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Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here.
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Serral is no 1 but anyone can have any opinion
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On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here.
What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug-
Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through.
Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue.
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On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue.
I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1
Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most.
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On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most.
Maybe Artosis or Tasteless, but yea it's the overwhelming minority, Dark would also say the GOAT is Dark maybe 
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On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most.
It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting.
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On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting.
Maru it will be
There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again
Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well
But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3)
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On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3)
Can’t really take anything from you seriously, as anyone else would have been banned so many times because of constant balance whine.
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On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3)
I have no doubt there will be a split between those two. Maru himself might feel compelled to nominate Serral out of modesty (just because you can talk freely doesn't necessarily mean you go all egotrip gangsta). I'm sure pro players will use many of the exact same points we have in this debate, but the little details and how much they weigh them, etc... will be oh so interesting. I hope someone makes it happen !
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On March 16 2024 22:44 MyLovelyLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3) I have no doubt there will be a split between those two. Maru himself might feel compelled to nominate Serral out of modesty (just because you can talk freely doesn't necessarily mean you go all egotrip gangsta). I'm sure pro players will use many of the exact same points we have in this debate, but the little details and how much they weigh them, etc... will be oh so interesting. I hope someone makes it happen !
If there's a split it's going to be extremely lopsided in Serral's favor, it's crazy people don't see this, it's not foreigner bias that has people saying Serral is better, in betting sites Serral is the favourite for every (I think) tournament since 2018 Blizzcon, when people are voting with their wallets they tend to be a bit more reasonable.
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On March 16 2024 22:56 LostUsername100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:44 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3) I have no doubt there will be a split between those two. Maru himself might feel compelled to nominate Serral out of modesty (just because you can talk freely doesn't necessarily mean you go all egotrip gangsta). I'm sure pro players will use many of the exact same points we have in this debate, but the little details and how much they weigh them, etc... will be oh so interesting. I hope someone makes it happen ! If there's a split it's going to be extremely lopsided in Serral's favor, it's crazy people don't see this, it's not foreigner bias that has people saying Serral is better, in betting sites Serral is the favourite for every (I think) tournament since 2018 Blizzcon, when people are voting with their wallets they tend to be a bit more reasonable.
As a maths Ph.D. - or as a large language model, who knows - I don't really need to be explained that 0.85^3=61.4% chance for full-power Serral to win any top8 he enters (and he doesn't exactly drop out in groups now, does he). This is what's called risk-neutral odds, this is arguably overwhelming, and that's very different from saying Maru has had a longer career overall, was there at the time of Proleague, etc.
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On March 16 2024 23:02 MyLovelyLurker wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:56 LostUsername100 wrote:On March 16 2024 22:44 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3) I have no doubt there will be a split between those two. Maru himself might feel compelled to nominate Serral out of modesty (just because you can talk freely doesn't necessarily mean you go all egotrip gangsta). I'm sure pro players will use many of the exact same points we have in this debate, but the little details and how much they weigh them, etc... will be oh so interesting. I hope someone makes it happen ! If there's a split it's going to be extremely lopsided in Serral's favor, it's crazy people don't see this, it's not foreigner bias that has people saying Serral is better, in betting sites Serral is the favourite for every (I think) tournament since 2018 Blizzcon, when people are voting with their wallets they tend to be a bit more reasonable. As a maths Ph.D. - or as a large language model, who knows - I don't really need to be explained that 0.85^3=61.4% chance for full-power Serral to win any top8 he enters (and he doesn't exactly drop out in groups now, does he). This is what's called risk-neutral odds, this is arguably overwhelming, and that's very different from saying Maru has had a longer career overall, was there at the time of Proleague, etc.
I mean can you walk backwards from your math explanation and realize how much better he is than the rest of the scene.
You just made the argument why he's the best and the goat, he has kept this for half the game's age, while not even being born in the country with the most structure for this, can you imagine if Serral got into a team when he was 10?
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On March 16 2024 23:07 LostUsername100 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 23:02 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 22:56 LostUsername100 wrote:On March 16 2024 22:44 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3) I have no doubt there will be a split between those two. Maru himself might feel compelled to nominate Serral out of modesty (just because you can talk freely doesn't necessarily mean you go all egotrip gangsta). I'm sure pro players will use many of the exact same points we have in this debate, but the little details and how much they weigh them, etc... will be oh so interesting. I hope someone makes it happen ! If there's a split it's going to be extremely lopsided in Serral's favor, it's crazy people don't see this, it's not foreigner bias that has people saying Serral is better, in betting sites Serral is the favourite for every (I think) tournament since 2018 Blizzcon, when people are voting with their wallets they tend to be a bit more reasonable. As a maths Ph.D. - or as a large language model, who knows - I don't really need to be explained that 0.85^3=61.4% chance for full-power Serral to win any top8 he enters (and he doesn't exactly drop out in groups now, does he). This is what's called risk-neutral odds, this is arguably overwhelming, and that's very different from saying Maru has had a longer career overall, was there at the time of Proleague, etc. I mean can you walk backwards from your math explanation and realize how much better he is than the rest of the scene. You just made the argument why he's the best and the goat, he has kept this for half the game's age, while not even being born in the country with the most structure for this, can you imagine if Serral got into a team when he was 10?
