EPTShould esports ban Russian teams/players? - Page 7
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Zealgoon
China187 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1069 Posts
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AssyrianKing
Australia2116 Posts
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WombaT
Northern Ireland26505 Posts
On March 06 2022 21:23 AssyrianKing wrote: This is actually just borderline Russophobic. The USA put the Middle East through living hell and nobody bats an eye Does nobody bat an eye? The momentum on this is such that Russia is getting the sanction hammer. I’m as impressed by the actions of states and indeed corporations and individuals on this issue as much as I’m disappointed in the lack of meaningful blowback for an Iraq, or for the actions of Saudi Arabia, or Israel, or whoever else. In the best of worlds this form of pressure is consistently applied and there is less senseless bloodshed and oppression the world over. We are sadly not in the best of worlds, but not in the worst either whereupon no force or pressure is ever exerted to minimise conflict, because it would be inconsistent. Whatever does impact everyday Russian people is hopefully as short term as possible, and easily reversible come the cessation of hostilities. One thing that won’t be easily reversible is the freezing or seizing of assets from oligarchs, assets that let’s be real in many cases weren’t exactly obtained ethically, and at times at the expense of the average Russian. | ||
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Jockmcplop
United Kingdom9798 Posts
On March 06 2022 21:23 AssyrianKing wrote: This is actually just borderline Russophobic. The USA put the Middle East through living hell and nobody bats an eye Roughly 1 million people attended what is still the largest protest in UK history after we announced we were joining the war. | ||
Nakajin
Canada8989 Posts
On March 06 2022 21:23 AssyrianKing wrote: This is actually just borderline Russophobic. The USA put the Middle East through living hell and nobody bats an eye Yea, but the worst problem is clearly the latter, I don't think "we should be more acceptable of war of invasion and various "war crime" to be fair" is a very good solution. Maybe sanction or isolation of Russia isn't the solution to avoid more death, and it's of course not devoid of less than charitable geopolitical thinking, but doing nothing when a country try to annex another isn't a an appealing solution. I don't necessarely think that we never batted an eye at our own war crime either, I for one remember monster protest against the war in Iraq that worked for most of the US ally. Clearly it wasn't enough, but we'll just have to try harder next time. On another note, I am kind of affraid the West is getting too involved in sanction against Russia and arming Ukraine, at some point sooner than latter there's gonna have to be a negociated response to this thing if we want to avoid a total colapse of the country. I feel like some of Nato members would be happy to see Russia stuck in an endless war on its border. (By the way, this is very much armchair "political expert" talk, by my part) | ||
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AaronSWAT
Taiwan23 Posts
On March 06 2022 00:21 emperorofwild wrote: The most significant thing of esports is less natioal factors. WESG and Nation War has national representives，except these two SC2 players just represents themselve. So I support ESL do nothing about it. CHINA and TW, I think you should vote a govement that dare to admit TW is a real country first. Before this its not country, no invation, officially. As Chinese I can live without games, thats OK. all these ban RUSSIAN things showed social medias make people more extrem，west is a free speech world，but on social media people can not be neutral or even can not have their idea reserved. CHina is well known as censorship totalism，but here we know if you have a tw collegue，or bussiness partner，you do not talk about these things， we give each other rights to reserve political ideas，and make works going on well. Regarding this statement from the post: "CHINA and TW, I think you should vote a govement that dare to admit TW is a real country first. Before this its not country, no invation, officially. As Chinese I can live without games, thats OK." I want to point out that: Taiwan is a country in every way, EXCEPT THAT The Chinese goverment (PRC) forces/ bullies/ threatens every other country to say no. Explaning below. (and anyone can just easily Google/ wiki/ whatever do your research to see the current status of China and Taiwan, and the 20th history regarding these two.) (A) Taiwan is a country, and its official name is ROC: It has its own goverment, army, territory (which has NEVER been touched/ goverened/ occupied by the goverment or army of the current Chinese goverment, PRC). It has its own currency, its own law. It does not pay tax to China. And, ANY Chinese citizen who wishes to visit Taiwan needs to go through the same Visa application process just as ANY other countries in the world. (B) The Chinese goverment (PRC) forces/bullies/threatens every other country to say no: Currently, almost NO countries in the world would SAY that Taiwan is an independent country. Because bascially Chinese goverment (PRC) would just go like this: "We will not trade with you if you don't agree that Taiwan is a part of China." And since almost every country wants a share of the Chinese market (looking at Disney and Blizzard), they wouldn't argue. For example, if you're some Europeon country, why would you antagonize Chinese goverment and lose the opportunity to trade with China, JUST to support a small island country Taiwan? So, although there has been ZERO soldier of PRC's army that ever set foot on Taiwan (since the KMT party retreated to Taiwan and continued the ROC goverment in 1949), and PRC has never had ANY countrol over ANY part of Taiwan (ROC)'s current territory, but PRC just keeps claiming that "Taiwan is a part of us and is not an independent country", and "look look, almost all other countries agree (or do not disagree) with me. Again, anyone can just do some quick research (10mins would be enough) on the current status, and the 20th to 21th century history regarding China and Taiwan, and they'll see what's going on. It's not that complicated. And yes, I know this thread was about Russia / Ukraine situation, and about if esport / Starcraft has to be involved with politics. But I just need to correct the outright statement. | ||
