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Navane
Profile Blog Joined February 2007
Netherlands2748 Posts
June 30 2009 20:42 GMT
#81
What is garema? Is it the new Hamachi or what?
Idle
Profile Joined May 2009
Korea (South)124 Posts
June 30 2009 20:42 GMT
#82
On July 01 2009 05:39 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 05:35 Bebop Berserker wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:32 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:23 Bebop Berserker wrote:
Ummm taking out Lan support for people who bought the game isn't an answer to blizzard losing some fucking money.

They make enough dirty money taking a graphically enhanced version of a computer simulated yeast infection and shoving it up peoples asses for $15 a month.(WoW for those who are stupid or uneducated)

Having to have an internet connection to play is bullshit. Couldn't they have some kind of authenticator that you had to update like 1nce a month to play in a LAN? I hope Blizzcon has so many problems with their network and they fail @ presenting SC2. Just so they have to deal with their greedy shit like we have to.

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On July 01 2009 05:13 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
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The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job.


lol... not even going to address further posts if you honestly think thats how the rest of the world outside North America works.

We'll see what Blizzard says over the next couple days but its looking pretty grim. Hopefully it gets the attention it deserves.

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 05:13 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:09 BC.KoRn wrote:
Damn chinese!


Basically. If it wasn't for millions of Chinese pirates, they wouldn't care about the thousands of people who would exploit LAN. But millions is a lot more than thousands, and SOMEONE has to teach China to pay for things.



wow... you really know nothing about foreign countries do you...


What I was saying is that videos games are not a necessity, and if someone is too poor to afford to play them, then they shouldn't, and can spend their money on other things they need more, or can afford.

I know that in China there is tons of piracy and no respect for intellectual property. Obviously some of these people are poorer and can't afford VIDEO GAMES, but it's hard to feel bad for people who can't afford LUXURY ITEMS and complain about it.


Oh and lets take away your electricity and see if you don't bitch. Fucking hypocrite.


So because I can afford electricity, poor people deserve to get free online video games? Great logic.


Wow are you stupid?I said "you would bitch if you didn't have a certain luxury too. Stop complaining at people for something your not near perfect at."


I don't bitch that I can't afford sports cars, or huge mansions. I can afford what I can afford. I just find it whiney that people who bitch about how they can't afford video games. Video games are not a right, they are a luxury item that should be low on the priority list on your budget. Electricity is high on the list, because you use it to cook food.

Comparing electricity to video games in terms of importance is not a good comparison.


Many people that can afford to pay one time for a game cannot afford to pay a broadband subscription. You're basically arguing that because you can't afford all the luxuries that you shouldn't buy any of them.
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Captain Peabody
Profile Blog Joined May 2009
United States3099 Posts
June 30 2009 20:42 GMT
#83
That's their way of saying 'we want everyone to pay for this game, anyone living in a poor country who cant afford it? too bad'.




Um...what in the name of Colney Hatch?

So, apparently, Blizzard has now gotten so greedy, so filthy, so utterly irredeemable through their money-grubbing World of Warcraft ways, that they're now actually making people pay for their games before they can play them!

*gasp*

And, even worse, this new-fangled, before-unheard-of form of extortion will mean that if you don't have enough money to buy the game, you can't play it! The horrors!

And, as if that wasn't enough, it also means that if you are a poor person who doesn't have enough money to buy the game, you also will not be able to play Starcraft 2!

Clearly, this can mean only one thing: Blizzard hates poor people. Pass it on.

(sigh)

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Gunman_csz
Profile Blog Joined October 2008
United Arab Emirates492 Posts
June 30 2009 20:43 GMT
#84
On July 01 2009 05:32 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 05:23 Bebop Berserker wrote:
Ummm taking out Lan support for people who bought the game isn't an answer to blizzard losing some fucking money.

They make enough dirty money taking a graphically enhanced version of a computer simulated yeast infection and shoving it up peoples asses for $15 a month.(WoW for those who are stupid or uneducated)

Having to have an internet connection to play is bullshit. Couldn't they have some kind of authenticator that you had to update like 1nce a month to play in a LAN? I hope Blizzcon has so many problems with their network and they fail @ presenting SC2. Just so they have to deal with their greedy shit like we have to.

+ Show Spoiler +

On July 01 2009 05:13 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Show nested quote +
The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job.


lol... not even going to address further posts if you honestly think thats how the rest of the world outside North America works.

We'll see what Blizzard says over the next couple days but its looking pretty grim. Hopefully it gets the attention it deserves.

Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 05:13 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:09 BC.KoRn wrote:
Damn chinese!


Basically. If it wasn't for millions of Chinese pirates, they wouldn't care about the thousands of people who would exploit LAN. But millions is a lot more than thousands, and SOMEONE has to teach China to pay for things.



wow... you really know nothing about foreign countries do you...


What I was saying is that videos games are not a necessity, and if someone is too poor to afford to play them, then they shouldn't, and can spend their money on other things they need more, or can afford.

I know that in China there is tons of piracy and no respect for intellectual property. Obviously some of these people are poorer and can't afford VIDEO GAMES, but it's hard to feel bad for people who can't afford LUXURY ITEMS and complain about it.


Oh and lets take away your electricity and see if you don't bitch. Fucking hypocrite.


So because I can afford electricity, poor people deserve to pirate online video games? Great logic.

If someone is too poor to afford a video game or the Internet to play it, then they shouldn't play it. They have no right to playing the game for free just because they want it and don't have money, or don't want to spend money.


But people who buy the original game shouldn't be punished just because some Chinese will pirate the game. Lan functionality is a basic service - like Air condition or audio system in a car.

They should try to find a different way to fight piracy, where buyers don't have to suffer.
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Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 20:45:02
June 30 2009 20:44 GMT
#85
On July 01 2009 05:43 Gunman_csz wrote:

But people who buy the original game shouldn't be punished just because some Chinese will pirate the game. Lan functionality is a basic service - like Air condition or audio system in a car.

They should try to find a different way to fight piracy, where buyers don't have to suffer.


Actually you pay extra for air conditioning, and for a non-sucky sound system. The base model of most cars do not come with AC unless it's a high end luxury car base model.
theqat
Profile Blog Joined March 2008
United States2856 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 20:48:30
June 30 2009 20:45 GMT
#86
It depends on what country you're in. I would certainly hope cars in the UAE would have air conditioning standard. I know it's not standard in Britain and it shouldn't need to be standard for most of Canada, either, but it's standard in the US.
teh leet newb
Profile Blog Joined January 2005
United States1999 Posts
June 30 2009 20:46 GMT
#87
On July 01 2009 05:03 Zzoram wrote:
How many of you honestly don't have your computer connected to the Internet all the time? It's not a big deal, and it stops pirates from playing online, encouraging them to actually pay for things instead of stealing.

A LAN at a friend's house will still be easy Internet access.


Wrong. My friends and I have been setting up 15+ people LAN parties for years. They're held in basements, which means that the router connected to the internet is on the first floor. We always bring a separate router to connect all our computers to, and this means no internet. Laptops will be okay because of WiFi, but very few desktops actually have WiFi cards. This would be a huge hassle for home LAN parties.

Someone suggested a Steam-like system where you go online and then play LAN. That doesn't quite work either, since there are tons of cracked Steam games available for download. Whenever we play Steam games at our LANs, we end up downloading a cracked version and distributing it via external hard drives and network sharing. I can see similar things happening to SC2.
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d(O.o)a
Profile Blog Joined June 2008
Canada5066 Posts
June 30 2009 20:50 GMT
#88
You're sure it has nothing to do with them implementing a eSports tax? Thank goodness.
Hi.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
June 30 2009 20:52 GMT
#89
On July 01 2009 05:50 iCCup.d(O.o)a wrote:
You're sure it has nothing to do with them implementing a eSports tax? Thank goodness.


They won't charge for online play. However, they will likely charge a small fee to host eSports Tournaments, but they can also market it through Battle.net ads, and we still don't know if they will have some kind of Battle.net based way to Tournament casts.
Bebop Berserker
Profile Joined April 2009
United States246 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 20:59:58
June 30 2009 20:59 GMT
#90
Holy shit I now know why they dropped it!

NonY, “What [Blizzard] really need[s] to avoid is the best players all just playing with each other on LAN or on something else off battle.net.”
Whatever happens, happens.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
June 30 2009 21:00 GMT
#91
On July 01 2009 05:59 Bebop Berserker wrote:
Holy shit I now know why they dropped it!

NonY, “What [Blizzard] really need[s] to avoid is the best players all just playing with each other on LAN or on something else off battle.net.”


That is the whole "splitting the community" arguement, and it clearly has merit. No LAN is clearly a mix of both discouraging piracy (not preventing, but creating incentive to pay) and keeping everyone together in a single large community.
whyohwhy
Profile Joined June 2009
60 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 21:23:16
June 30 2009 21:09 GMT
#92
Why anyone would actually defend the removal of feature baffles me.
What exactly does any end user stand to gain from the removal of a feature that benefits other users? Absolutely nothing. Yet a bunch of people are roaming around here like they are literally on Blizzard's payroll for terrible terrible PR.

