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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
A LAN at a friend's house will still be easy Internet access. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:03 Zzoram wrote: How many of you honestly don't have your computer connected to the Internet all the time? It's not a big deal, and it stops pirates from playing online, encouraging them to actually pay for things instead of stealing. A LAN at a friend's house will still be easy Internet access. 1) Have you ever ran a LAN party of 15+ people? 2) Have you ever lived in a college dorm? 3) Have you ever lived somewhere with unreliable internet with friends/family who game too? 4) Have you ever been to a 500+ person LAN party? | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:02 HuskyTheHusky wrote: I mostly meant that in regards to being able to afford high speed internet. The wording was rather poor I admit. Though I think most the points presented are valid  I cannot believe that there are hardcore online gamers in 1st world countries that do not have high speed Internet. These people simply do not exist. For 3rd world countries, even many of these have pretty high broardband penetration now. The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:05 HuskyTheHusky wrote: 1) Have you ever ran a LAN party of 15+ people? 2) Have you ever lived in a college dorm? 3) Have you ever lived somewhere with unreliable internet with friends/family who game too? 4) Have you ever been to a 500+ person LAN party? I've been to LAN parties of 15+ people, at University campuses, and most of them had Internet. The only one I went to without Internet was the Teamliquid Waterloo LAN, which was in a separate residence. The only reason Internet wasn't set up was because everyone was lazy. One guy had his computer on the Internet, but nobody bothered to connect the router everyone was using online. I have not been to a 500+ person LAN party, but Dreamhack has Internet now, so it's clearly possible. | ||
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BC.KoRn
Canada567 Posts
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Idle
Korea (South)124 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:06 Zzoram wrote: I cannot believe that there are hardcore online gamers in 1st world countries that do not have high speed Internet. These people simply do not exist. For 3rd world countries, even many of these have pretty high broardband penetration now. The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job. Believe it or not, there is still a large portion of areas that do not get broadband, even in the US. Not every person that plays SC2 will be a hardcore gamer. There are plenty of people who played sc1 with their siblings / friends on 2 computers at home with no internet connection. There will be lots of people who would like to do the same for sc2. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:09 BC.KoRn wrote: Damn chinese! Basically. If it wasn't for millions of Chinese pirates, they wouldn't care about the thousands of people who would exploit LAN. But millions is a lot more than thousands, and SOMEONE has to teach China to pay for things. | ||
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Husky
United States3362 Posts
The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job. lol... not even going to address further posts if you honestly think thats how the rest of the world outside North America works. We'll see what Blizzard says over the next couple days but its looking pretty grim. Hopefully it gets the attention it deserves. On July 01 2009 05:13 Zzoram wrote: Basically. If it wasn't for millions of Chinese pirates, they wouldn't care about the thousands of people who would exploit LAN. But millions is a lot more than thousands, and SOMEONE has to teach China to pay for things. wow... you really know nothing about foreign countries do you... | ||
Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
On July 01 2009 04:44 VIB wrote: That's so predictable, I was gonna add an answer to that but I thought it would make my post too long. Why do you think, in your opinion, that bnet1 didn't keep up in the first place? Since bnet1 didn't keep up with the hundreds of thousands of developers around the globe, what could possibly make you think that bnet2 would? Their word? The guy who is selling you a product told you their product is good just because they told you so? The SC Battle.net Ladder failed because of: - rampant maphacking - failed enforcement - win-trading - being limited to Fast game speed - imbalanced maps - a (generally) static map pool - drop-hacking - being limited to 1v1 or FFA battles - not being the default game mode (reduced participation/accessibility) - reduced incentive for continued participation (people who attained high ratings would stop playing) - no double-blind matchmaking - a grace period allowing people to back out of games after determining the opponent's race or strategy with no penalty Compare all those failures with the much-improved Ladder system in War3. Most, if not all, of those problems have been eliminated. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:13 HuskyTheHusky wrote: lol... not even going to address further posts if you honestly think thats how the rest of the world outside North America works. We'll see what Blizzard says over the next couple days but its looking pretty grim. Hopefully it gets the attention it deserves. wow... you really know nothing about foreign countries do you... What I was saying is that videos games are not a necessity, and if someone is too poor to afford to play them, then they shouldn't, and can spend their money on other things they need more, or can afford. I know that in China there is tons of piracy and no respect for intellectual property. Obviously some of these people are poorer and can't afford VIDEO GAMES, but it's hard to feel bad for people who can't afford LUXURY ITEMS and complain about it. | ||
