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JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
April 21 2012 21:45 GMT
#20881
On April 22 2012 06:44 GosuSwarm wrote:
I do not plan on overclocking my cpu, I just want things nice and simple and to run smoothly, so this case seems like it would do fine


Step down to an H67 board and an i5 2400 or 2500 non-k.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 21:59 GMT
#20882
how about this PSU and Case?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371044
Earthwatts sounds alot more trustworthy to me than OCZ ZT.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811112323(thanks thisisnotralph)

the money saved from the case will go to buying a intel heatsink for the CPU
http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B006588YUE/ref=dp_olp_new?ie=UTF8&condition=new
skyR
Profile Joined July 2009
Canada13817 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 22:06:15
April 21 2012 22:03 GMT
#20883
Earthwatts is a good unit and a good choice at that price but it isn't modular.

That is a joke right? You're going to pair an Intel stock heatsink with a 3820... really?

The entire reason why 3820 doesn't include a heatsink is because including a heatsink no one will use is an absolute waste of money for Intel.
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 22:13 GMT
#20884
On April 22 2012 07:03 skyR wrote:
Earthwatts is a good unit and a good choice at that price but it isn't modular.

That is a joke right? You're going to pair an Intel stock heatsink with a 3820... really?

The entire reason why 3820 doesn't include a heatsink is because including a heatsink no one will use is an absolute waste of money for Intel.


well, if someones selling it, somebody clearly needs it.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 22:26:54
April 21 2012 22:26 GMT
#20885
On April 22 2012 07:13 STYDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 07:03 skyR wrote:
Earthwatts is a good unit and a good choice at that price but it isn't modular.

That is a joke right? You're going to pair an Intel stock heatsink with a 3820... really?

The entire reason why 3820 doesn't include a heatsink is because including a heatsink no one will use is an absolute waste of money for Intel.


well, if someones selling it, somebody clearly needs it.

Just because they sell it does not mean it's a good deal. You can also buy like $50 adapters from Apple when a $4 equivalent one from Amazon or cablestogo does the exact same thing.

You're saving money in the wrong spot. If you instead got a 2500k and a beefy cooler for less money than a 3820, you would get better performance for basically everything.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Shauni
Profile Blog Joined July 2004
4077 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 22:54:10
April 21 2012 22:49 GMT
#20886
Intel Thermal Solution is best Thermal Solution. I especially enjoy the plastic pin fasteners where you need a gigantic amount of brute force to lock it down, and you still won't be sure if the surface is even. And those motherfucking plastic bits (the ones that actually lock it) are so fragile that remounting the CPU another time will surely cause them to bend.
The cooler is pretty fucking loud at idle, and it doesn't cool nearly as well as the Phenom II AMD stock fans (cause it doesn't do 8000 rpm).
You'd think that they would hire a team to develop an acceptable mounting solution, but NO.
I'm sure you can find something more acceptable for 20-30$.
I'm taking whatever coverage I can get, because frankly, I'm busy working on this million dollar deal at my job. Early retirement is a good thing brotha man. - MessengerASL
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 22:50 GMT
#20887
On April 22 2012 07:26 phar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 07:13 STYDawn wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:03 skyR wrote:
Earthwatts is a good unit and a good choice at that price but it isn't modular.

That is a joke right? You're going to pair an Intel stock heatsink with a 3820... really?

The entire reason why 3820 doesn't include a heatsink is because including a heatsink no one will use is an absolute waste of money for Intel.


well, if someones selling it, somebody clearly needs it.

Just because they sell it does not mean it's a good deal. You can also buy like $50 adapters from Apple when a $4 equivalent one from Amazon or cablestogo does the exact same thing.

You're saving money in the wrong spot. If you instead got a 2500k and a beefy cooler for less money than a 3820, you would get better performance for basically everything.


you have to be smoking some hardcore stuff, the only way a 2500ks gonna beat a stock 3820 is if it on like liquid nitro or somethin.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BXRTS2011LC-Thermal-Solution-Liquid/dp/B006588Z7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335048188&sr=8-1

not really familiar with LC, idk if its gonna be compatible with the case.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
April 21 2012 22:55 GMT
#20888
On April 22 2012 07:49 Shauni wrote:
Intel Thermal Solution is best Thermal Solution. I especially enjoy the plastic pin fasteners where you need a gigantic amount of brute force to lock it down, and you still won't be sure if the thermal is even. And those motherfucking plastic bits (the ones that actually lock it) are so fragile that remounting the CPU another time will surely cause them to bend.
The cooler is pretty fucking loud at idle, and it doesn't cool nearly as well as the Phenom II AMD stock fans (cause it doesn't do 8000 rpm).
You'd think that they would hire a team to develop an acceptable mounting solution, but NO.
I'm sure you can find something more acceptable for 20-30$.