Adding an online authentication check to play SC2 Lan adds a liability to the whole process which is the internet connection, which can go down (and then you can't play SC2 multiplayer because Blizzard decided to not let you enjoy the game you paid for if you can't connect), which can have network related problems especially in large LANs, which can lagspike, etc. Personally I am on roadrunner FL and my connection still screws up once in a while, or spikes. What then? It ruins my LAN game because Blizzard arbitrarily added this unnecessary inconvenience for paying customers? Awesome!

Speaking of which, it's humorous how many of you here literally equate demand for LAN with piracy. Has it ever crossed your mind that you might just be talking to players who enjoy playing OFFLINE without having to setup a shared connection over a relatively large LAN, or enjoy not dealing with the liability of an often times less-than-awesome ISP? The level of dumb here is frankly quite astounding.

What happens to college dorms that won't let you connect to Bnet? "tough shit"? Great attitude guys, great attitude. The SC2 community is bound to be awesome with some of the posters here defending it.

I could add a word on the unstoppable force, as someone mentioned earlier, that is piracy. Within 2 days of release you can bet someone will have a cracked SC2 on piratebay, and within a week with multiplayer capability outside of Bnet. Why make legitimate customers pay for something that is going to happen anyway and take away a feature that so far has been standard in years of RTS gaming?

And the obvious answer is: controlling the esports scene, pretty much taxing it through "sanctioned" events.. $$$. Now if you think Blizzard is going to be a better manager, or that the scene will do better with heavier requirements superimposed onto it, then all the best to you, but I don't think you're too smart.

Again, I don't see any reason for anyone to defend this type of decision which does nothing but hurt legitimate customers, unless you're pretty much on Blizzard's payroll. In which case good luck with your TERRIBLE TERRIBLE PR.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 21:12:45
June 30 2009 21:10 GMT
#93
On July 01 2009 03:55 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 03:06 AdunToridas wrote:
Nice ideas.. Karune also said something about LAN parties with SC2 in THIS Blue post.
I have to say, I'm not convinced...

//edit: Tsagacity posted it before ^^


Wow, Karune's response to those posts is absolutely disgusting. Everything he replies with is his personal way of liking to do things and saying that private servers fracture the community? Please. That's their way of saying 'we want everyone to pay for this game, anyone living in a poor country who cant afford it? too bad'.

And pulling the 'I would be upset if I knew someone was free loading multiplayer while I paid for the real thing'. WTF... that argument reminds me of the 'don't copy that floppy' video... people stopped buying that argument a LONG time ago.

Which brings me to my next point... he uses the example of supporting a music artist by buying their songs, which really they get a very small percentage of the actual sale. If you want to actually support an artist go to their concerts, that's where they become rich. Especially when their music is something you wouldn't really buy anyway if you had no other means of listening to it.

He also shrugs off the possibility of internet not working during big LAN events. I really don't think he's been to any 500+ events like this, because if he had he would know that the internet is very spotty at best and usually has problems throughout the day. To try and run tournaments and live broadcasts with the risk of everything stopping because of down internet is so stupid. He even says its just as likely for the power to go out as it is the internet.... lol wat?

One last point that I'd like to add. He says that people playing on private servers is fracturing the community. This is COMPLETE bs. All they are doing is making it harder for people to host their own tournaments, especially at big events. How is that not fracturing the community instead of making the game playable to more people across the world?

The whole thing just smells of greed.



Maximizing profit should always be the number 1 goal of a company(unless it means murder/injury/sickness), it benefits both the gaming industry and society. Blizzard isn't greedy either(at least in an evil greed sense), they happen to be very passionate in creating games, far more passionate than most other game companies imo. Blizzard spends a lot of time catering for both the hardcore and average gamer customer of theirs. No other company spends so much time trying to make the game important for the hardcore gamer. And no other company spends so much time working on the game after it is done.

Furthermore, saving games from piracy is a really good thing for us. If piracy was unstoppable there would be no games. I know blizzard would still make huge amounts of with lan support, but piracy needs to be eradicated.

Lastly, you don't even know all the features of Bnet2.0, so how can you make judgments? SC2 might have a really good substitute for Lan.

