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iTzSnypah
United States1738 Posts
Things I like: Isn't ugly. only 2 5.25 expansion slots, I can't stand the look 4 slots create. 120mm Intake and Exhaust Intake low/Exhaust high Small (mATX Mid Tower) Things I dislike: Only thing I can see from the pictures is the RETARDED side fan mounts Pictures eSATA/Firewire on the front panel but isn't there | ||
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opisska
Poland8852 Posts
On April 10 2012 09:00 skyR wrote: This thread is about building computers, not specifically building a computer for Starcraft II -_- What iKill[ShocK] said isn't true. Athlon II and Phenom II are based on the same architecture on the same manufacturing process. Performance between the two will be nearly identical given the same clock speed, the difference comes from the Phenom II having more cache. You're right if you aren't going to use the extra cores, there is no point in upgrading from an X2 to an X6. If you want better performance, you're going to need to buy a new motherboard for an Intel Core i3 or i5. Thank you. I don't know if this is the absolutely best thread to discuss, so I am sorry, but I wuold like to follow up with a small question. So it lloks that I should buy a new motherboard + CPU, that's a lot of money, so before I would like to ask you whether someone can judge if I do not have any other problem that holds the PC back that could be solved, I don't know, by software or whatever. I have: Athlon II X2 255 (3.1 GHz), 4 GB DDR3 PC 10600 (8-8-8-24), a AMD 760G-based Motherboard, and an HD 4850, running Win XP SP3, with the latest Catalysts, in 1920x1080. SCII runs smooth only on "lowest" graphic - on medium, there is usually quite some lag in the largest battles (outside of them, it runs smooth). Is that the perfmorance expected from the setup? It is not "that bad", so I would maybe expect more, but I don't know (I was quote an expert when 386s were around, but know I feel a little lost). | ||
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Rachnar
France1526 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:00 TheArtisan wrote: i might still have time to go and change it, can someone quickly help me what to change for my computer and i'll ask them to change it.. or anything to add???? i dont mind spending abit more so i can get a decent and long term pc... do i need to add some fan??? ( coolerr)) If still time, you'd want a CM hyper 212+ cheapest hd6870 in replacement of the gtx560 (same performance and is cheaper) cheapest 2*4gb ram at 1.5v they have PSU like Antec HCG/EAD series, OCZ ZT/ZT/ZX series, any Seasonic, etc... And for the SSD you would prefer a Samsung series 830, Crucial M4, Plextor m3, or any intel @opisska Well your gpu is plenty fine for low settings, def the cpu holding you back, if you want to upgrade it would just be mobo/cpu since you have ddr3 already... If you were to do so, to get good performance in game you would want an i3-21**, and some cheap h61/h67/h77/b75 you could also get an i5-2400, would allow you to even stream up to a decent 720p or if you want to overclock, i5-2500k, some p67/z68/z77, and like a hyper 212 +/Evo | ||
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Foooky
Australia205 Posts
I ended up buying a fractal design arc - and a z68 pro-3m mobo... Now there is this blue cable that says SSusb on it which I assume is USB 3.0 but I do not know where to plug it in? Am i correct in assuming that my motherboard is not compatible with this feature and that the front panel wont work for me? Hope somebody can help, thanks. | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
EDIT: nevermind, a comment above answered it | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
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Wabbit
United States1028 Posts
On April 10 2012 17:08 opisska wrote: + Show Spoiler + Thank you. I don't know if this is the absolutely best thread to discuss, so I am sorry, but I wuold like to follow up with a small question. So it lloks that I should buy a new motherboard + CPU, that's a lot of money, so before I would like to ask you whether someone can judge if I do not have any other problem that holds the PC back that could be solved, I don't know, by software or whatever. I have: Athlon II X2 255 (3.1 GHz), 4 GB DDR3 PC 10600 (8-8-8-24), a AMD 760G-based Motherboard, and an HD 4850, running Win XP SP3, with the latest Catalysts, in 1920x1080. SCII runs smooth only on "lowest" graphic - on medium, there is usually quite some lag in the largest battles (outside of them, it runs smooth). Is that the perfmorance expected from the setup? It is not "that bad", so I would maybe expect more, but I don't know (I was quote an expert when 386s were around, but know I feel a little lost) It's an okay place to ask. It could otherwise go in the "Simple questions simple answers" thread, but we already got some background here, and it's not necessarily the simplest of questions/answers. Your SC2 performance on medium is pretty much expected, nothing surprising there. For example, check this benchmark (scroll down for SC2; your CPU is identical to the Athlon II x4 645 for sc2 purposes): http://www.anandtech.com/show/3937/amds-fall-refresh-new-phenom-ii-and-athlon-ii-cpus-balance-price-and-performance/5 What you can do for now is play with medium GPU settings such as shaders (which makes the game look not worse than BroodWar, like low shaders does IMO Lolol), and low CPU settings (Physics, etc.). I doubt you can overclock on your motherboard... what specific model is it? Unfortunately, there isn't really a good upgrade path for you on that mobo. Paying ~$100-140 for a Phenom II x2 or x4, which would give you ~10-30% performance increase (assuming your mobo supports Phenom II x4's, 125W TDP CPU's), probably isn't worth it. You could pay $115 for a Core i3 2120 (which is better than the Core cpu's seen in that first benchmark), $50-100 for some LGA 1155 mobo with whatever features you want, and re-use your DDR3, and get ~50% better performance. The downside is that you'd have to re-install Windows and it will cost at least $50 more. The upside is that you wouldn't be investing in dead tech. Here's an i3 2100, slightly weaker than the 2120, vs a Athlon II x2 265, slightly better than your 255: http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/289?vs=190 Phenom II's are getting hard to find too, since AMD has stopped production of most/all of them and they're overpriced now (they weren't even a great value since Sandy Bridge has been released). | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 10 2012 19:36 Foooky wrote:+ Show Spoiler + Hello, I ended up buying a fractal design arc - and a z68 pro-3m mobo... Now there is this blue cable that says SSusb on it which I assume is USB 3.0 but I do not know where to plug it in? Am i correct in assuming that my motherboard is not compatible with this feature and that the front panel wont work for me? Hope somebody can help, thanks. Asrock Z68 Pro3 and most lower-end boards do not have front panel USB3 headers so you will need to use an adapter for it to plug it into the USB2 header. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 10 2012 23:51 xeo1 wrote: what's the cheapest mobo to go with a 2500k? Just go to Newegg and sort by price... | ||