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theqat
United States2856 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:11 Idle wrote: Believe it or not, there is still a large portion of areas that do not get broadband, even in the US. Not every person that plays SC2 will be a hardcore gamer. There are plenty of people who played sc1 with their siblings / friends on 2 computers at home with no internet connection. There will be lots of people who would like to do the same for sc2. There might be "lots" of people wanting to do that, but it will definitely be far, far fewer than in 1998. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/63/53/41551452.xls US broadband penetration has increased 129x http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news1999/oct99/news21020.html + http://www.internetworldstats.com/top25.htm overall web penetration has increased ~30% | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:21 theqat wrote: There might be "lots" of people wanting to do that, but it will definitely be far, far fewer than in 1998. http://www.oecd.org/dataoecd/63/53/41551452.xls US broadband penetration has increased 129x http://www.medialifemagazine.com/news1999/oct99/news21020.html + http://www.internetworldstats.com/top25.htm overall web penetration has increased ~30% I seriously doubt there are more than a few thousand farmers without broadband that are also itching for Starcraft 2. However, there are millions of Chinese that might buy Starcraft 2 if they can't play on Hoafang or VS. | ||
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Bebop Berserker
United States246 Posts
They make enough dirty money taking a graphically enhanced version of a computer simulated yeast infection and shoving it up peoples asses for $15 a month.(WoW for those who are stupid or uneducated) Having to have an internet connection to play is bullshit. Couldn't they have some kind of authenticator that you had to update like 1nce a month to play in a LAN? I hope Blizzcon has so many problems with their network and they fail @ presenting SC2. Just so they have to deal with their greedy shit like we have to. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2009 05:13 HuskyTheHusky wrote: Show nested quote + The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job. lol... not even going to address further posts if you honestly think thats how the rest of the world outside North America works. We'll see what Blizzard says over the next couple days but its looking pretty grim. Hopefully it gets the attention it deserves. Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 05:13 Zzoram wrote: On July 01 2009 05:09 BC.KoRn wrote: Damn chinese! Basically. If it wasn't for millions of Chinese pirates, they wouldn't care about the thousands of people who would exploit LAN. But millions is a lot more than thousands, and SOMEONE has to teach China to pay for things. wow... you really know nothing about foreign countries do you... What I was saying is that videos games are not a necessity, and if someone is too poor to afford to play them, then they shouldn't, and can spend their money on other things they need more, or can afford. I know that in China there is tons of piracy and no respect for intellectual property. Obviously some of these people are poorer and can't afford VIDEO GAMES, but it's hard to feel bad for people who can't afford LUXURY ITEMS and complain about it. Oh and lets take away your electricity and see if you don't bitch. Fucking hypocrite. | ||
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Geo.Rion
7377 Posts
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:23 Bebop Berserker wrote: Ummm taking out Lan support for people who bought the game isn't an answer to blizzard losing some fucking money. They make enough dirty money taking a graphically enhanced version of a computer simulated yeast infection and shoving it up peoples asses for $15 a month.(WoW for those who are stupid or uneducated) Having to have an internet connection to play is bullshit. Couldn't they have some kind of authenticator that you had to update like 1nce a month to play in a LAN? I hope Blizzcon has so many problems with their network and they fail @ presenting SC2. Just so they have to deal with their greedy shit like we have to. You may hate WoW, but 11.5million ACTIVE people are currently happy to pay money for it. Just because you don't like something, doesn't mean that other people don't think it's great and well worth the money. Unlike you, I hope Battle.net2 is awesome and Starcraft 2 is fun, because then I can enjoy it. