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ToT)OjKa(
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Korea (South)2437 Posts
June 04 2007 00:55 GMT
#81
CnC3 has both automatch and the ability to create a ranked game manually...probably be the same for SC2
OjKa OjKa OjKa!
NotSorry
Profile Blog Joined October 2002
United States6722 Posts
June 04 2007 01:24 GMT
#82
Kind of perfer it for ladder games, as long as the normal SC style stays around for nonladder. Also online replays is a must.
We have now sunk to a depth at which restatement of the obvious is the first duty of intelligent men. - Orwell
lololol
Profile Joined February 2006
5198 Posts
June 04 2007 01:30 GMT
#83
On June 04 2007 04:49 Heen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2007 04:20 Dendra wrote:
also wc3 has "brilliant" ladder system, i lost 5games in row cuz my conn broke in 1st 4sec - ofc that's a loss. and the mappool just sux, you end up playing on some ufo-style map which the other guy ofc knows and wins only because he knew about some hidden spot where a monster drops infernal-doh.

in sc we make the mappool, it's up to us who we play against and it's up to us to create all the useful utilites for sc since blizzard obviusly can't and never did anything useful besides fixing 1patch/year. if we didn't have bwprogrammers.com sc would be (maybe) dead long ago.

You need to be banned for pure stupidity. I don't care how much heart this guy has, because this is crossing the line


Banning people for posting the truth is typical around here, so he'll be banned for sure, don't worry!
I'll call Nada.
Pads
Profile Blog Joined January 2007
England3228 Posts
June 04 2007 01:39 GMT
#84
I think it would be better if you want to massgame at a certain level, but at the same time i still wanna play with friends. i've never played war3 but I think matchmaking lone would be a bit shit. mix both ftw.
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lamarine
Profile Joined January 2003
592 Posts
June 04 2007 02:12 GMT
#85
if u want to play just a game with a friend - play usual game
if u want to play ladder - then random matchmaking... that's all and there's nothing to argue about...
So... BW is back
Liquid`Drone
Profile Joined September 2002
Norway28929 Posts
June 04 2007 03:09 GMT
#86
option for AMM is absolutely great
option for manual match making is absolutely necessary. if I could choose only one of the two, I'd pick only manual for sure. but having both is totally sweet, and I don't see any reason why it should not be that way, other than possibility of abuse, but nobody who actually gets anywhere on the ladder will be able to abuse undetected anyway, and if some 14 year old abuses 10 games and brags to some other 14 year old friends of his about being top 500 then I honestly don't really see what the big deal is; it would definitely be much less of a big deal than the option for manual matchmaking being removed.
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Profile Blog Joined May 2003
24492 Posts
June 04 2007 03:45 GMT
#87
its only great if it works quickly
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5472 Posts
June 04 2007 04:10 GMT
#88
On June 04 2007 10:30 lololol wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2007 04:49 Heen wrote:
On June 04 2007 04:20 Dendra wrote:
also wc3 has "brilliant" ladder system, i lost 5games in row cuz my conn broke in 1st 4sec - ofc that's a loss. and the mappool just sux, you end up playing on some ufo-style map which the other guy ofc knows and wins only because he knew about some hidden spot where a monster drops infernal-doh.

in sc we make the mappool, it's up to us who we play against and it's up to us to create all the useful utilites for sc since blizzard obviusly can't and never did anything useful besides fixing 1patch/year. if we didn't have bwprogrammers.com sc would be (maybe) dead long ago.

You need to be banned for pure stupidity. I don't care how much heart this guy has, because this is crossing the line


Banning people for posting the truth is typical around here, so he'll be banned for sure, don't worry!


No not really. I've probably played about 2000 ladder games on War3's AMM and have been disconnected maybe 5 times ever, maybe he needs a better connection? And you don't know the maps? Boo fucking hoo, learn them you idiot, there's only like 8 or so... how hard is it to learn 8 maps?

QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32165 Posts
June 04 2007 04:40 GMT
#89
I don't see why we can't have both? If people want to be 1-mu ladder abusing 'gosus', fuck them. Let them do it, because it will be reflected on their stats. AMM means I don't have to deal with all the fucktards like there are in X17, where you have to spam faster than everyone talking. Having both means I can still practice certain mu's if I want.
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Dendra
Profile Joined July 2006
Croatia801 Posts
June 04 2007 04:46 GMT
#90
On June 04 2007 13:10 SoleSteeler wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2007 10:30 lololol wrote:
On June 04 2007 04:49 Heen wrote:
On June 04 2007 04:20 Dendra wrote:
also wc3 has "brilliant" ladder system, i lost 5games in row cuz my conn broke in 1st 4sec - ofc that's a loss. and the mappool just sux, you end up playing on some ufo-style map which the other guy ofc knows and wins only because he knew about some hidden spot where a monster drops infernal-doh.

in sc we make the mappool, it's up to us who we play against and it's up to us to create all the useful utilites for sc since blizzard obviusly can't and never did anything useful besides fixing 1patch/year. if we didn't have bwprogrammers.com sc would be (maybe) dead long ago.