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Merik
55 Posts
1200 euro max What is your resolution? 1920 x 1080 (1920 x 1200 ? not sure) I also need a monitor. What are you using it for? Gaming, maybe streaming but not HD What is your upgrade cycle? 2/3 years + When do you plan on building it? In about 1 month Do you plan on overclocking? Yes, but not at first Do you need an Operating System? Yes Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? no Where are you buying your parts from? I dont know, im from The Netherlands and i dont really know a good store. | ||
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Myrmidon
United States9452 Posts
On April 10 2012 23:51 skyR wrote: Asrock Z68 Pro3 and most lower-end boards do not have front panel USB3 headers so you will need to use an adapter for it to plug it into the USB2 header. This, but there's also the option of getting an expansion card with an internal USB3 header to plug to the front panel, if you actually want the USB3 speeds up front. | ||
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skyR
Canada13817 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:38 iTzSnypah wrote:+ Show Spoiler + What do you guys think about this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119193 Things I like: Isn't ugly. only 2 5.25 expansion slots, I can't stand the look 4 slots create. 120mm Intake and Exhaust Intake low/Exhaust high Small (mATX Mid Tower) Things I dislike: Only thing I can see from the pictures is the RETARDED side fan mounts Pictures eSATA/Firewire on the front panel but isn't there Case is ugly and overpriced. If you're looking for in-expensive cases, Newegg is not the place to look. | ||
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Shikyo
Finland33997 Posts
On April 10 2012 16:38 iTzSnypah wrote: What do you guys think about this case: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119193 Things I like: Isn't ugly. only 2 5.25 expansion slots, I can't stand the look 4 slots create. 120mm Intake and Exhaust Intake low/Exhaust high Small (mATX Mid Tower) Things I dislike: Only thing I can see from the pictures is the RETARDED side fan mounts Pictures eSATA/Firewire on the front panel but isn't there It's "okay", it'll work but not that great at the price. My recommendation is something like this: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811352009 | ||
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EdenPLusDucky
571 Posts
What is your budget? 800-900 USD, not planning to buy new monitor or DVD burner. Budget doesn't cover OS What is your resolution? 1920x1080 on main monitor, 1280x1024 on the other for old games What are you using it for? Starcraft 2 and older games like age of empires. Streaming sc2 in 720p What is your upgrade cycle? I almost never upgrade for 4-5 years unless my parts get damaged or if there are newer, well priced parts with better overclocking capabilities When do you plan on building it? Soon, maybe after the release of ivy bridge, so the processor recommendations can wait I guess Do you plan on overclocking? Yes Do you need an Operating System? Yep, don't have a win7 disc lying around Do you plan to add a second GPU for SLI or Crossfire? No Where are you buying your parts from? I have absolutely no idea where to find parts for a reasonable price in Singapore | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
also, how come only 3 of the 4 gigs are showing under system? the parts are: intel core quad Q8400 2.66 ghz asus 780i P5N72-T mobo 2x2 GB PC6400 DDR2 800 RAM 320GB SATA II 3GB 16MB 7200 RPM HD EVGA nvidia GTX 260 CORE 216 896MB PCI-E corsair CX430 V2 x-cruiser mid tower lite-on 24x DVDRW/12-in-one itnernal card reader I rather replace a defected part as opposed to buying a new PC, as this one is still decent. | ||
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
I suggest reseating everything, including cables for starters. Also, anger management classes. (Insert various jokes about irony of me saying that here.) | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
On April 11 2012 02:21 JingleHell wrote: If slapping it helps, could be a loose connection somewhere. If you're showing 3GB RAM, most likely you're using a 32bit OS. I suggest reseating everything, including cables for starters. Also, anger management classes. (Insert various jokes about irony of me saying that here.) ok. someone suggested the mobo could be the problem.. what do you think? | ||
iKill[ShocK]
Vietnam3530 Posts
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JingleHell
United States11308 Posts
On April 11 2012 02:25 xeo1 wrote: ok. someone suggested the mobo could be the problem.. what do you think? All kinds of things could be the problem. But you should start by reseating everything, including power cables. Also power button connectors, and things like that. Check for shorts to the case. Power-on issues should never start with "replace hardware x". Unless of course, hardware x is a shit PSU. And sometimes, violence IS the answer, shock. For example, if your PC is terrible, but has the unfortunate habit of turning on, and a family member isn't willing to replace it while it works. At that point, calamity is a good thing. | ||
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xeo1
United States429 Posts
On April 11 2012 02:29 JingleHell wrote: All kinds of things could be the problem. But you should start by reseating everything, including power cables. Also power button connectors, and things like that. Check for shorts to the case. Power-on issues should never start with "replace hardware x". Unless of course, hardware x is a shit PSU. And sometimes, violence IS the answer, shock. For example, if your PC is terrible, but has the unfortunate habit of turning on, and a family member isn't willing to replace it while it works. At that point, calamity is a good thing. yea I replaced the PSU already, thought it was the problem because the one before was some azza stock. and the corsair I bought was only $17  | ||
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