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Yes, upgrading the CPU would be the best way to go. For SC2, the pentiums will peform about the same as the i3. Although when in-store you might ask if they have any g840s or g850s for about the same price, as those two processors are a tad faster, which could be nice in team games. That mobo is fine - any cheapo h61 should do. Ask in-store about cpu+mobo combo savings, but I doubt you'll find something great for this kind of budget equipment.
There are a few games optimized for four-core processors where the i3 is superior to the Pentium series. The pentiums should still play them fine though, particularly given your graphics card limitations.
You should worry about crappy PSUs. Not all that much, since the system shouldn't draw too much power. But given we don't even know what PSU it is... *shrug* won't kill you not to upgrade, but it'd be safer to consider it.
It'd be best to know the actual model of your father's Mobo/ current cpu before we give advice there. Also, does he have a graphics card?
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On April 27 2012 07:30 MisterFred wrote:Yes, upgrading the CPU would be the best way to go. For SC2, the pentiums will peform about the same as the i3. Although when in-store you might ask if they have any g840s or g850s for about the same price, as those two processors are a tad faster, which could be nice in team games. That mobo is fine - any cheapo h61 should do. Ask in-store about cpu+mobo combo savings, but I doubt you'll find something great for this kind of budget equipment. There are a few games optimized for four-core processors where the i3 is superior to the Pentium series. The pentiums should still play them fine though, particularly given your graphics card limitations. You should worry about crappy PSUs. Not all that much, since the system shouldn't draw too much power. But given we don't even know what PSU it is... *shrug* won't kill you not to upgrade, but it'd be safer to consider it. It'd be best to know the actual model of your father's Mobo/ current cpu before we give advice there. Also, does he have a graphics card?
The stock mobo is a foxconn pos with no documentation or support, so going AM3 would be a gamble. Also, he has a GT 240 GPU which is the reason he can even play SC2 at all lol. Thanks for the info/suggestions 
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Hey Teamliquid, I got a question for all of you guys that know about SSD's. Which one SSD should I get the Samsung 830 128gb or Crucial m4 128gb. I care about everything the Performance,reliability,Warranty,Read, Write and Boot times and other important stuff that I dont know about SSD. So the prices are about the same. The Samsung 830 I can get for $135.14 from Newegg.
Samsung 830 128Gb $135.14 after Promo Code
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147137
I can get the Crucial m4 128gb for 144.99 at Tigerdirect but I m a new customer so 10 dollar off of my next purchase so that make the Crucial m4 to 134.99.
Crucial m4 128GB 134.99 after 10 dollar coupon
http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=365475&CatId=5300.
So pretty much these two drives are the same price. Which one should I get for my new Pc. Also if you got any benchmarks,boot time,reviews,other important information before I order one of these drives please tell me. So which one should I get Samsung 830 128GB for 135.14 or Crucial m4 128GB for 134.99.
Edited: I saw that Crucial m4 128gb has a limited warranty for about 36 months while the Samsung 830 has 3 year warranty. That making me decide on Samsung 830. What do you guys think?? Also if there any other drives/SSD that cost under 150 and it competely better than these two drives. Please tell me.
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On April 27 2012 08:01 BlackKiller wrote:Hey Teamliquid, I got a question for all of you guys that know about SSD's. Which one SSD should I get the Samsung 830 128gb or Crucial m4 128gb. I care about everything the Performance,reliability,Warranty,Read, Write and Boot times and other important stuff that I dont know about SSD. So the prices are about the same. The Samsung 830 I can get for $135.14 from Newegg. Samsung 830 128Gb $135.14 after Promo Code http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147137I can get the Crucial m4 128gb for 144.99 at Tigerdirect but I m a new customer so 10 dollar off of my next purchase so that make the Crucial m4 to 134.99. Crucial m4 128GB 134.99 after 10 dollar coupon http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=365475&CatId=5300. So pretty much these two drives are the same price. Which one should I get for my new Pc. Also if you got any benchmarks,boot time,reviews,other important information before I order one of these drives please tell me. So which one should I get Samsung 830 128GB for 135.14 or Crucial m4 128GB for 134.99. Edited: I saw that Crucial m4 128gb has a limited warranty for about 36 months while the Samsung 830 has 3 year warranty. That making me decide on Samsung 830. What do you guys think?? Also if there any other drives/SSD that cost under 150 and it competely better than these two drives. Please tell me.
They are both good at different things (Samsung 830 better at seq writing (moving large files) but noticably worse at random 4k writes. Crucial m4 has a bit more even performance) and proven stable, just get whichever is cheaper...