You need to be banned for pure stupidity. I don't care how much heart this guy has, because this is crossing the line


Banning people for posting the truth is typical around here, so he'll be banned for sure, don't worry!


No not really. I've probably played about 2000 ladder games on War3's AMM and have been disconnected maybe 5 times ever, maybe he needs a better connection? And you don't know the maps? Boo fucking hoo, learn them you idiot, there's only like 8 or so... how hard is it to learn 8 maps?


the point is wc3 ladder counts a 0.000000001sec long game as a loss which is absolutely ridiculous.
maps - they keep adding&removing maps+i'm not into wc3 so much i'll go and learn some chobo 6player map and analyse what every critter drops.

think best time for a draw would be like 1:30 or so since you can do manner gas/pylon or something like that below 2min and people alt-q-q, kinda lame. that was especially on paranoid androide.
Believing isnt seeing.Seeing is believing,but may not be reality.
QuanticHawk
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
United States32165 Posts
June 04 2007 04:50 GMT
#91
On June 04 2007 13:46 Dendra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2007 13:10 SoleSteeler wrote:
On June 04 2007 10:30 lololol wrote:
On June 04 2007 04:49 Heen wrote:
On June 04 2007 04:20 Dendra wrote:
also wc3 has "brilliant" ladder system, i lost 5games in row cuz my conn broke in 1st 4sec - ofc that's a loss. and the mappool just sux, you end up playing on some ufo-style map which the other guy ofc knows and wins only because he knew about some hidden spot where a monster drops infernal-doh.

in sc we make the mappool, it's up to us who we play against and it's up to us to create all the useful utilites for sc since blizzard obviusly can't and never did anything useful besides fixing 1patch/year. if we didn't have bwprogrammers.com sc would be (maybe) dead long ago.

You need to be banned for pure stupidity. I don't care how much heart this guy has, because this is crossing the line


Banning people for posting the truth is typical around here, so he'll be banned for sure, don't worry!


No not really. I've probably played about 2000 ladder games on War3's AMM and have been disconnected maybe 5 times ever, maybe he needs a better connection? And you don't know the maps? Boo fucking hoo, learn them you idiot, there's only like 8 or so... how hard is it to learn 8 maps?


the point is wc3 ladder counts a 0.000000001sec long game as a loss which is absolutely ridiculous.
maps - they keep adding&removing maps+i'm not into wc3 so much i'll go and learn some chobo 6player map and analyse what every critter drops.

think best time for a draw would be like 1:30 or so since you can do manner gas/pylon or something like that below 2min and people alt-q-q, kinda lame. that was especially on paranoid androide.


They could probably have ladder admins review games like this. That was the stupidest shit, people used to do that all the time on PGT. I really hope this gets fixed.
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{CC}StealthBlue
Profile Blog Joined January 2003
United States41117 Posts
June 04 2007 05:04 GMT
#92
How in the world could anyone like the AMM WC3 uses, maybe before the "update" then it just became terrible. Rank 5's taking on Rank 40's, and all it rewarded was mass gaming since it compared the win/loss ratios of certain set patterns.

Hopefully SC2 will still implement the tie system, if u drop it counts as a tie, but hopefully more complicated than that.
"Smokey, this is not 'Nam, this is bowling. There are rules."
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 04 2007 06:14 GMT
#93
Dendra, you listed a bunch of problems that are totally unrelated to the ladder system.

You lost 5 games in a row? That's most likely your problem alone. Even if it were BNet lagging at the time, it has nothing to do with the ladder system which is the discussion at hand.

The map pool sucks, really? Most people have been content with it from what I've seen. Again, this has more to do with person preferences than with the ladder system.

Then you complain about someone winning because he knows where to creep. Boo hoo. That's a big part of the game. Your dislike of WC3 holds no grounds for bashing its 'brilliant' ladder system.

