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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
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Snackysnacks
United States411 Posts
http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/cat/categoryID.37826100 I would also check local stores(such as frys's) for odds/ends such as Heatsinks or fans, often times you can find a deal or two compared to online prices. (found a coolermaster 212 one time for 20 bucks, much cheaper than online, and a bunch of deals on cases) | ||
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thisisnotralph
United States101 Posts
On April 09 2012 16:36 Snackysnacks wrote: If you are a college student (or able to sign up community college, that works too) you can get discounts on windows 7 professional. http://www.microsoftstore.com/store/msstore/en_US/cat/categoryID.37826100 I would also check local stores(such as frys's) for odds/ends such as Heatsinks or fans, often times you can find a deal or two compared to online prices. (found a coolermaster 212 one time for 20 bucks, much cheaper than online, and a bunch of deals on cases) well that windows promo is an upgrade. so it would be pointless for a new build, right? | ||
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phar
United States1080 Posts
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
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Ficetool
Germany165 Posts
On April 09 2012 19:05 Rachnar wrote: You can do a fresh install with it. You can, but you need to change something in your system settings so the computer doesn't know you are only using an upgrade version. Otherwise you will be ask to register after 30 days and it will NOT accept your windows 7 upgrade key. The Windows 7 key only works if you had Vista installed and then you install Windows 7 over it. However, as I said, all you need to do is change a 1 to a 0 somewhere in the system settings and Windows will accept your key. | ||
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Snackysnacks
United States411 Posts
On April 09 2012 19:26 Ficetool wrote: You can, but you need to change something in your system settings so the computer doesn't know you are only using an upgrade version. Otherwise you will be ask to register after 30 days and it will NOT accept your windows 7 upgrade key. The Windows 7 key only works if you had Vista installed and then you install Windows 7 over it. However, as I said, all you need to do is change a 1 to a 0 somewhere in the system settings and Windows will accept your key. That, or you install, get the popup saying its only for upgrades, then just install it again a second time and it works. I use it for every new build i do, the double install method if they buy it through that discount. | ||
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Punic
United States152 Posts
Some immediate concerns 1. Looking to stay between 800-1000 (preferably under 1000) 2. Currently debating between AMD and Intel Processors 3. Looking to do some overclocking and have little knowledge on MOBO's in regards to overclocking Here is what I got so far: Case Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Video Card EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit Power Supply CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 (CMPSU-650HX) 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Hard Drive Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Heatsink Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564 Currently here is the Intel Processor Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W and the Intel Board MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS On there other hand, here is the AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor that I was looking at. I was unsure of sturdy AMD MOBO's used for overclocking, so I am open to suggestions. I am open to suggestions to all parts, and I look forward to reading your input. Thank you guys very much, Punic <3 | ||
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:42 Punic wrote: + Show Spoiler + Hello, I am currently in the process of building another computer, and I wanted the helpful advice of the TL community. Some immediate concerns 1. Looking to stay between 800-1000 (preferably under 1000) 2. Currently debating between AMD and Intel Processors 3. Looking to do some overclocking and have little knowledge on MOBO's in regards to overclocking Here is what I got so far: Case Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Video Card EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit Power Supply CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 (CMPSU-650HX) 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Hard Drive Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Heatsink Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564 Currently here is the Intel Processor Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W and the Intel Board MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS On there other hand, here is the AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor that I was looking at. I was unsure of sturdy AMD MOBO's used for overclocking, so I am open to suggestions. I am open to suggestions to all parts, and I look forward to reading your input. Thank you guys very much, Punic <3 - Intel offers better price/performance and max performance so there's no reason to go with AMD (CPU's that is; GPU's are okay) - HX650 is extremely overkill for a single 560ti system. Any decent ~500W PSU will be more than enough with headroom for overclocking. Having said that, the Antec EarthWatts 650 is on sale @ newegg & Amazon for $60 so I'd just get that. - Thermaltake Frio is loud as hell and I strongly suggest you get