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When using this resource, please read FragKrag's opening post. The Tech Support forum regulars have helped create countless of desktop systems without any compensation. The least you can do is provide all of the information required for them to help you properly.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:37:06
April 21 2012 23:34 GMT
#20901
On April 22 2012 08:30 Ahzz wrote:+ Show Spoiler +
OK final two problems I'd like to figure out before going and placing my order.
1) The rig I'm ordering is here, which I gathered with the advice that I got earlier today:
ASRock P67 Pro3 (B3), Sockel 1155, ATX (Is there a difference between P67 and Z67 that matter to me? I save a few euro with p67)
Intel Core i5-2500K Box, LGA1155
Powercolor HD7850 2GB GDDR5
BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W (shikyo suggested 400w i think... Is that enough? it is a little bit cheaper, but if I'll overclock I better get this option instead?)
WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 6Gb/s
Samsung SH-222AB bare schwarz SATA
Thermalright True Spirit 120 (Aftermarket heatsink that shikyo suggested)
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (SB-Version)

TOTAL PRICE NOW 773,21 € (from http://www1.hardwareversand.de/home.jsp)

2) Since I'm determined to do some overclocking for my cpu, I'd like to clear out a few things (I did read some links over here, and stickies, but these are things I'd like to confirm):
-The aftermarket cooler/heatsink that is mentioned in my list is that cuz the store didnt have cooler amster hyper 212 evo, however, I can buy that from http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/55644/dffrm/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-EVO-1366-1156-1155-775-FM1-AM3-AM3 for 30€ which is only +7€ with a minor inconvenience only. If the difference in noise, performance, cooling is noticeable or if nobody has experience with the one I mentioned in my list, I have no problems buying this one separate.
-If I understood correct, I install windows and get everything working, and after that I should be able to overclock my cpu through bios, and with my rig, there should be a setting for a multiplier for my cpu, and according to what SkyR said in another thread, a 40-45 range is a good place to start. I should then stress test my cpu with prime95. Did I miss anything that I should do in between?
-I should easily be able to overclock my 2500k to 4.2ghz or so, and even that should be a mild overclock, and wouldn't decrease the lifespan of my parts.

Sorry for repeating some questions that have no doubt been answered, this is my first time building a gaming rig by myself, and a 800€ investment is something that I really dont want to take too many chances with.


Z68 allows for use of IGP which in turn allows for features like Lucid and Quick Sync but both are pretty useless for the average consumer. The only benefit of being able to use the IGP for most people is you will have a backup incase your GPU dies.

Yes, the 450w variant is enough even for an overclocked 2500k 7850 configuration since the two components will only use about 250w (that's accounting for overclocks).

True Spirit should be fine.

Yes, 40-45 (4GHz - 4.5GHz) is a good place to start. You'd stress test once at stock settings to check temperatures to ensure the heatsink is properly installed. Yes, 4.2GHz is a mild overclock and won't decrease lifespan significantly.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 23:35 GMT
#20902
On April 22 2012 08:26 phar wrote:
Mobos are not the same price. Also the i7-2600k probably offers better overclockability (unless you want to step up to the 39xxk version)


wont be using a 3930k, but probably will switch to the ivy bridge version of the 3930k in like a year or two.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 23:44 GMT
#20903
On April 22 2012 08:29 phar wrote:
$900 for mobo, CPU, case, SSD, RAM, OS, and GPU?


monitor/keyboard/mouse done?


How GPU heavy are the programs you're going to be running? If they're very GPU heavy, the fact that we're even talking about $300+ processors on a $900 budget might be insane.


$900 for CPU, mobo, DVD drive, PSU, case, RAM, and GPU
ihave a planar Pl2410W monitor, old Dell keyboard, a precision mouse.

Not really GPU heavy work, but does require AMD or Nvidia graphics.


here is what it looks so far
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157289
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229&Tpk=3820
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=Suggested&Description=11-112
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820233144
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131460
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 00:02:23
April 22 2012 00:00 GMT
#20904
Thoughts:

Third link is broken (could be me?)
RAM is $10 too expensive (gskill ripwhatever is $40, as are a bunch of other kits)
RAM is (I think), too fucking tall to work with good coolers
PSU is overkill

And I still say you'd have better performance with a i7-2600k, decent 1155 p67/z68/z77 mobo, and dumping the $70++ you save on the overpriced lga2011 socket mobo into a beefy cooler. Then crank the i7-2600k up to 4.5++ and it'll be way better than the 3820.


Taking your word on GPU requirements, I really don't know.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 00:04:59
April 22 2012 00:04 GMT
#20905
Or if you insist on the 3820 for some reason, at least get a good cooler to go with it and crank it up.