The problem with BW ladder is that it's a 10-year-old game, not that Blizzard is stupid. I'll take a guess and say that the reason that Blizzard hasn't changed the BW ladder is because they can't or it'll take too much effort.

You need to make logical arguments that somehow contribute to the discussion.
('''(G_G/'''')
Wizard
Profile Blog Joined May 2007
Poland5055 Posts
June 04 2007 06:16 GMT
#94
We're going to have both for sure, BUT, if I had to choose one it would of course be manual.
sAviOr[gm] ~ want to watch good replays? read my blog: http://www.teamliquid.net/blog/wizard
SoleSteeler
Profile Joined April 2003
Canada5472 Posts
June 04 2007 07:09 GMT
#95
If you disconnect you should always get a loss. Less room for abuse that way.
Dendra
Profile Joined July 2006
Croatia801 Posts
June 04 2007 08:41 GMT
#96
On June 04 2007 15:14 Heen wrote:
Dendra, you listed a bunch of problems that are totally unrelated to the ladder system.

You lost 5 games in a row? That's most likely your problem alone. Even if it were BNet lagging at the time, it has nothing to do with the ladder system which is the discussion at hand.

The map pool sucks, really? Most people have been content with it from what I've seen. Again, this has more to do with person preferences than with the ladder system.

Then you complain about someone winning because he knows where to creep. Boo hoo. That's a big part of the game. Your dislike of WC3 holds no grounds for bashing its 'brilliant' ladder system.

The problem with BW ladder is that it's a 10-year-old game, not that Blizzard is stupid. I'll take a guess and say that the reason that Blizzard hasn't changed the BW ladder is because they can't or it'll take too much effort.

You need to make logical arguments that somehow contribute to the discussion.

you didn't read my post, did you?
counting a 1sec game in wc3 as a win/loss is not logical, you keep mentioning 5losses in a row, who cares if it was 1, or if it was 5 wins in a row, fact is 1sec game is not what we would call a ladder game in sc.

as for the 2nd - don't take guesses. the issue i mentioned is well-known to the community and should be solved like mentioned - with the help of an admin.

Next time you decide to comment something read it carefully.
Believing isnt seeing.Seeing is believing,but may not be reality.
gravity
Profile Joined March 2004
Australia2330 Posts
June 04 2007 08:50 GMT
#97
On June 04 2007 13:46 Dendra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2007 13:10 SoleSteeler wrote:
On June 04 2007 10:30 lololol wrote:
On June 04 2007 04:49 Heen wrote:
On June 04 2007 04:20 Dendra wrote:
also wc3 has "brilliant" ladder system, i lost 5games in row cuz my conn broke in 1st 4sec - ofc that's a loss. and the mappool just sux, you end up playing on some ufo-style map which the other guy ofc knows and wins only because he knew about some hidden spot where a monster drops infernal-doh.

in sc we make the mappool, it's up to us who we play against and it's up to us to create all the useful utilites for sc since blizzard obviusly can't and never did anything useful besides fixing 1patch/year. if we didn't have bwprogrammers.com sc would be (maybe) dead long ago.

You need to be banned for pure stupidity. I don't care how much heart this guy has, because this is crossing the line


Banning people for posting the truth is typical around here, so he'll be banned for sure, don't worry!


No not really. I've probably played about 2000 ladder games on War3's AMM and have been disconnected maybe 5 times ever, maybe he needs a better connection? And you don't know the maps? Boo fucking hoo, learn them you idiot, there's only like 8 or so... how hard is it to learn 8 maps?


the point is wc3 ladder counts a 0.000000001sec long game as a loss which is absolutely ridiculous.

It has to be that way to stop people race/map-picking by quitting when they get ones they don't like.
Furthermore, tournaments should use matchup-specific maps
Heen
Profile Blog Joined November 2003
Korea (South)2178 Posts
June 04 2007 09:11 GMT
#98
On June 04 2007 17:41 Dendra wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2007 15:14 Heen wrote:
Dendra, you listed a bunch of problems that are totally unrelated to the ladder system.

You lost 5 games in a row? That's most likely your problem alone. Even if it were BNet lagging at the time, it has nothing to do with the ladder system which is the discussion at hand.

The map pool sucks, really? Most people have been content with it from what I've seen. Again, this has more to do with person preferences than with the ladder system.

Then you complain about someone winning because he knows where to creep. Boo hoo. That's a big part of the game. Your dislike of WC3 holds no grounds for bashing its 'brilliant' ladder system.

The problem with BW ladder is that it's a 10-year-old game, not that Blizzard is stupid. I'll take a guess and say that the reason that Blizzard hasn't changed the BW ladder is because they can't or it'll take too much effort.