YES!

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On April 22 2012 07:50 STYDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 07:26 phar wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:13 STYDawn wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:03 skyR wrote:
Earthwatts is a good unit and a good choice at that price but it isn't modular.

That is a joke right? You're going to pair an Intel stock heatsink with a 3820... really?

The entire reason why 3820 doesn't include a heatsink is because including a heatsink no one will use is an absolute waste of money for Intel.


well, if someones selling it, somebody clearly needs it.

Just because they sell it does not mean it's a good deal. You can also buy like $50 adapters from Apple when a $4 equivalent one from Amazon or cablestogo does the exact same thing.

You're saving money in the wrong spot. If you instead got a 2500k and a beefy cooler for less money than a 3820, you would get better performance for basically everything.


you have to be smoking some hardcore stuff, the only way a 2500ks gonna beat a stock 3820 is if it on like liquid nitro or somethin.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BXRTS2011LC-Thermal-Solution-Liquid/dp/B006588Z7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335048188&sr=8-1

not really familiar with LC, idk if its gonna be compatible with the case.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I will respond assuming you are:

a) no, the comparison was 3820 + intel stock vs. i5-2500k + something like an h100 or nh-d14. In this case, the i5-2500k pushes 4.5~5.0 GHz with ease and smokes the 3820 out of the water for games and other not massively parallel applications. Unless you are doing something that can actually use 8 threads.
b) That's not actual liquid cooling
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 23:01 GMT
#20889
On April 22 2012 07:55 phar wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 07:49 Shauni wrote:
Intel Thermal Solution is best Thermal Solution. I especially enjoy the plastic pin fasteners where you need a gigantic amount of brute force to lock it down, and you still won't be sure if the thermal is even. And those motherfucking plastic bits (the ones that actually lock it) are so fragile that remounting the CPU another time will surely cause them to bend.
The cooler is pretty fucking loud at idle, and it doesn't cool nearly as well as the Phenom II AMD stock fans (cause it doesn't do 8000 rpm).
You'd think that they would hire a team to develop an acceptable mounting solution, but NO.
I'm sure you can find something more acceptable for 20-30$.

YES!

ALSO

WOLF T-SHIRT BEST T-SHIRT http://www.amazon.com/The-Mountain-Three-Short-Sleeve/dp/B002HJ377A


Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 07:50 STYDawn wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:26 phar wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:13 STYDawn wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:03 skyR wrote:
Earthwatts is a good unit and a good choice at that price but it isn't modular.

That is a joke right? You're going to pair an Intel stock heatsink with a 3820... really?

The entire reason why 3820 doesn't include a heatsink is because including a heatsink no one will use is an absolute waste of money for Intel.


well, if someones selling it, somebody clearly needs it.

Just because they sell it does not mean it's a good deal. You can also buy like $50 adapters from Apple when a $4 equivalent one from Amazon or cablestogo does the exact same thing.

You're saving money in the wrong spot. If you instead got a 2500k and a beefy cooler for less money than a 3820, you would get better performance for basically everything.


you have to be smoking some hardcore stuff, the only way a 2500ks gonna beat a stock 3820 is if it on like liquid nitro or somethin.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BXRTS2011LC-Thermal-Solution-Liquid/dp/B006588Z7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335048188&sr=8-1

not really familiar with LC, idk if its gonna be compatible with the case.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I will respond assuming you are:

a) no, the comparison was 3820 + intel stock vs. i5-2500k + something like an h100 or nh-d14. In this case, the i5-2500k pushes 4.5~5.0 GHz with ease and smokes the 3820 out of the water for games and other not massively parallel applications. Unless you are doing something that can actually use 8 threads.
b) That's not actual liquid cooling


a)if i wanted to game i wouldn't be using i7, but rather an i5 and an expensive GPU
b)it is.
JingleHell
Profile Blog Joined March 2011
United States11308 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:07:15
April 21 2012 23:06 GMT
#20890
On April 22 2012 08:01 STYDawn wrote:
Show nested quote +
On April 22 2012 07:55 phar wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:49 Shauni wrote:
Intel Thermal Solution is best Thermal Solution. I especially enjoy the plastic pin fasteners where you need a gigantic amount of brute force to lock it down, and you still won't be sure if the thermal is even. And those motherfucking plastic bits (the ones that actually lock it) are so fragile that remounting the CPU another time will surely cause them to bend.
The cooler is pretty fucking loud at idle, and it doesn't cool nearly as well as the Phenom II AMD stock fans (cause it doesn't do 8000 rpm).
You'd think that they would hire a team to develop an acceptable mounting solution, but NO.
I'm sure you can find something more acceptable for 20-30$.