$550+ on cpu & mobo with a stock intel cooler and no overclock is
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
thisisnotralph
Profile Joined April 2012
United States101 Posts
April 22 2012 00:35 GMT
#20906
is there a difference between a USB Wireless Adapter and an actual PCI card adapter? My computer will be in a completely different room so it'l have to be wireless. I should be completely fine with any run-of-the-mill USB one, right?
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-22 01:07:28
April 22 2012 00:44 GMT
#20907
Damn, the shellshocker deal got sold out.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044 $60
The PSU is really a good deal with the $20 off, idt you can find a slightly weaker PSU for less than 60.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820231428 $47
RAM: also seems tall but whatever.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115229&Tpk=3820 $310
i7 3820

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813157289 $259
Extreme 6 mobo,

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827135204 $18
DVD

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814131460 $137
GPU

this adds up to $831
recommend me a cheap but durable case and a good cooler for $89 in total to make it $920 pls.

EDIT:This seems to have really good reviews in many webstie and on newegg.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103099

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811147153 for the case.

Any suggestions?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 22 2012 00:50 GMT
#20908
On April 22 2012 09:35 thisisnotralph wrote:
is there a difference between a USB Wireless Adapter and an actual PCI card adapter? My computer will be in a completely different room so it'l have to be wireless. I should be completely fine with any run-of-the-mill USB one, right?


Not really. USB is fine.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 22 2012 00:54 GMT
#20909
On April 22 2012 09:35 thisisnotralph wrote:
is there a difference between a USB Wireless Adapter and an actual PCI card adapter? My computer will be in a completely different room so it'l have to be wireless. I should be completely fine with any run-of-the-mill USB one, right?



used to use one. The problem is that sometimes ones legs knocks the usb, or the case vibrates too much and the usb breaks connection. So dont put it in the front ports
Cerotix
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada121 Posts
April 22 2012 01:47 GMT
#20910
any thoughts on this deal?
http://www.memoryexpress.com/Products/BDL_2500K_Z68VPROG3

was originally looking at the 2500k with a asrockz68 ex3 gen 3, curious as to if this is worth it?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 22 2012 01:58 GMT
#20911
It's a good deal but motherboard is probably a little high-end for you.
Cerotix
Profile Joined November 2010
Canada121 Posts
April 22 2012 02:17 GMT
#20912
On April 22 2012 10:58 skyR wrote:
It's a good deal but motherboard is probably a little high-end for you.

Does that mean that I should stay away from it? Or that I should take advantage of getting a better motherboard than I had originally planned for cheaper?
<3 skyR for advice
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 22 2012 02:18 GMT
#20913
On April 22 2012 11:17 Cerotix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 10:58 skyR wrote:
It's a good deal but motherboard is probably a little high-end for you.

Does that mean that I should stay away from it? Or that I should take advantage of getting a better motherboard than I had originally planned for cheaper?
<3 skyR for advice


He's saying that price-wise it's a good deal for the hardware, but that if you're not going to use the full capabilities of the hardware, it's still spending more than you need to spend.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 22 2012 02:32 GMT
#20914
So guys, I'm going to order the parts now, any final thoughts on the cpu cooler, case, mobo?
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 22 2012 02:33 GMT
#20915
On April 22 2012 11:17 Cerotix wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 10:58 skyR wrote:
It's a good deal but motherboard is probably a little high-end for you.

Does that mean that I should stay away from it? Or that I should take advantage of getting a better motherboard than I had originally planned for cheaper?
<3 skyR for advice


Not sure what you mean. ASUS P8Z68-V Pro is the best thing you're getting for $160. I guess you can consider the Z77 GD55 to be better or slightly on par / worse. No doubt these are good motherboards but do you really need the features these provide over something like a Z77 G43 / G45 or P8Z77-M which are about $120.
Pwnographics
Profile Joined January 2011
New Zealand1097 Posts
April 22 2012 03:41 GMT
#20916
Does the Z77 have any features that translate that to actual performance gains over the Z68?
Womwomwom
Profile Blog Joined September 2009
5930 Posts
April 22 2012 03:43 GMT
#20917
Native USB3.0. That's about it.
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
April 22 2012 03:44 GMT
#20918
Native USB3 and lucid MVP. ASUS engineers also reworked the memory.
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
April 22 2012 09:49 GMT
#20919
can someone help me? im getting a z77 board for hr 02 macho. The compability sheet doesnt list z77 boards, are they identical to the z68 boards? Its strange cuz it says the gene is NOT compatible but i read some german forum where a guy had the z77 gene and macho and said they were a perfect fit. I dont really care what z77 board it is as long as the cooler fits and doesnt block pcie lanes. Talking about matx btw. Should i email thermalright or what?
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
Medrea
Profile Joined May 2011
10003 Posts
April 22 2012 10:08 GMT
#20920
Yeah all coolers that are socket 1156 or 1155 compatible are compatible with whatever the name of the board is as well (H Z P of all numbers). As far as mounting holes is concerned anyway.

The only thing you have to worry about is case room, and you should be ok there. If its a case for an matx board only, you might have some measuring to do.
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