You need to make logical arguments that somehow contribute to the discussion.

you didn't read my post, did you?
counting a 1sec game in wc3 as a win/loss is not logical, you keep mentioning 5losses in a row, who cares if it was 1, or if it was 5 wins in a row, fact is 1sec game is not what we would call a ladder game in sc.

as for the 2nd - don't take guesses. the issue i mentioned is well-known to the community and should be solved like mentioned - with the help of an admin.

Next time you decide to comment something read it carefully.

You're the one lacking reading comprehension skills.

Counting a 1 sec game as a win/loss is illogical? Says who? Only you apparently. It may be a different case in BW where the games are found by hand, but in AMM, of course all disconnects/early quits should be counted as losses. If not, then every time I got matchuped against someone really good or a matchup that I suck at, I could quit for a 100% loss prevention. It would be as gay as someone who just left the game early on because he messed up his BO or scouted 2 gate. Deal with it.

As for the 2nd part, you can't just make all the changes you want with patches. Blizzard introduced right-click rallying from WC3 to BW. However, Blizzard can't one day decide to implement the same ladder system as WC3 into BW.
('''(G_G/'''')
Dendra
Profile Joined July 2006
Croatia801 Posts
Last Edited: 2007-06-04 11:36:50
June 04 2007 11:35 GMT
#99
On June 04 2007 18:11 Heen wrote:
Show nested quote +
On June 04 2007 17:41 Dendra wrote:
On June 04 2007 15:14 Heen wrote:
Dendra, you listed a bunch of problems that are totally unrelated to the ladder system.

You lost 5 games in a row? That's most likely your problem alone. Even if it were BNet lagging at the time, it has nothing to do with the ladder system which is the discussion at hand.

The map pool sucks, really? Most people have been content with it from what I've seen. Again, this has more to do with person preferences than with the ladder system.

Then you complain about someone winning because he knows where to creep. Boo hoo. That's a big part of the game. Your dislike of WC3 holds no grounds for bashing its 'brilliant' ladder system.

The problem with BW ladder is that it's a 10-year-old game, not that Blizzard is stupid. I'll take a guess and say that the reason that Blizzard hasn't changed the BW ladder is because they can't or it'll take too much effort.

You need to make logical arguments that somehow contribute to the discussion.

you didn't read my post, did you?
counting a 1sec game in wc3 as a win/loss is not logical, you keep mentioning 5losses in a row, who cares if it was 1, or if it was 5 wins in a row, fact is 1sec game is not what we would call a ladder game in sc.

as for the 2nd - don't take guesses. the issue i mentioned is well-known to the community and should be solved like mentioned - with the help of an admin.

Next time you decide to comment something read it carefully.

You're the one lacking reading comprehension skills.

Counting a 1 sec game as a win/loss is illogical? Says who? Only you apparently. It may be a different case in BW where the games are found by hand, but in AMM, of course all disconnects/early quits should be counted as losses. If not, then every time I got matchuped against someone really good or a matchup that I suck at, I could quit for a 100% loss prevention. It would be as gay as someone who just left the game early on because he messed up his BO or scouted 2 gate. Deal with it.

As for the 2nd part, you can't just make all the changes you want with patches. Blizzard introduced right-click rallying from WC3 to BW. However, Blizzard can't one day decide to implement the same ladder system as WC3 into BW.

sure you could abuse leaving the game just like you can do it in sc, it just means amm would require alot of adjustements and this 1sec victory thing would be a big issue.

just for the record - the most idiotic thing ever to be implemented in sc is the right click rally point, that has become like the only command in game with two hotkeys...i don't see siege tank mode hotkey on letters S and T for example - to avoid confusion. in my games it happend millions of times that one of my 10+ gates suddenly has a rally point on x point on the map - thx to the right click thing.i still use good old r+left click, call it a habit. every time blizzard starts adding things from wc3 they should make it as Optional.
Believing isnt seeing.Seeing is believing,but may not be reality.
milly9
Profile Joined May 2007
Canada325 Posts
June 04 2007 12:08 GMT
#100
giveitamplzz: war3 mp's ui is
giveitamplzz: blizzard biggest mistake
giveitamplzz: theyve ever made
giveitamplzz: i dont know what they fuck they were thinking
Zuhhhgling: im sure it sounded cool when they came up with it
Zuhhhgling: but i mean
Zuhhhgling: they shouldve realized instantly after trying it out
then i stick my treasures in a treehole
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