YES!

ALSO

WOLF T-SHIRT BEST T-SHIRT http://www.amazon.com/The-Mountain-Three-Short-Sleeve/dp/B002HJ377A


On April 22 2012 07:50 STYDawn wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:26 phar wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:13 STYDawn wrote:
On April 22 2012 07:03 skyR wrote:
Earthwatts is a good unit and a good choice at that price but it isn't modular.

That is a joke right? You're going to pair an Intel stock heatsink with a 3820... really?

The entire reason why 3820 doesn't include a heatsink is because including a heatsink no one will use is an absolute waste of money for Intel.


well, if someones selling it, somebody clearly needs it.

Just because they sell it does not mean it's a good deal. You can also buy like $50 adapters from Apple when a $4 equivalent one from Amazon or cablestogo does the exact same thing.

You're saving money in the wrong spot. If you instead got a 2500k and a beefy cooler for less money than a 3820, you would get better performance for basically everything.


you have to be smoking some hardcore stuff, the only way a 2500ks gonna beat a stock 3820 is if it on like liquid nitro or somethin.

http://www.amazon.com/Intel-BXRTS2011LC-Thermal-Solution-Liquid/dp/B006588Z7G/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1335048188&sr=8-1

not really familiar with LC, idk if its gonna be compatible with the case.

I'm not sure if you're serious, but I will respond assuming you are:

a) no, the comparison was 3820 + intel stock vs. i5-2500k + something like an h100 or nh-d14. In this case, the i5-2500k pushes 4.5~5.0 GHz with ease and smokes the 3820 out of the water for games and other not massively parallel applications. Unless you are doing something that can actually use 8 threads.
b) That's not actual liquid cooling


a)if i wanted to game i wouldn't be using i7, but rather an i5 and an expensive GPU
b)it is.


No, a 120mm closed loop is a piece of shit, it's roughly on par with an H60 or H70, IIRC, and those get outperformed by good $50 air coolers.

An i7 3820 is not all that amazingly better than a stock 2500k or 2600k.

http://www.techspot.com/review/492-intel-core-i7-3820/page6.html

Factor in OCing the SB with a high end cooler vs stock 3820? Forget it. If you just want to do it that way, just say so and do it, but for fucks sake, don't expect us to buy into your bad assumptions.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:07:37
April 21 2012 23:06 GMT
#20891
Ok let's back up here. What are you building? What are you going to be doing with it? If it's not gaming, have you considered looking a Xeons or Opterons instead?



And it's a matter of definition of 'liquid cooling.' I wouldn't call a closed loop CPU cooler a 'proper liquid cooling' solution. It's akin to the hxx[x] stuff you get from corsair. Not really any better (temp- or noise-wise) than a high end air cooler.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 23:12 GMT
#20892
On April 22 2012 08:06 phar wrote:
Ok let's back up here. What are you building? What are you going to be doing with it? If it's not gaming, have you considered looking a Xeons or Operterons instead?



And it's a matter of definition of 'liquid cooling.' I wouldn't call a closed loop CPU cooler a 'proper liquid cooling' solution. It's akin to the hxx[x] stuff you get from corsair. Not really any better (temp- or noise-wise) than a high end air cooler.


I am building a desktop computer
Its mostly for rendering my robotics team's animations, doing some amateur sculpting in max.
I want the machine to last a while and be able to be upgradeable and not dead-end.
I have no experience with xeons and opterons, i simply cannot find solid benchmarks for those things that make them better than non-server cpus. Perhaps you can explain them to me.
Due to budget constrictions, i wont be using quadro, but rather mainstream cards. Im looking at at least a HD 5770.
Myrmidon
Profile Blog Joined December 2004
United States9452 Posts
April 21 2012 23:19 GMT
#20893
Nothing's upgradeable for a long time without a new motherboard.

The Xeons and Opterons use the same architectures as the consumer chips, just sometimes in scaled-up configurations. Plus they support ECC memory, which is not particularly something you seem to need. However, the ones with more cores are way out of your price range, so you shouldn't bother.

I don't particularly see a compelling reason to get an i7-3820 over an i7-2600k for this purpose.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:24:55
April 21 2012 23:24 GMT
#20894
What's your budget? Do you need stuff like ECC, 32~64++ GB of RAM? How parallel are the applications are you running? Do you need like 16+ threads?

If the answer is mostly no to those, then Xeon/Opteron is probably not worth it. Personally at work, "they" decided that some of the above things are necessary, so we use Xeons.

It's really hard to answer without some concrete requirements (specifically what programs do you need to run, how fast, in what time, and can you link similar benchmarks?), an actual budget #, etc.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 23:25 GMT
#20895
On April 22 2012 08:19 Myrmidon wrote:
Nothing's upgradeable for a long time without a new motherboard.