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:23 Bebop Berserker wrote: Ummm taking out Lan support for people who bought the game isn't an answer to blizzard losing some fucking money. They make enough dirty money taking a graphically enhanced version of a computer simulated yeast infection and shoving it up peoples asses for $15 a month.(WoW for those who are stupid or uneducated) Having to have an internet connection to play is bullshit. Couldn't they have some kind of authenticator that you had to update like 1nce a month to play in a LAN? I hope Blizzcon has so many problems with their network and they fail @ presenting SC2. Just so they have to deal with their greedy shit like we have to. + Show Spoiler + On July 01 2009 05:13 HuskyTheHusky wrote: Show nested quote + The people who cannot afford broadband Internet should probably be spending their money on food and housing instead of buying computers and games anyways, at least until they get a better job. lol... not even going to address further posts if you honestly think thats how the rest of the world outside North America works. We'll see what Blizzard says over the next couple days but its looking pretty grim. Hopefully it gets the attention it deserves. Show nested quote + On July 01 2009 05:13 Zzoram wrote: On July 01 2009 05:09 BC.KoRn wrote: Damn chinese! Basically. If it wasn't for millions of Chinese pirates, they wouldn't care about the thousands of people who would exploit LAN. But millions is a lot more than thousands, and SOMEONE has to teach China to pay for things. wow... you really know nothing about foreign countries do you... What I was saying is that videos games are not a necessity, and if someone is too poor to afford to play them, then they shouldn't, and can spend their money on other things they need more, or can afford. I know that in China there is tons of piracy and no respect for intellectual property. Obviously some of these people are poorer and can't afford VIDEO GAMES, but it's hard to feel bad for people who can't afford LUXURY ITEMS and complain about it. Oh and lets take away your electricity and see if you don't bitch. Fucking hypocrite. So because I can afford electricity, poor people deserve to pirate online video games? Great logic. If someone is too poor to afford a video game or the Internet to play it, then they shouldn't play it. They have no right to playing the game for free just because they want it and don't have money, or don't want to spend money. | ||
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Bebop Berserker
United States246 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:32 Zzoram wrote: So because I can afford electricity, poor people deserve to get free online video games? Great logic. If someone is too poor to afford a video game or the Internet to play it, then they shouldn't play it. They have no right to playing the game for free just because they want it and don't have money, or don't want to spend money. Wow are you stupid?I said "you would bitch if you didn't have a certain luxury too. Stop complaining at people for something your not near perfect at." also yes i understand pirating is wrong, but punishing the people buying it ISNT THE ANSWER. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:35 Bebop Berserker wrote: Wow are you stupid?I said "you would bitch if you didn't have a certain luxury too. Stop complaining at people for something your not near perfect at." I don't bitch that I can't afford sports cars, or huge mansions. I can afford what I can afford. I just find it whiney that people who bitch about how they can't afford video games. Video games are not a right, they are a luxury item that should be low on the priority list on your budget. Electricity is high on the list, because you use it to cook food. Comparing electricity to video games in terms of importance is not a good comparison. | ||
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Excalibur_Z
United States12238 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:35 Bebop Berserker wrote: Wow are you stupid?I said "you would bitch if you didn't have a certain luxury too. Stop complaining at people for something your not near perfect at." also yes i understand pirating is wrong, but punishing the people buying it ISNT THE ANSWER. It's not a punishment if it's never offered in the first place. Blizzard can advertise free multiplayer, but they don't have to mention anything about LAN play. In terms of customer base, I'm sure a majority appreciate the opportunity to play "Free multiplayer via Battle.net" as advertised on the game box. | ||
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Zzoram
Canada7115 Posts
On July 01 2009 05:40 Excalibur_Z wrote: It's not a punishment if it's never offered in the first place. Blizzard can advertise free multiplayer, but they don't have to mention anything about LAN play. In terms of customer base, I'm sure a majority appreciate the opportunity to play "Free multiplayer via Battle.net" as advertised on the game box. It's not like you can't play with your friends anymore without LAN, you just have to do it somewhere you have Internet. A large group of PC gamers with gaming PCs that want to play a multiplayer game will find access to Internet. | ||
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