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On April 27 2012 08:18 Shauni wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:01 BlackKiller wrote:Hey Teamliquid, I got a question for all of you guys that know about SSD's. Which one SSD should I get the Samsung 830 128gb or Crucial m4 128gb. I care about everything the Performance,reliability,Warranty,Read, Write and Boot times and other important stuff that I dont know about SSD. So the prices are about the same. The Samsung 830 I can get for $135.14 from Newegg. Samsung 830 128Gb $135.14 after Promo Code http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147137I can get the Crucial m4 128gb for 144.99 at Tigerdirect but I m a new customer so 10 dollar off of my next purchase so that make the Crucial m4 to 134.99. Crucial m4 128GB 134.99 after 10 dollar coupon http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=365475&CatId=5300. So pretty much these two drives are the same price. Which one should I get for my new Pc. Also if you got any benchmarks,boot time,reviews,other important information before I order one of these drives please tell me. So which one should I get Samsung 830 128GB for 135.14 or Crucial m4 128GB for 134.99. Edited: I saw that Crucial m4 128gb has a limited warranty for about 36 months while the Samsung 830 has 3 year warranty. That making me decide on Samsung 830. What do you guys think?? Also if there any other drives/SSD that cost under 150 and it competely better than these two drives. Please tell me. They are both good at different things (Samsung 830 better at seq writing (moving large files) but noticably worse at random 4k writes. Crucial m4 has a bit more even performance) and proven stable, just get whichever is cheaper...
So you are saying I should get the Crucial m4 128gb for 134.99. It cheaper than the Samsung 830 it like 15 cents cheaper are you sure they are like the same performance wise drives. I heard that Samsung has SSD toolbox application box does that change your mind. Are there any other SSD for under 150 that are better than these two drives. Thank you for your reply
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On April 27 2012 08:26 BlackKiller wrote:Show nested quote +On April 27 2012 08:18 Shauni wrote:On April 27 2012 08:01 BlackKiller wrote:Hey Teamliquid, I got a question for all of you guys that know about SSD's. Which one SSD should I get the Samsung 830 128gb or Crucial m4 128gb. I care about everything the Performance,reliability,Warranty,Read, Write and Boot times and other important stuff that I dont know about SSD. So the prices are about the same. The Samsung 830 I can get for $135.14 from Newegg. Samsung 830 128Gb $135.14 after Promo Code http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820147137I can get the Crucial m4 128gb for 144.99 at Tigerdirect but I m a new customer so 10 dollar off of my next purchase so that make the Crucial m4 to 134.99. Crucial m4 128GB 134.99 after 10 dollar coupon http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/item-details.asp?EdpNo=365475&CatId=5300. So pretty much these two drives are the same price. Which one should I get for my new Pc. Also if you got any benchmarks,boot time,reviews,other important information before I order one of these drives please tell me. So which one should I get Samsung 830 128GB for 135.14 or Crucial m4 128GB for 134.99. Edited: I saw that Crucial m4 128gb has a limited warranty for about 36 months while the Samsung 830 has 3 year warranty. That making me decide on Samsung 830. What do you guys think?? Also if there any other drives/SSD that cost under 150 and it competely better than these two drives. Please tell me. They are both good at different things (Samsung 830 better at seq writing (moving large files) but noticably worse at random 4k writes. Crucial m4 has a bit more even performance) and proven stable, just get whichever is cheaper... So you are saying I should get the Crucial m4 128gb for 134.99. It cheaper than the Samsung 830 it like 15 cents cheaper are you sure they are like the same performance wise drives. I heard that Samsung has SSD toolbox application box does that change your mind. Are there any other SSD for under 150 that are better than these two drives. Thank you for your reply
Like I said, just get either, you can't go wrong with any one of them. Plextor M3, Intel 520 and Vertex 4 are faster in most scenarios, but also more expensive.
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Please try not to jam all your sentences together  take a breath and use periods 
That said, I thought the Samsung was a bit faster?
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What is your budget?
I’d like to set my budget at $1000, although if I could get a good machine for less that would be great.
What is your resolution?
I currently play SC2 at 1280x720 on my laptop but I could make it bigger if I buy a new monitor, so I could also use nice cheap monitor recommendations.
What are you using it for?
I’m looking to build this to stream Starcraft 2, I want to be able to stream Starcraft in high quality without lagging. In the future also play other games like Guild Wars 2, Diablo 3, etc.
What is your upgrade cycle?
I’m not looking to upgrade this any time soon, maybe 1+ years.
When do you plan on building it?
I plan on building this mid-late may, so pretty soon.
Do you plan on overclocking?
I’m pretty noob at computers so I honestly have no idea.
Do you need an Operating System?
I mean yeah I guess so?
Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire?
I guess not, it sounds like this requires more spending? As long as I can stream starcraft 2 comfortably than I’m set. If this is required to do so then yeah I guess.
Where are you buying your parts from?
Live in the US so I guess newegg or anywhere else online that ships.
So it's probably pretty clear from my answers that I'm pretty clueless when it comes to this so I really appreciate all the help I can get. All i'm really looking for is a solid machine that I can use to stream starcraft 2 (which I play on low settings) comfortably, and also to move on to other games in the future. I have no idea whether my budget is too small or too big, I could use all the advice I can get!