something like a True Spirit instead. Not sure if it will fit in the Rosewill Challenger though. Make sure that case has at least 163mm clearance for heatsinks. Or you could get the less expensive Xigmatek Gaia for $30 (if you're only doing a mild/moderate overclock) and it will surely fit - get a 2500K with some P67/Z68 mobo since you want to overclock it (side note: big benefit for SC2, almost none for most other games, where more money into the graphics cards would give bigger benefits) | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 10 2012 05:42 Punic wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hello, I am currently in the process of building another computer, and I wanted the helpful advice of the TL community. Some immediate concerns 1. Looking to stay between 800-1000 (preferably under 1000) 2. Currently debating between AMD and Intel Processors 3. Looking to do some overclocking and have little knowledge on MOBO's in regards to overclocking Here is what I got so far: Case Rosewill CHALLENGER Black Gaming ATX Mid Tower Video Card EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR GeForce GTX 560 Ti FPB (Fermi) 1GB 256-bit Power Supply CORSAIR Professional Series HX650 (CMPSU-650HX) 650W ATX12V v2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 RAM G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 Hard Drive Western Digital Caviar Blue WD3200AAKS 320GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s Heatsink Thermaltake Frio Overclocking-Ready Intel Core i7 (six-core ready) & i5 Compatible Five 8mm Heatpipes Dual 120mm Fans Intel & AMD Universal CPU Cooler CLP0564 Currently here is the Intel Processor Intel Core i5-2500K Sandy Bridge 3.3GHz (3.7GHz Turbo Boost) LGA 1155 95W and the Intel Board MSI P67A-GD53 (B3) LGA 1155 Intel P67 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard with UEFI BIOS On there other hand, here is the AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor that I was looking at. I was unsure of sturdy AMD MOBO's used for overclocking, so I am open to suggestions. I am open to suggestions to all parts, and I look forward to reading your input. Thank you guys very much, Punic <3 2500k is better than a Phenom II, there should be no debate here. Radeon HD7850 is available at the same price as the EVGA GTX 560 Ti -AR and is better overall. Corsair HX650 is good if you value a seven year warranty and a semi-modular power supply. Otherwise, the Capstone 650 for $80 would be better: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817182071 I'd take a Z77A G45 over the P67A G53. | ||
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Halure
Canada26 Posts
- How challenging is it to overclock? I remember reading a post that said its pretty simple to do a light OC using the software packaged with your motherboard and tweaking the voltages. - What sort of aftermarket cooling would I need for an overclock? I don't plan on going crazy with the OC, but I'm not sure what sort of CPU cooler I would need for it. - Is the performance worth the extra money I need to spend for the CPU and motherboard? I plan on mostly gaming with the new rig and the extra money could be spent on a beefier GPU rather than the OC. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 10 2012 06:12 Halure wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I'm getting ready to build a new rig this summer, and I'm undecided about whether or not to OC. I have a few questions about overclocking the Core i5 2500k... - How challenging is it to overclock? I remember reading a post that said its pretty simple to do a light OC using the software packaged with your motherboard and tweaking the voltages. - What sort of aftermarket cooling would I need for an overclock? I don't plan on going crazy with the OC, but I'm not sure what sort of CPU cooler I would need for it. - Is the performance worth the extra money I need to spend for the CPU and motherboard? I plan on mostly gaming with the new rig and the extra money could be spent on a beefier GPU rather than the OC. Overclocking with the 2500k or 3570k (what you'll probably end up buying) is easy. You can just increase the multiplier to x value and leave voltage on auto, stress test, and then adjust as wanted / needed. There's also the option of using OC Genie (MSI), TPU (ASUS), etc which will usually give you a ~4.1GHz overclock. Any inexpensive aftermarket hetasink such as the Coolermaster Hyper 212+ for ~$23 will be more than fine for a decent overclock. Yes, you would be better off spending money on the GPU first if gaming is the primary intention. Whether is worth it or not is always up to the individual. The difference between overclocking and not is usually only $50-$100, which isn't a lot. | ||
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Medrea
10003 Posts
I found the option in my BIOS. "Multiplier" I hit backspace over "33" twice. Type in "40". Overclocking experience complete. I used a coolermaster 212+. Thats like around 23 percent clock speed in 5 seconds. Performance increase is around there as well, considering the chip clocks to that point easily. I didnt even have to touch Vcore. | ||
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Halure
Canada26 Posts
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