If you guys want to see a greedy company look at EA.
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despite
Profile Joined June 2009
Bulgaria105 Posts
Last Edited: 2009-06-30 21:14:24
June 30 2009 21:10 GMT
#94
On July 01 2009 05:22 Zzoram wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 05:21 theqat wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:11 Idle wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:06 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:02 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On July 01 2009 04:25 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 03:55 HuskyTheHusky wrote:

Wow, Karune's response to those posts is absolutely disgusting. Everything he replies with is his personal way of liking to do things and saying that private servers fracture the community? Please. That's their way of saying 'we want everyone to pay for this game, anyone living in a poor country who cant afford it? too bad'.


He's right. If you can't afford it, that doesn't give you a right to STEAL it. This sense of entitlement is one of the worst things to come out of Internet culture.



I mostly meant that in regards to being able to afford high speed internet. The wording was rather poor I admit. Though I think most the points presented are valid


I cannot believe that there are hardcore online gamers in 1st world countries that do not have high speed Internet. These people simply do not exist. For 3rd world countries, even many of these have pretty high broardband penetration now. The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job.


Believe it or not, there is still a large portion of areas that do not get broadband, even in the US. Not every person that plays SC2 will be a hardcore gamer. There are plenty of people who played sc1 with their siblings / friends on 2 computers at home with no internet connection. There will be lots of people who would like to do the same for sc2.


There might be "lots" of people wanting to do that, but it will definitely be far, far fewer than in 1998. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/63/53/41551452.xls US broadband penetration has increased 129x

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news1999/oct99/news21020.html + http://www.internetworldstats.com/top25.htm overall web penetration has increased ~30%


I seriously doubt there are more than a few thousand farmers without broadband that are also itching for Starcraft 2. However, there are millions of Chinese that might buy Starcraft 2 if they can't play on Hoafang or VS.


Dude believe me when I tell you that blizzard can't make a "pirate" buy the game. Russians will crack it for LAN play quckly after release and make a better battle.net version 34.0 server and everything will be just fine.

I can't imagine blizzard sueing Russia, can you?
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
June 30 2009 21:16 GMT
#95
On July 01 2009 06:10 despite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 05:22 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:21 theqat wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:11 Idle wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:06 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:02 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On July 01 2009 04:25 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 03:55 HuskyTheHusky wrote:

Wow, Karune's response to those posts is absolutely disgusting. Everything he replies with is his personal way of liking to do things and saying that private servers fracture the community? Please. That's their way of saying 'we want everyone to pay for this game, anyone living in a poor country who cant afford it? too bad'.


He's right. If you can't afford it, that doesn't give you a right to STEAL it. This sense of entitlement is one of the worst things to come out of Internet culture.



I mostly meant that in regards to being able to afford high speed internet. The wording was rather poor I admit. Though I think most the points presented are valid


I cannot believe that there are hardcore online gamers in 1st world countries that do not have high speed Internet. These people simply do not exist. For 3rd world countries, even many of these have pretty high broardband penetration now. The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job.


Believe it or not, there is still a large portion of areas that do not get broadband, even in the US. Not every person that plays SC2 will be a hardcore gamer. There are plenty of people who played sc1 with their siblings / friends on 2 computers at home with no internet connection. There will be lots of people who would like to do the same for sc2.


There might be "lots" of people wanting to do that, but it will definitely be far, far fewer than in 1998. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/63/53/41551452.xls US broadband penetration has increased 129x

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news1999/oct99/news21020.html + http://www.internetworldstats.com/top25.htm overall web penetration has increased ~30%


I seriously doubt there are more than a few thousand farmers without broadband that are also itching for Starcraft 2. However, there are millions of Chinese that might buy Starcraft 2 if they can't play on Hoafang or VS.


Dude believe me when I tell you that blizzard can't make a "pirate" buy the game. Russians will crack it for LAN play quckly after release and make a better battle.net version 34.0 server and everything will be just fine.

I can't imagine blizzard sueing Russia, can you?


Corporations win lawsuits against governments all the time. And your statement is senseless anyways, because the Russian government isn't going to host pirate servers for Starcraft 2. Individuals and businesses might, and they can be shut down through legal action. They don't have to make all pirates buy the game, they can just be happy with stopping pirates from playing online.
Zzoram
Profile Joined February 2008
Canada7115 Posts
June 30 2009 21:17 GMT
#96
On July 01 2009 06:10 stroggos wrote:
Maximizing profit should always be the number 1 goal of a company(unless it means murder/injury/sickness), it benefits both the gaming industry and society. Blizzard isn't greedy either(at least in an evil greed sense), they happen to be very passionate in creating games, far more passionate than most other game companies imo. Blizzard spends a lot of time catering for both the hardcore and average gamer customer of theirs. No other company spends so much time trying to make the game important for the hardcore gamer. And no other company spends so much time working on the game after it is done.