The Xeons and Opterons use the same architectures as the consumer chips, just sometimes in scaled-up configurations. Plus they support ECC memory, which is not particularly something you seem to need. However, the ones with more cores are way out of your price range, so you shouldn't bother.

I don't particularly see a compelling reason to get an i7-3820 over an i7-2600k for this purpose.


They're the same price.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:27:06
April 21 2012 23:26 GMT
#20896
Mobos are not the same price. Also the i7-2600k probably offers better overclockability (unless you want to step up to the 39xxk version)
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
STYDawn
Profile Joined December 2011
137 Posts
April 21 2012 23:27 GMT
#20897
On April 22 2012 08:24 phar wrote:
What's your budget? Do you need stuff like ECC, 32~64++ GB of RAM? How parallel are the applications are you running? Do you need like 16+ threads?

If the answer is mostly no to those, then Xeon/Opteron is probably not worth it. Personally at work, "they" decided that some of the above things are necessary, so we use Xeons.

It's really hard to answer without some concrete requirements (specifically what programs do you need to run, how fast, in what time, and can you link similar benchmarks?), an actual budget #, etc.



$900 for all the actual parts except for a HDD, which i have.i could go up to $950, though thats pushing it.
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
April 21 2012 23:28 GMT
#20898
On April 22 2012 08:24 phar wrote:It's really hard to answer without some concrete requirements (specifically what programs do you need to run, how fast, in what time, and can you link similar benchmarks?), an actual budget #, etc.


To be clear: people here are pretty good about giving you a perfectly optimized setup if you come and say "I want to run X games at Y resolution for Z dollars."

If you instead come in without X, Y, or Z, and then start debating about a 3820 with a stock intel cooler, people are just going to think you're crazy and stop listening to what you have to say, because you're not making any sense.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
phar
Profile Joined August 2011
United States1080 Posts
Last Edited: 2012-04-21 23:30:22
April 21 2012 23:29 GMT
#20899
$900 for mobo, CPU, case, SSD, RAM, OS, and GPU?


monitor/keyboard/mouse done?


How GPU heavy are the programs you're going to be running? If they're very GPU heavy, the fact that we're even talking about $300+ processors on a $900 budget might be insane.
Who after all is today speaking about the destruction of the Armenians?
Ahzz
Profile Joined May 2007
Finland780 Posts
April 21 2012 23:30 GMT
#20900
OK final two problems I'd like to figure out before going and placing my order.
1) The rig I'm ordering is here, which I gathered with the advice that I got earlier today:
ASRock P67 Pro3 (B3), Sockel 1155, ATX (Is there a difference between P67 and Z67 that matter to me? I save a few euro with p67)
Intel Core i5-2500K Box, LGA1155
Powercolor HD7850 2GB GDDR5
BitFenix Shinobi Midi-Tower USB 3.0 black, ohne Netzteil
Super-Flower Amazon 80Plus 550W (shikyo suggested 400w i think... Is that enough? it is a little bit cheaper, but if I'll overclock I better get this option instead?)
WD Caviar Blue 500GB SATA 3 6Gb/s
Samsung SH-222AB bare schwarz SATA
Thermalright True Spirit 120 (Aftermarket heatsink that shikyo suggested)
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-Bit (SB-Version)

TOTAL PRICE NOW 773,21 € (from http://www1.hardwareversand.de/home.jsp)

2) Since I'm determined to do some overclocking for my cpu, I'd like to clear out a few things (I did read some links over here, and stickies, but these are things I'd like to confirm):
-The aftermarket cooler/heatsink that is mentioned in my list is that cuz the store didnt have cooler amster hyper 212 evo, however, I can buy that from http://www.verkkokauppa.com/fi/product/55644/dffrm/Cooler-Master-Hyper-212-EVO-1366-1156-1155-775-FM1-AM3-AM3 for 30€ which is only +7€ with a minor inconvenience only. If the difference in noise, performance, cooling is noticeable or if nobody has experience with the one I mentioned in my list, I have no problems buying this one separate.
-If I understood correct, I install windows and get everything working, and after that I should be able to overclock my cpu through bios, and with my rig, there should be a setting for a multiplier for my cpu, and according to what SkyR said in another thread, a 40-45 range is a good place to start. I should then stress test my cpu with prime95. Did I miss anything that I should do in between?
-I should easily be able to overclock my 2500k to 4.2ghz or so, and even that should be a mild overclock, and wouldn't decrease the lifespan of my parts.

Sorry for repeating some questions that have no doubt been answered, this is my first time building a gaming rig by myself, and a 800€ investment is something that I really dont want to take too many chances with.
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