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well im sticking with alternate.nl coz they will build it for me too, but do u think i should replace the i5 2400 with i5 2320?
also the current ram i mentioned is 1600 mhz, is this good to take coz i wont upgrade for 2 / 3 years? or should i take 1333 mhz ram?
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The performance difference between 1333MHz and 1600MHz is negligible so it doesn't matter.
The 2320 is slower than the 2400.
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On April 27 2012 07:05 MisterFred wrote:
@nihlon
Well, I haven't actually owned one of the a-series processors myself, but I would think you should be fine with the a4 in terms of processing power. Up here in the nosebleed gaming CPU world, we look down on the a-series, but they are capable modern processors. I actually recommended the a6 over the a4 because it has a beefier integrated graphics at a very small price premium (which to be honest should not matter unless someone sneaks in a light game now and again) - not because of processing power concerns.
On April 27 2012 07:08 Shauni wrote:
Well, I've heard that some of the entry level llanos has issue rendering the exact fps of movies (23.976),the A8 handles that better. And like I said, for GPU accelerated tasks it will be noticeably faster. There is no good way to measure that since I don't know your parents user pattern. It's your own call. If you want a cheap as possible build however, this is cheaper than what they suggested:
Do you guys seriously believe that an A6 or A8's ""better"" integrated graphics is going to actually make a noticeable difference to your average web-browsing, media consuming, document-editing user? What tasks do you actually think are so demanding that it requires the stronger GPU for the acceleration?
It's just a waste of money.
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a) - no
b) - some random person out of the blue or a future hand-me-down user playing a game at some point
Of course having checked the conversion rates, it's more like $20 difference between a4 & a6, where I was thinking about $10. But I believe my reasoning, faulty as it may be, was covered in the very post you quoted, thank you.
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On April 27 2012 10:09 MisterFred wrote:
a) - no
b) - some random person out of the blue or a future hand-me-down user playing a game at some point
Of course having checked the conversion rates, it's more like $20 difference between a4 & a6, where I was thinking about $10. But I believe my reasoning, faulty as it may be, was covered in the very post you quoted, thank you.
You're correct, you did explain it and I did not read your post carefully enough. My mistake.
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On April 27 2012 02:45 skyR wrote:The problem with your build is the motherboard is not compatible with the core i5 2400 and every other component is overpriced. You should not be buying any TN monitor in Canada for $200 unless it's a good 120Hz monitor that has an absurd discount making it $200. The Dell Ultrasharp U2312HM is the only monitor you should even consider in Canada for $200: http://accessories.dell.com/sna/products/productdetail.aspx?c=ca&l=en&s=dhs&cs=cadhs1&sku=320-2807The build I posted for Malstriks is $1087 but be aware some of the components are already out of stock. To lower this to below $1000 and fit the $200 monitor into your budget. You can change the 2600k to a 2500k: http://us.ncix.com/products/?sku=57962&promoid=1058 which takes $90 off. If you won't be overclocking, you can also change to a 2400 for $10 less, change the Z77 to a H67 or H77 for sub $100, and remove the Hyper 212+ heatsink. All in all, this would take roughly $50+ off. Change the Fractal Design Define R3 to the Antec One for $45: http://ncix.com/products/?sku=67322&promoid=1058 which takes another $25. You could also take the Fractal Design Core 3000 and Antec Neo Eco bundle for $70 instead: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=70108&promoid=1058 This would take $65 off the total. You can just remove the Crucial M4 128GB to reduce the total by $149. Since you don't need an operating system, you can take away the $95 Windows 7. These changes would make it roughly $700, adding the U2312HM would make it near $900 - less than the price of your build. NCIX offers assembly for $50 but you need to purchase all the components from them: http://www.ncix.com/products/?sku=7842
Thanks skyR and Wabbit! Hoping to finalize the build with your recommendations soon, buying the parts I can in Hong Kong cause they tend to be cheaper (and it's a present from a relative who's coming over).
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"I know but which GT 640"
"THATS WHAT IT FUCKING SAYS"
oh and also people buying prebuilts. Also going to be great.
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I'm feeling like this is some sort of Doctor Who season finale April fools joke shit from Nvidia. Or maybe that's wishful thinking.
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The processes are different too. Some 40nm and some 28nm. These three cards honestly dont have a lot in common.
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On April 27 2012 10:49 Medrea wrote:
The processes are different too. Some 40nm and some 28nm. These three cards honestly dont have a lot in common.
Sure they do. They're all going to be a pain in the ass, they're all going to be overpriced, they're all going to involve plastic, silicon, and solder in the construction...
Maybe some senior executives recently bought AMD stock?
I can't imagine any OTHER reason for something this stupid. Unless they recently merged with the company from Dilbert.
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