni wrote:
+ Show Spoiler +
AMD A-Series A8-3850 995.00
Gigabyte GA-A75M-S2V, Socket-FM1 569.00
Crucial DDR3 1333MHz 4GB KIT, CL9, 229.00
Corsair CX V2 430W PSU 345.00

= 2.138,00 SEK

-----------------------optional-----------------------

OCZ SSD Agility 3 Series 2.5" 60GB 685.00 (I know people are going to whine 2281 sucks wah wah, I guess you could also do Samsung SSD 830 Series 64GB 2.5" for 849:-)
Western Digital Caviar® Green 2TB 1068.00 (for the porn surfing )

= 3.891,00 SEK

This build is better (from http://www.komplett.se/)
I disagree with that they won't notice, remember that the a8 has a lot better integrated GPU than the A4, even simple things such as flash ads in webpages will be a lot smoother with a better CPU. Price difference isn't big enough to warrant the A4.


Is there any objective way to determine the difference? "A lot smoother" sounds good but I'm not really sure what that means. The clock speed is only marginally higher than Wabbit's suggestion and I'm pretty sure they don't need a quad core but I have little to no clue about amd's integrated graphics.


Well, I've heard that some of the entry level llanos has issue rendering the exact fps of movies (23.976),the A8 handles that better. And like I said, for GPU accelerated tasks it will be noticeably faster. There is no good way to measure that since I don't know your parents user pattern. It's your own call. If you want a cheap as possible build however, this is cheaper than what they suggested:

cdon.se:

AMD A4-3400 X2 2.7GHz Socket FM1 Boxed 549 kr
Asus F1A75-M LE, AMD A75 Socket FM1, uATX 531 kr
CHIEFTEC PSU ATX 350W CE With 8cm Fans Only 230V Bulk 265 kr
OCZ Agility 3 60GB SSD R:525/W:475 2.5" SATA-3 626 kr
PATRIOT Memory 4GB DDR3-1333 PC3-10600 Module Signature Line 151 kr
Sweclockers -5% swec1204 -83 kr

Frakt 49 kr
Total 2171 kr

Alright thanks guys, I'll do a little of my own research based on your suggestions. If some more questions come up I'll come back here to let you know.

Now I'm off to bed.
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