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AaronSWAT
Taiwan23 Posts
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outscar
2832 Posts
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samloki
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There is no nationality in sports. We talk about the Olympic spirit every day. Do you think competition is the Olympic spirit? | ||
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dbRic1203
Germany2655 Posts
On March 06 2022 22:47 samloki wrote: I don't think it should There is no nationality in sports. We talk about the Olympic spirit every day. Do you think competition is the Olympic spirit? There is no nationality in Sport? Have you ever heared about the term NATIONAL TEAM before? Pretty much every Nation in existance is trying to boost its international Image by doing exceptional in some Sport. I just saw a Report about a high bar competition, where a Ukrainian got 1st and a russian got 3rd Who got the "Z" that is marke on russian tanks in his Jersey. Where is that not political? E.: source: https://www.insidethegames.biz/articles/1120122/kovtun-gymnastics-world-cup-in-doha | ||
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aringadingding
480 Posts
Secondly - I think the russians prefer sanction and to have a tough instead of having everything escalating to a a full war with the "rest of the world", i think the most of the world prefers that. Third - Even though i feel sorry for the russians that do not want this war and will suffer from the sanction i feel MUCH more for the ones who dies and and is forced to feel from their homes in Ukraine. The sanction are the best that can be done in this horrible situation Russia has created. To not do anything would ofc be insane. | ||
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Pandain
United States12989 Posts
And context is important - there's like 2-3 major Russian players who by definition are probably just indoor gamers. Not like a national basketball league who have tens of thousands of viewers or hundreds of individuals involved. And if you are okay banning Russians I hope you are also, right at this moment, also okay with banning Chinese due to the genocide China is doing to the Uighur. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
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honorablemacroterran
188 Posts
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r00ty
Germany1069 Posts
On March 07 2022 04:39 honorablemacroterran wrote: I think we should all take a beat on sanctioning Russia before we end up in a nuclear war. This liberal crusade is just escalating the situation and making it more dangerous. I don't think advocates for escalation realize that Putin isn't going to just let himself be overthrown and he has the largest nuclear arsenal in the world. The more effective sanctions are, the more dangerous this situation actually becomes. Liberal crusade? Fascinating, please tell me more. Should we bow down to our new nuclear overlord? | ||
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honorablemacroterran
188 Posts
On March 07 2022 04:45 r00ty wrote: Liberal crusade? Fascinating, please tell me more. Should we bow down to our new nuclear overlord? When Russia says they feel they are existentially threatened and the EU and Washington establishments just repeatedly ignore it and start talking about openly overthrowing their government, I start getting worried that they will feel threatened enough to use the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet. | ||
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MarianoSC2
Slovakia1855 Posts
On March 07 2022 04:51 honorablemacroterran wrote: When Russia says they feel they are existentially threatened and the EU and Washington establishments just repeatedly ignore it and start talking about openly overthrowing their government, I start getting worried that they will feel threatened enough to use the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet. So let them, better to have this over with than bow down to aggressive nacists and freedom takers. I hope the west does everything humanly possible not only to humiliate Russia (does not take much, their actions and military humiliate themselves more and more every day) but to really take their whole nation down to the ground economically, and if needed militarily as well. Hopefully someone from within takes down Putler before the conflict escalates to all-out war, but if not its still a better option than to live next to crazy blood thirsty dictators with shaky fingers on a nuclear trigger and live in fear and despair of what kind of craziness happens next. | ||
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r00ty
Germany1069 Posts
On March 07 2022 04:51 honorablemacroterran wrote: When Russia says they feel they are existentially threatened and the EU and Washington establishments just repeatedly ignore it and start talking about openly overthrowing their government, I start getting worried that they will feel threatened enough to use the largest nuclear arsenal on the planet. How were they existentially threatened before this? They aren't even now and if, only because of Putins choosing. Business relationships were increasing, we tried and even became semi-dependent. Where did the money go? Certain people bagged it. Just get the fuck out of Ukraine, a country which voted 92% in favor of independence, with majorities even in Crimea and the Donbass. | ||
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DERASTAT
Germany99 Posts
Discriminating players because of there origin is just xenophobic. We can make statements during events without banning individuals, that had was born in a certian place on earth. (bannig russian starcraft players dont help the ukrainian people or has an impact on the war) | ||
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