Furthermore, saving games from piracy is a really good thing for us. If piracy was unstoppable there would be no games. I know blizzard would still make huge amounts of with lan support, but piracy needs to be eradicated.

Lastly, you don't even know all the features of Bnet2.0, so how can you make judgments? SC2 might have a really good substitute for Lan.

If you guys want to see a greedy company look at EA.


EA was really bad, but lately they've been pretty moderate. Activision is the new evil empire.
Eury
Profile Joined December 2008
Sweden1126 Posts
June 30 2009 21:17 GMT
#97
On July 01 2009 06:10 despite wrote:
Show nested quote +
On July 01 2009 05:22 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:21 theqat wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:11 Idle wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:06 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 05:02 HuskyTheHusky wrote:
On July 01 2009 04:25 Zzoram wrote:
On July 01 2009 03:55 HuskyTheHusky wrote:

Wow, Karune's response to those posts is absolutely disgusting. Everything he replies with is his personal way of liking to do things and saying that private servers fracture the community? Please. That's their way of saying 'we want everyone to pay for this game, anyone living in a poor country who cant afford it? too bad'.


He's right. If you can't afford it, that doesn't give you a right to STEAL it. This sense of entitlement is one of the worst things to come out of Internet culture.



I mostly meant that in regards to being able to afford high speed internet. The wording was rather poor I admit. Though I think most the points presented are valid


I cannot believe that there are hardcore online gamers in 1st world countries that do not have high speed Internet. These people simply do not exist. For 3rd world countries, even many of these have pretty high broardband penetration now. The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job.


Believe it or not, there is still a large portion of areas that do not get broadband, even in the US. Not every person that plays SC2 will be a hardcore gamer. There are plenty of people who played sc1 with their siblings / friends on 2 computers at home with no internet connection. There will be lots of people who would like to do the same for sc2.


There might be "lots" of people wanting to do that, but it will definitely be far, far fewer than in 1998. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/63/53/41551452.xls US broadband penetration has increased 129x

http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news1999/oct99/news21020.html + http://www.internetworldstats.com/top25.htm overall web penetration has increased ~30%


I seriously doubt there are more than a few thousand farmers without broadband that are also itching for Starcraft 2. However, there are millions of Chinese that might buy Starcraft 2 if they can't play on Hoafang or VS.


Dude believe me when I tell you that blizzard can't make a "pirate" buy the game. Russians will crack it for LAN play quckly after release and make a better battle.net version 34.0 server and everything will be just fine.

I can't imagine blizzard sueing Russia, can you?


Your whole post make no sense. I seriously doubt that Russian crackers will make a superior version of BattleNet in any time frame. If they were that skilled they would have high paying jobs in the industry, and being way too busy working.
stroggos
Profile Joined February 2009
New Zealand1543 Posts
June 30 2009 21:18 GMT
#98
On July 01 2009 05:59 Bebop Berserker wrote:
Holy shit I now know why they dropped it!

NonY, “What [Blizzard] really need[s] to avoid is the best players all just playing with each other on LAN or on something else off battle.net.”


lol, i doubt anything would be able to contend with Bnet 2.0.
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Sonu
Profile Blog Joined December 2008
Canada577 Posts
June 30 2009 21:22 GMT
#99
maybe internet will become MUCH cheaper. And the LAN parties will be played on Bnet. Like every computer is connected to the internet, and they all have a blast on bnet, but sitting right next to each other?
"I really like this wall-in, because its not a fucking wall" - DAy[9]
Substandard
Profile Joined October 2008
Italy270 Posts
June 30 2009 21:23 GMT
#100
Of course Blizzard is removing Lan-latency mainly for one reason only, to combat pirating and not as a community service. I can understand people being dissapointed because no matter how good b.net 2.0 will become there always are some situations were lan latency would be the better/only way to play.
The problem is there's a legal loophole which allows lan-servers to legally act as private B.nets without cd-key authentication.
Given that, it should come as no surprise that Blizzard simply chose to remove the feature. I really can't understand why people are calling Blizzard greedy for this. They simply want to get people to pay for their product as they should.
And the argument that some people in poor countries can't afford the game is of course invalid. Most of us can't afford everything we would like to have still that doesn't mean we have the right to steal it.
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