(FWIW Serral is my GOAT with Maru my GCOAT - it's cool and not mutually exclusive)
Then he might've reached 90% winrate and - let's face it - SC2 would've been significantly more boring to watch 
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On March 16 2024 22:25 HeroSandro wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3) Can’t really take anything from you seriously, as anyone else would have been banned so many times because of constant balance whine.
You have no reply to their argument so you attack their character. Maru has carried Terran on his shoulders unlike any other player for any other race.
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On March 16 2024 23:36 Pentarp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:25 HeroSandro wrote:On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3) Can’t really take anything from you seriously, as anyone else would have been banned so many times because of constant balance whine. You have no reply to their argument so you attack their character. Maru has carried Terran on his shoulders unlike any other player for any other race.
I do value Serral’s achievements more, but my comment was about the constant balance whine he gets away with all the time. A case in point is the comment i replied to. Zerg is op and terran is the worst race part 4589.
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On March 16 2024 23:36 Pentarp wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 22:25 HeroSandro wrote:On March 16 2024 22:22 Poopi wrote:On March 16 2024 22:20 MyLovelyLurker wrote:On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. It'll be super interesting and entertaining perhaps 10 years from now, whene everyone's retired, has kids, and might be pushing 40, to interview Maru, Rogue etc, all the top Koreans, and ask them who they thought the GOAT was. No more pretense or bluster, just pure no BS, straight up fact-spitting. Maru it will be There has been no other human to reach such a high skill multiple times, carrying the hopes of an entire race on his shoulders over and over again Winning 4 GSL code S in a row in a decently competitive era as well But sure, winning 3 WC as a Zerg is cool too. Two players managed to do it (one in a stronger era though, weird that he is only #3) Can’t really take anything from you seriously, as anyone else would have been banned so many times because of constant balance whine. You have no reply to their argument so you attack their character. Maru has carried Terran on his shoulders unlike any other player for any other race.
So? Serral has been carrying the foreigners against the entirety of Koreans like no other players. the supposed "Zerg OP" period last few years is nothing compared to Korean's total domination over Starcraft in the two decades before 2018.
You don't want GOAT discussion to detach from quantifiable statistics and achievements and comes down to narratives, because Serral has better historic narratives than anyone.
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hate to say this being a terran player and a maru fan boy but serral should be 1, cuz numbers dont lie.
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korean bias teamliquid.
GSL is a 2nd tier tournament. and its xxx times a year.
it is WAY overvalued.
we don't have 2013.
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On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most.
Artosis has said he doesn't consider Serral the goat (and he also things Zerg was OP during a sizable portion of the last 5ish years). Though he still thinks Rogue is. I don't know if he's ever made his opinion on it clear but I get a similar vibe from some of uthermals comments.
Most other casters made their extreme bias clear anyways when they started calling Serral the goat in 2019/2020. Serral may be the goat now, I certainly think if you just look at his trophies/winrates with no context (scene weakening, low sample size vs Koreans at their peak, state of Zerg, region lock) he is the goat but he was not in 2020. He wasn't even a top 5 goat candidate but every caster besides Tastosis was already calling him that.
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On March 17 2024 01:14 JJH777 wrote:Show nested quote +On March 16 2024 19:20 Comedy wrote:On March 16 2024 18:47 Perceivere wrote:On March 16 2024 18:29 TequilaMockingbird wrote:
Wait what happened ? I am utterly confused and feel like we are being trolled here. What happened was a somewhat prominent figure within the SC2 scene has an opinion. -shrug- Honestly, if any one of the casters, or top20 pros, were to do a write up or video of their top10 or top3 picks, I would give them much more of my attention. No dis to Miz. I just have never heard of him, until this top10 GOAT series of articles. I've only ever read Waxangel's articles, and even then with a lot of skimming-through. Everyone is allowed their own opinion, and no one's opinion is more official than another. I'd say, Miz has his own rationale and criteria, and everyone else has theirs. In my eyes, Serral is the bonafide GOAT, and it's actually not even close. Maru is a distant 2nd, followed closely by Rogue. I can't think of a single caster or progamer that wouldnt put serral #1 Progamers have been putting serral #1 for ages. probably before he actually deserved it, accolade wise. But that says it all really. The opinion of your peers means the most. Artosis has said he doesn't consider Serral the goat (and he also things Zerg was OP during a sizable portion of the last 5ish years). Though he still thinks Rogue is. I don't know if he's ever made his opinion on it clear but I get a similar vibe from some of uthermals comments. Most other casters made their extreme bias clear anyways when they started calling Serral the goat in 2019/2020. Serral may be the goat now, I certainly think if you just look at his trophies/winrates with no context (scene weakening, low sample size vs Koreans at their peak, state of Zerg, region lock) he is the goat but he was not in 2020. He wasn't even a top 5 goat candidate but every caster besides Tastosis was already calling him that.
Rogue being the GOAT is an outright silly opinion
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