The point is that I would like to see if I can upgrade the performance in SC2 a little. I have recently swapped my old HD 5450 for a 4850, but the increase in performence was not really there and it seems that it is the CPU (Athlon II X2 255) that is holding the system back. But the highest dualcore Phenom do not seem to be so much better (I haven't found a comparison with the 570, but the 565 seems to be only about 30% faster in benchmarks than my Athlon). The X6s are obviously better on paper, but this comes mainly from the extra cores - if they are not used, there is no point in upgrading at all. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On April 10 2012 08:09 opisska wrote: I am a little confused with the information presentet in this thread. The OP lists quad- and hexcore AMD CPUs as recommended, but multiple websites state that SC2 will not use more than 2 cores - if this is true it makes those CPUs basically worthless. The point is that I would like to see if I can upgrade the performance in SC2 a little. I have recently swapped my old HD 5450 for a 4850, but the increase in performence was not really there and it seems that it is the CPU (Athlon II X2 255) that is holding the system back. But the highest dualcore Phenom do not seem to be so much better (I haven't found a comparison with the 570, but the 565 seems to be only about 30% faster in benchmarks than my Athlon). The X6s are obviously better on paper, but this comes mainly from the extra cores - if they are not used, there is no point in upgrading at all. per-core performance matters in this situation, as in the phenoms will perform better with 2 cores than the athlon II with 2 cores, does that make sense? even though most people would suggest something like an i3-2100 (intel) if you're not willing to spend much. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 10 2012 08:09 opisska wrote:+ Show Spoiler + I am a little confused with the information presentet in this thread. The OP lists quad- and hexcore AMD CPUs as recommended, but multiple websites state that SC2 will not use more than 2 cores - if this is true it makes those CPUs basically worthless. The point is that I would like to see if I can upgrade the performance in SC2 a little. I have recently swapped my old HD 5450 for a 4850, but the increase in performence was not really there and it seems that it is the CPU (Athlon II X2 255) that is holding the system back. But the highest dualcore Phenom do not seem to be so much better (I haven't found a comparison with the 570, but the 565 seems to be only about 30% faster in benchmarks than my Athlon). The X6s are obviously better on paper, but this comes mainly from the extra cores - if they are not used, there is no point in upgrading at all. This thread is about building computers, not specifically building a computer for Starcraft II -_- What iKill[ShocK] said isn't true. Athlon II and Phenom II are based on the same architecture on the same manufacturing process. Performance between the two will be nearly identical given the same clock speed, the difference comes from the Phenom II having more cache. You're right if you aren't going to use the extra cores, there is no point in upgrading from an X2 to an X6. If you want better performance, you're going to need to buy a new motherboard for an Intel Core i3 or i5. | ||
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iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:00 skyR wrote: This thread is about building computers, not specifically building a computer for Starcraft II -_- What iKill[ShocK] said isn't true. Athlon II and Phenom II are based on the same architecture on the same manufacturing process. Performance between the two will be nearly identical given the same clock speed, the difference comes from the Phenom II having more cache. You're right if you aren't going to use the extra cores, there is no point in upgrading from an X2 to an X6. If you want better performance, you're going to need to buy a new motherboard for an Intel Core i3 or i5. makes sense. my bad | ||
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TelperionKaadu
United States3 Posts
What is your budget? I would like to spend up to $1100, but it is no big deal if it goes over that. What is your resolution? I do not think my resolution matters to much to me, I am willing to use anything, as long as it looks decent. What are you using it for? I spend a lot of time on Starcraft, and that is the main purpose (gaming in general). But, I would also like it to be able to stream. I play a lot of other games, and it would be nice to be able to handle things like Skyrim. What is your upgrade cycle? I am on a longer upgrade cycle I guess. I would like to spend more now, and not worry about upgrading it in the future. When do you plan on building it? Ill be building it as soon as I can. Do you plan on overclocking? I don't plan on overclocking as this is my first time, and I think I should play it safe until I better understand everything. Do you need an Operating System? Yea, I guess I do need windows. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? I dont plan on anything, I am not sure what the added benefits to this is, so I am willing to do whatever. Where are you buying your parts from? Newegg. | ||
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TheArtisan
Australia26 Posts
What is your budget? I would like to spend up to $1000 just for cpu What is your resolution? not sure what is resolution but i dont really care..... What are you using it for? starcraft 2.....some school work, lots of streaming..........i would like to play other games in future but now i only play starcraft 2 and i dont know what other games i would play. What is your upgrade cycle? 0 When do you plan on building it? in a few hours im going to a shop to buy the stuff Do you plan on overclocking? I don't plan on overclocking as this is my first time, and I think I should play it safe until I better understand everything. Do you need an Operating System? Yea, I guess I do need windows. Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? dont know whats this. Where are you buying your parts from? local shop | ||
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